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1.8 Million US Court Rulings Now Online
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from the star-wars-kid-v.-lol-cats dept.
I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "For a long time now, lawyers and any serious law students have been bound to paid services like LexusNexis for access to case law, but that is slowly changing. Carl Malamud has posted free electronic copies of every U.S. Supreme Court decision and Court of Appeals ruling since 1950, 1.8 million rulings in all, online for free. While the rulings themselves have long been government works not subject to copyright, courts still charge several cents per page for copies and they're inconvenient to access, so lawyers usually turn to legal publishers which are more expensive but more convenient, providing helpful things like notes about related cases, summaries of the holdings, and information about if and when the case was overturned. This free database is not Carl's first, either. He convinced the SEC to provide EDGAR, and helped get both the Smithsonian and Congressional hearings online."
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And the response... (Score:5, Informative)
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/letter_to_west_response.pdf [resource.org]
Seems a pretty reasonable response to his initial query:
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/letter_to_west.pdf [resource.org]
Thus, Thomson is justified in asserting copyright on materials which represent unique, original, or significant contributions to the content, and does not assert any copyright whatever on material which is in the public domain.
And if this work helps provide greater access information which is already publicly, but not easily, available, then it's a Good Thing.
But Westlaw and LexisNexis do a lot more than just make case law available online. There is a lot of editorial work, summarizing, organization, not to mention costs often imposed by the courts themselves, and Carl Malamud correctly acknowledges that.
So.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So.... (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:So.... (Score:4, Informative)
With Westlaw (and Lexis as well), every case has a little symbol in the top left corner. If it is green, it is probably good law. If it is red, then the case is no longer good for at least one point of law. Considering the amount of time that this feature saves, it is well worth the $120 a month that I pay to another law firm to use one of their Westlaw passwords. In fact, if I were to deal directly with West, I would pay at least $200 a month and they would lock me in to a 12 month contract. Other lawyers gladly sign up.
When you think about how much energy it takes to categorize and flag every single case that comes out and cross-reference it with a semi-subjective interpretation of how it treats all the cases that it cites, and to categorize every single paragraph in a case for the specific legal question that it covers, these services are well worth the cost.
If it were just the text of the cases and statutes, then it would be a rip-off. But the text of the cases and statutes are almost always available for free from other sources. Every state government should provide its statutes and caselaw online for free. As far as I know, most of them do. The same is true of the Federal system. But it's hard to make significant use of that if you don't have any of the tools that are available in a good law library. Westlaw and Lexis are like a law library at your fingertips.
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Re:So.... (Score:4, Insightful)
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No search feature (Score:5, Informative)
Re:No search feature (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:No search feature (Score:4, Interesting)
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Abulk.resource.org%2Fcourts.gov%2F+Google [google.com]
or search PDF file...
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Abulk.resource.org%2Fcourts.gov%2F+filetype%3Apdf+Google [google.com]
I think, it's a compromise until there is a better way.
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New Court Ruling (Score:2)
Re:New Court Ruling (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:New Court Ruling (Score:4, Interesting)
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yay (Score:5, Funny)
Now IANAL (Score:2)
I don't see this being used in court, but it's a great resource as much as the public law library is. Law students, people who wish to defend themselves, or just with a strong curiosity can now have a better starting point, if not a better understanding
FindLaw? (Score:2, Insightful)
If they are . . . (Score:1)
Sorry, I already patented this process (Score:2, Funny)
My, the USPTO is gullible.
not to nitpick, but... (Score:4, Informative)
it's actually LexisNexis [lexisnexis.com].
Legal Research the Free Way (Score:2, Interesting)
Similar Canadian database (Score:4, Informative)
Westlaw and Lexis-Nexis have similar subscription case reporters in Canada, where they cooexist peacefully with this free site [canlii.ca], where you can freely search and read most "recent" Canadian case law (e.g. from the mid 1990s to date), as well as some older important appellate cases. The paid services have more "editorial content" such as detailed headnotes and cross-referencing to commentary.
The single most important thing lawyers want, other than the case itself, is to know what other cases say about it: which subsequent authorities cite the case, and why? The ability to "note up" a case ("Quickcite" on Lexis-Nexis Canada, "Shepardizing" in Westlaw-speak) to see at a glance if it has been followed, overturned or otherwise commented on is a critical feature for any online repository of case law. Until Malamud's site does this it's not true competition to the subscription sites.
