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Posted by
CmdrTaco
on Fri Jan 04, 2002 01:57 AM
from the read-this-stuff dept.
from the read-this-stuff dept.
You will likely notice a variety of changes in the comments system if you
are logged in.
Most of these changes surround the new 'Zoo' system which implements (among
other things) a sort of killfile function, and much more. Logged in
users have the ability to flag each other as Friends or Foes, and
assign bonuses and penalties appropriately. So if a user annoys you,
you can easily not read their comments any more. If you notice any
bugs, feel free to submit them or let krow or me know.
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Woohoo. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Woohoo. (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Woohoo. (Score:5, Insightful)
But an ability to annotate your -own- posts (i.e. an ability to add timestamped, limited length comments to the text of the post so they are visible to everyone viewing the post) would be very cool. Allowing for apologies/corrections/additional info to be placed in the comment by it's author, without despoiling the original comment..
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Re:Woohoo. (Score:3, Insightful)
I think as is - being able to reply to yourself works about the same
Maybe loose all mod points on the post when edited. Id like to be able to delete some posts too if no replys have been posted...
Re:Woohoo. (Score:3, Offtopic)
Re:Woohoo. (Score:5, Funny)
There's so many features in /. that need check boxes.
or maybe not...
-Russ
(I'm just joking... jeez.)
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Great! We're catching up! (Score:4, Funny)
Look out Usenet, here we come!
Hmmmm (Score:4, Funny)
-AC.
"Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien" (Score:5, Informative)
See that grey pearl besides your comment's details ?
click on it
Slashdot Friend/Foe System
So how do you perceive Cmdr Taco ?
So how do you perceive cyborg_monkey ?
So how do you perceive Klerck ?
So how do you perceive Jon Katz ?
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Friend
Neutral
Foe
Note: Who you like and dislike is not private; it can and will be used against you.
Do you mean I may get sacked if I happen to feel some sympathy for some of the trolls ?
I believe this is a little dangerous unless we have the guarantee that you are trustworthy enough to use this.
Until then, well... Everybody is my friend.
small potatoes [sic]h (Score:4, Funny)
>Note: Who you like and dislike is not private; it
>can and will be used against you.
That's nuttin'. Used against you by a snivelling 14 year old? Big deal.
Slashdot Friend/Foe system is insignifcant compared to an F-14's Interrogate Friend/Foe system. Now *that's* one you don't want used against you.
hawk
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Nice... (Score:5, Funny)
+2 comment bonus. Karma: 25
Capping out the system. Karma: 50
Jon Katz, Foe, -5. Priceless
killfile timothy! (Score:4, Troll)
Re:killfile timothy! (Score:5, Informative)
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What are you talking about? (Score:4, Funny)
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Friend or Foe, not so private (Score:4, Interesting)
1) Make them your friend
2) Click on the words 'friends' across from them
One can easily browse who's friend is whose.
Re:Friend or Foe, not so private (Score:4, Redundant)
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Re:Friend or Foe, not so private (Score:5, Informative)
http://slashdot.org/~cmdrtaco/friends [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/~cmdrtaco/foes [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/~cmdrtaco/fans [slashdot.org]
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Re:Friend or Foe, not so private (Score:3, Funny)
TacoTacoTaco (Score:5, Interesting)
the relationship pustule (Score:3, Flamebait)
Ability to tag friend or foe (Score:5, Insightful)
To me this sort of environment is supposed to be a sea of conflicting viewpoints and brash arguments. Trolls tend to already be taken care of to an extent by the current moderation abilities, and to an extent flamewars tend to fall below filter level.
But with the ability to assign "Friend or Foe" you essentially gain the ability to make the No-Mans-Land of the comments into an area that only reflects your own views and opinions. Granted it might take a while, and will very likely never completely kill dissenting opinion, but a pretty self-supporting environment can still be made.
The closest analogy I can think of would be a hardcore conservative listening to 24 hours of Rush Limbaugh (Not sure who would be a good example for a Liberal stance, so I won't list them. ). Sure they can do it, but in doing so they cut themselves off from the other viewpoints and opinions that might provoke some thought in what they believe in.
Re:Ability to tag friend or foe (Score:4, Interesting)
I discovered long ago that the friend or foe concept works well in separating the shite from the non. I think the terminology is too confrontational, but the concept works.
On Amazon.com, for example, if reviewer X gives a film that I loathe 5 stars, I'll generally dislike all of the films that he might recommend. The converse is also true. The same concept also seems to apply to books, music, and ideas.
No, this isn't limiting. I see too much overlap in tastes and opinion for that to be a problem, and I know of many films I've enjoyed that I would never have watched had they not been recommended to me by a trusted critic/friend. Ditto books, music, interesting philosophies.
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Re:Ability to tag friend or foe (Score:3, Insightful)
I think a timeout for foe could be a good feature for some cases.
