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RIP: Leonard Zubkoff

Posted by chrisd on Wed Sep 04, 2002 08:18 PM
from the we'll-miss-you-friend dept.
UnidentifiedCoward writes "LWN.net has a link to a blurb at KTVA, "Alaska State Troopers have recovered the bodies and released the names of two men killed late last week in a helicopter crash in Southeast. They are 38-year-old David Zampino of Fairbanks and 45-year-old Leonard Zubkoff of Crystal Bay, Nevada." Mr. Zubkoff was a linux kernel developer and the maintainer of BusLogic and DAC960 projects." Leonard was a hell of a nice guy and will be missed.
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  • Once again... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by A Clockwork Orange (251566) <jacob AT tri-coder DOT org> on Wednesday September 04 2002, @08:20PM (#4197981) Homepage
    Another of the world's many reminders of how fragile life is.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04 2002, @08:27PM (#4198015)
    From dandelion digital's homepage:

    "Leonard is also active in the Cryonics movement, and hosts the domain for Consonance."

    Not to be morbid or too sick, but does anyone see the irony of a cryonics enthusiast dying in an accident in ALASKA?
  • The Amiga. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Troy H Parker (600654) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @08:29PM (#4198023)
    As is often said when an Amiga user passes away, "The Amiga, it will outlive all of us."
    • Er... Isn't the Amiga already dead?

      No disrespect to the platform, which even today has yet to be surpassed by PCs in some ways, but you can't exactly go to Best Buy and pick up the latest 68070-powered Amiga PC with optional firewire video toaster add-on.
    • Too right brother, his work is still doing it's stuff on my box at home

      cat /proc/scsi/BusLogic/0
      ***** BusLogic SCSI Driver Version 2.1.15 of 17 August 1998 *****
      Copyright 1995-1998 by Leonard N. Zubkoff <lnz@dandelion.com>
      Configuring BusLogic Model BT-930 PCI Ultra SCSI Host Adapter
      Firmware Version: 5.02, I/O Address: 0xDC00, IRQ Channel: 10/Level
      PCI Bus: 0, Device: 10, Address: 0xDFFFF000, Host Adapter SCSI ID: 7
      Parity Checking: Enabled, Extended Translation: Enabled
      Synchronous Negotiation: FUUFFFF#, Wide Negotiation: Disabled
      Disconnect/Reconnect: Enabled, Tagged Queuing: Enabled
      Driver Queue Depth: 255, Scatter/Gather Limit: 128 segments
      Tagged Queue Depth: Automatic, Untagged Queue Depth: 3
      Error Recovery Strategy: Default, SCSI Bus Reset: Enabled
      SCSI Bus Termination: Enabled, SCAM: Disabled
      *** BusLogic BT-930 Initialized Successfully ***

      Target 2: Queue Depth 3, Synchronous at 20.0 MB/sec, offset 8
      Target 3: Queue Depth 3, Synchronous at 6.67 MB/sec, offset 15

      Current Driver Queue Depth: 255
      Currently Allocated CCBs: 28
      [snip]
  • by swimfastom (216375) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @08:29PM (#4198027) Homepage
    Leonard will be missed by many. He was Dandelion Digital's [dandelion.com] sole proprietor. He also has a page [dandelion.com] about his Linux acheivements, especially his SCSI drivers which are commonly used today.
  • Two people died (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous DWord (466154) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @08:45PM (#4198088) Homepage
    Leonard was a hell of a nice guy and will be missed.

    And David?
    • And David?

      Well, if you knew him, you should say something. If you didn't, it's kind of hard to say anything but "I'm sure David was a great guy too!" or "Any friend of a kernel developer is a friend of mine!"
      • I'd mod you up if I had moderation privliges right now. But your exactly right. Chris probably had talked to Leonard. David is probably a nice guy but no body here probably knows him.
    • Re:Two people died (Score:4, Insightful)

      by einhverfr (238914) <chris.travers@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 04 2002, @11:24PM (#4198574) Homepage Journal
      Story:

      Leonard was a hell of a nice guy and will be missed.

      Reply:
      And David?

      Of course, but not on slashdot ;)

      Lets face it, Leonard was a part of our community, David to my knowledge was not. His communities will miss him too, but not on slashdot.
  • by xenoweeno (246136) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @08:55PM (#4198122)
    ...for having been the last name in the alphabetical list of kernel contributors for quite a long time. So notable was this that it called for a special entry in CREDITS--that is, until contributors with last names past "zu" came along, requiring CREDITS to be patched [surriel.com].
  • by xlation (228159) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @08:56PM (#4198126)
    There's not much in the FAA report (see below) but it looks like weather wasn't an issue.