Good to hear, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
But Lexis and Westlaw will remain exceedingly important and worth their fees. Publishing cases is one thing - publishing the proprietary information that Lexis and Westlaw add (headnotes, the West Key system, Shepard's citations, treatises, and countless other secondary sources) would truly make this useful for attorneys. Of course, maintaining all of these sources requires a huge effort - and is one of the reasons these databases cost as much as they do. (There are, I'm sure, less savory reasons as well, of course.)
I wouldn't count on seeing Lexis and Westlaw go belly up soon - an attorney needs much more than the raw cases. But, like I said, this is very positive for the public.
I admit it - I tried a case using Google (Score:5, Interesting)
I got the verdict last Friday in a case I tried myself in federal court: Verdict, Gregerson v. Vilana Financial, Inc. [cgstock.com]
I'm not sure whether to be proud or embarrassed, but I did all my legal research using Google. The only paid service I used was Pacer, and that only for 2-3 cases. I bought one case from LexisNexis (Pinkham v. Sara Lee, 8th US Circuit), which cost $9.00. In the end, I was awarded $19,462 in damages (and I defeated six claims against me).
I found most of what I needed at Findlaw.com, www.law.cornell.edu. Specific state cases for Minnesota were at state.mn.us/lawlibrary/. I went to a law library only one time, and they didn't have what I needed, and I never went back.
I did get advice from an attorney on legal procedure (stuff not in any book). I would have used LexisNexis or West Law if it wasn't so overpriced ($9.00 for one webpage? All because the case was too old to be on Pacer, where it would cost about 18 cents). I'm going to try out this guy's service in the future.
(a full chronology of my case is here http://www.cgstock.com/essays/vilana [cgstock.com]))
Datamining for Lawyer Batting Averges (Score:5, Interesting)
Well! (Score:2)
They should get Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney to be the site avatar/host now that he's retired.
Volunteer Resources (Score:3, Interesting)
IANAL (Score:2, Funny)
I wonder (Score:1)
It also doesn't seem unreasonable to charge a small fee for online publications, I'm pretty sure that ApJ and the like charge at least a little to access their articles (fortunately for me, this is covered for computers on campus).
Thank You Carl! (Score:2)
Thank you Carl Malamud for doing your part in providing public access to crucial knowledge about our laws!
Isn't that redundant? (Score:2)
Carl Malamud is an information hero (Score:2)
If only the CFR or USC was published... (Score:1)
Of course, they would have to live by them, instead of making shit up when they put someone on trial, which is why the federal laws will never be published.
They claim the laws are online at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/ [gpoaccess.gov] but a search will show that 80% of the CFR and USC are actually missing. This way, a poor schlub is accused of breaking a non-existent law by a para-military storm trooper who is too ignorant to know what the Constitution says. The poor schlub protests his innocence, and is knocked to the floor by the bailiff. A few kicks later, he still protests his innocence. If he's lucky enough to be liked by the gestapo, he'll get a trial. (90% of us who ask for a trial are falsely entered as guilt pleas.) During the show trial, he's refused his right to know what he's accused of. All the defense evidence is suppressed, while the prosecutor grand-stands. (Remember, the prosecutor's office is paying the public defenders. Guess what happens to the ones that actually defend someone.) 90% of jurys convict at this point, but the ones that don't (who will never be called for jury duty again) ask for the law. The prosecutor and judge spend a few days whipping up bullshit to sound like a law, and present it to the jury.
At least this was my experience with the courts in the earl 1990's.
So you see, the CFR & USC will NEVER be published by the federal government.
Andy
LexisNexis and Westlaw (Score:1, Interesting)
This shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.
Online recordings of SCOTUS arguments (Score:2)
hard to access the information (Score:1)
But when I looked at the website it is obvious that this is not user friendly at all. From what I could tell, the files are either image pdf files or compressed in a tar.bz2 file. I doubt if more than 5% (I am being real generous here) of lawyers have any idea how to unpack that. (windows BZip2 for those who want a graphic interface)
I presume that somebody will OCR it and load it onto a Google-searchable website so the content can be found. Otherwise, this is just an exercise.