Re:Ability to tag friend or foe (Score:4, Insightful)
Allow me to offer a few counter-examples:
A poster insists on including his/her sig in every post as actual post content rather than via the post mechanism. There are some people, myself included, who choose to browse with signatures turned off. However, since the sig's being included as part of the post, it circumvents the signature filter. Marking someone who does this as a foe wouldn't have anything to do with me reinforcing my own opinions on a Slashdot issue. Instead, it would be a purely stylistic concern.
Another good example was a troll who was pimping his humor site (ridiculopathy.com -- delibrately left unlinked to reduce traffic). At times, he would pass off the site's postings as legitimate articles related to the current Slashdot article. It got old fast, but your average mod was occasionally suckered in. I would've loved to have been able to killfile the guy and be done with it.
My final example is one of my biggest pet peeves -- anti-DMCA jokes. Now I dislike the DMCA, so on a raw opinion level, I agree with the posters. The problem, however, is the raging stupidity inherent in the jokes. 99% of them are the exact same premise, something similar to "Oh no! I'm violating the DMCA by opening a can of Coke." Besides being painfully repititious, these jokes generally have nothing to do with circumvention of a copy control device. Given the number of legitimate grievances people have against the DMCA, I'm unable to figure out why people insist on diluting their credibility by protesting fictional ones.
People who disagree with me on an issue, on the other hand, are usually quite interesting. If they're capable of substantiating their point with actual reasoning, it's a valuable post. For example, even though I'm disagreeing with the post that this is in response to, I have no reason to tag the poster as a foe. The poster raises a very interesting question, and the moderation of that post up to a 5 is, in my mind, legitimate.
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New Slashdot Games! (Score:5, Funny)
Slashdot editors announced today the addition of new, ground-breaking features to their SlashCode system, which is the heart of their article and comment system.
Among the changes are new features such as:
Finally... (Score:4, Funny)
...and along comes zoos and fan clubs to play with! Woot! My productivity at work has officially flatlined as of now!
Conflict with Anonymous Posting? (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't see the point of this new feature --- too many loopholes exist.
/. no longer warm and comforting... (Score:5, Funny)
You are alone in the world.
I thought I was amoungst my own here!
I thought I was accepted!
Loved even!
Will no one be my friend?
Same Code as Slash? (Score:3, Interesting)
Is this the same code that runs Slashdot?
Yes. Slashdot and Slashcode are usually running the latest development code from CVS, within a week or so.
If this is business as usual then we can expect to see a new release file announced at slashcode [slashcode.org] within a week or so. So the obvious question is, "Is this business as usual?"
Re:Same Code as Slash? (Score:4, Informative)
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All i have to say is... (Score:4, Funny)
Usenet Gateway (Score:5, Interesting)
The scary thing is that this could probably be done in a reasonable way. Articles could map to newsgroups on the server (with new ones appearing daily and old ones disappearing). Since comments are threaded anyways, this should transfer across directly. And as long as the slashdot username and password are required for accessing the NNTP server, there shouldn't be any real problems with unauthorized usage by spammers and such.
Oh well. Too bad most of the crowd here is too young to remember what usenet even is...
Gnus has a slashdot backend (Score:5, Informative)
Unfortunately, one has to run the CVS version of Gnus for this to work, since it does it by parsing the html, and need to be updated each time
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all this code... (Score:5, Insightful)
YEssirree, kids, we're still DECADES behind Usenet.
Re:all this code... (Score:3, Informative)
Seriously, think about it. There are about 3 million registered users on slashdot (shocking to think that you and I have user id's below 2000!). There are probably 20 new stories a day. Each story gets on average about 150 posts. So for each post you need to store one entry in a database per user.
That's 9 billion new rows a day.
Of course you could do some compression or bit-twiddling to reduce that, but not by a significant enough amount.
The best you can do is what LinuxToday does - mark stories as "new" since you last refreshed the page.
Usenet doesn't have this problem because all the "What I've read" stuff is stored client-side, and there's not enough room in cookies to do that.
Re:all this code... (Score:3, Insightful)
ie. You load the page and see 50 comments, when you've finished you hit refresh and see only the 5 posted while you were reading.
To do this you'd only for each person need to keep track of the last message id they've seen for each story. Still a fair bit of data, but a lot less.
You could maybe only keep track for stories that are on the front page and purge from the db after that?
Perhaps not a good idea.. (Score:3, Interesting)
People without a login will come here and see his MSFUD comments at '0', with no opposing comments, and assume that they might therefore have some validity? god help us..!
Re:Perhaps not a good idea.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Second is there are people like reading trolls, I for one read at -1 often enough. If I ever make someone my foe, that would be users pretending to know everything but don't know shit, or just can't discuss without flames; not delibrate trolls. Trolling is an art.
Changes we need on Slashdot RIGHT NOW (Score:5, Interesting)
Most of us here on
I find it downright ludicrous that to date, Slashdot has NO SECURE LOGIN.
[if you have one, then it's too well-hidden].
Make no mistake - I do not want my login password sent as cleartext.
It makes life too miserable.
For those with no HTTPS support, an unsecured login option should be provided,
but the secure one should be the default [or prominently displayed].
Much of Slashdot's pages teems with TABLE tags and other assorted formatting crap.
This drastically increases download and rendering times, and our ISP is only too happy
to charge us for it [money saved == more pr0n!].
Most users' browsers do not need this backward-compatibility kludge anymore,
as they use IE [what fools these mortals be!], Mozilla, Konqueror, Opera or NS6.x.
Use browser sniffing, then send pure, strict XHTML + CSS for formatting,
thus encouraging the luddites to switch to Mozilla!
[Good part is, the pages will still render well on text browsers like Lynx, Links etc.
Or they could be served the TABLE'd pages that NS 4.x & < should be served.]
That's all for now, folks. Any more suggestions? Feel free to tack them on.
set thread_growable TRUE
wishlist. (Score:3, Interesting)
-Seperate setting for doing moderations. I'd like my treshold lower when moderating to scan for AC gems. (or to search for trolls that are not trolls, but are meant funny)
-Some (don't know how) system to mod up late good posters. The problem with the current system is early on topic posters get modded up, but a 4 hour late gem has a very slim change to be modded up.
-Some filters for capitals in subject "RIGHT NOW" 8-)
<BELLYACHE> Suggestions for improvements... (Score:5, Interesting)
That way, after I've picked a certain number of people (100/X, actually) as friends, and they all like another poster I've never noticed before, he'll automagically have the same status with me that they all do.
Foe rankings would work the same way, but is the foe of my friend necessarily my foe, and is the foe of my foe necessarily my friend? Automatically assigning points based on those assumptions would probably not be useful.
This would be cool: (Score:5, Interesting)
It probably would look cooler than those internet map posters I see Thinkgeek advertise from time to time - plus there would be the added fun of trying to find your node in the graph!
But I don't want to score down my foes (Score:5, Interesting)
The people I want to score down are the Fools and the Trolls, whom I don't want to honor with the label "Foe".
Jon Katz (Score:3, Offtopic)
I don't read
As of the moment he has 6 fans (people how list him as a friend) and 10 PAGES (at 1024x768) of freaks [slashdot.org] (people who list him as a foe).
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Breaking News (Score:3, Funny)
WASHINGTON, DC -- Today, President George W. Bush, taking a cue from the New and Improved (C)(TM)(R) Slashcode at slashdot.org, promptly identified Osama bin Laden as a personal "Foe" (despite warnings that his decision to do so "can and will be used against him"), a rating that carries with it an invincible -6 moderation. Osama bin Laden then proceeded to immediately disappear off the face of the Earth, never to be heard from again.
New option (Score:3, Interesting)
Why? Five minutes ago I responded to an AC at score zero. I felt it required a rebuttal, but I didn't feel my response should waste the time of anyone who never saw the post I was responding to. I really didn't want to post anonymously, but it was the only way to get my score to zero. There is no way to post at -1 (if you want to respond to a -1 scored comment).
Choosing to post at a lower score is a form of courtesy to other readers.
Oh yeah, and how bad would the server load be for a spellcheck option in the comment preview?
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An Intermediate Step toward CF: a manifesto (Score:4, Interesting)
Imagine the following:
Slashdot 'notices' that a bunch of other users who share a lot of 'friends' with you have modded up a posting by someone who is not on your 'friends' list. Slashdot notifies you of the posting, you read it, submit a comment, and add the user to your 'friends' list. You have thus discovered a worthwhile posting that you may have missed had you been filtering out low-scoring comments.
If Slashdot created a true collaborative filtering-based moderation system, then moderation as we know it would cease to exist, and in its place hundreds of closely intertwined 'communities' of like-minded readers would emerge, and the quality of discussion on slashdot (as perceived by its readers) would grow enormously.
To satisfy new readers or those who had not taken the time to express their preferences, comments could be 'scored' according to aggregate moderation across communities. The key of CF would be that everyone would be a moderator all of the time, and everyone's moderations would effect whose comments they themselves saw in the future.
Re:make CT a foe! (Score:5, Insightful)
And that's the first bug with this system, I think. People will be able to make links to Slashdot that appear visually to be links to other stories or something innocent, but instead these links might actually mass-blacklist a victim if a lot of Slashdotters are fooled into clicking the links. I think these links should be flagged or not allowed in the body of messages.
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Re:make CT a foe! (Score:4, Informative)
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my bug report (Score:5, Interesting)
I altered the "reason modifier" in my user preferences such that Funny comments got rated -1. The modifer is being applied correctly to "Funny" comments, but the comments are not being sorted correctly. That is, a +4 Funny shows up above a +5 Interesting. It seems to me the comments are being sorted and *then* the modifier is being applied, but I would think it should be done the other way around.
My comment viewing settings are:
Threshold = 2, nested, and highest score first.
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