    -----
    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 7189T Make/Model: R44 Description: 2000 ROBINSON R-44
    Date: 08/29/2002 Time:

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: KETCHIKAN State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    2000 ROBINSON 44 HELICOPTER CRASHED IN WINSTANLEY LAKE, LOCATED UPSIDE
    DOWN, 2 POB SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN,
    KETCHIKAN, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: KTN METAR 08/30/02 0053 UTC 34009KT 10SM SCT040 BKN070

    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: KETCHIKAN, AK Dep Date: 08/28/2002 Dep. Time: 0349
    Destination: WINSTANLEY LAKE, AK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: DEPARTING KETCHIKAN
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: JUNEAU, AK (AL05) Entry date: 08/30/2002

    • by Cecil (37810) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @10:37PM (#4198463) Homepage
      Actually, the weather could well have been a factor.

      While the METAR doesn't explicitly state that there was any icing conditions, that is certainly not a confirmation that there were none. Especially if the pilot was flying through some of the scattered clouds that were 4,000 feet above ground level. That's a very quick way to pick up a lot of ice.

      And I doubt that Robinson 44 had anything more than meagre de-icing equipment at best.

      I will concede that there was likely some mechanical failure contributing to, if not causing the accident, but it doesn't mean you can rule out the weather entirely.
    • The actual weather report for AKT (which has the FAA station identifier of KTN) is as follows:
      PAKT 300053Z 34009KT 10SM SCT040 BKN070 17/11 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP187
      HARBOR WND 31012KT T01720106=
      For those who don't read METAR (which includes some of us meteorologist), here is the gist:

      Temp: 63F/17C
      Dewp: 51F/11C
      Winds: Northwest at 14mph/12kts
      Pressure: 1018.7mb
      Sky: mostly scattered or broken between 4000ft/1220m to 7000ft/2135m
      Visibility: 10miles/16km

      All in all, not a bad day, though it was a little windy. I do agree with an above post that icing COULD be a possibility, but with a surface temp as warm as it was, they would have to be flying pretty high.
      • I do agree with an above post that icing COULD be a possibility, but with a surface temp as warm as it was, they would have to be flying pretty high.

        Huh? A surface temp of 17 celcius is the perfect temperature for forming carbueretor ice. The air cools 15-20 degrees in the carbueretor as it rushes through the venturi tube. Of course, as soon as this starts to happen, the process accelerates, since the ice effectively narrows the venturi tube, making the air even colder in there.



        Ironically, when the surface temp is near or below freezing, carb icing ceases to be an issue, since the air in the venturi is so cold that ice crystallizes quickly before the moisture gets on the walls of the venturi. However, at this temperature you need to wtart worrying about surface icing (does surface icing affect helicopters? I only fly planes.)

  • Obit topic (Score:4, Insightful)

    by autopr0n (534291) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @09:01PM (#4198146) Homepage Journal
    Slashdot seems to run a lot of obituaries. Perhaps there should be a topic for it.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      autopr0n writes:
      Slashdot seems to run a lot of obituaries. Perhaps there should be a topic for it.
      There already is. It's called the BSD section.
    • Slashdot seems to run a lot of obituaries. Perhaps there should be a topic for it.

      With what icon?

      Some of the most obvious choices seem like the worst. I don't want some cheezy grim reaper cartoon. A tombstone is just morbid. There must be some better way to represent a lifetime of accomplishment.

      Something earthy (from nature, not cyberspace) and subtle. Perhaps footsteps in the sand.

  • One to Emulate (Score:3, Insightful)

    by QuantumWeasel (606327) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @09:04PM (#4198163)
    I will never forget how it felt to install Mr. Zubkoff's BusLogic drivers in a 2.0.8 kernel for the first time. Back then, the drivers hadn't yet made their way into Linus' tree. As a veteran of rolling my own kernel, having built X and gotten it up when that was still an accomplishment, and having bled on libc #defines, I settled in for major pain. But Mr. Zubkoff's driver dropped right in. Like butter. The nost seamless thing I'd ever seen. He will be missed, not only for great drivers but also for providing a model of how the Linux community could approach initially reluctant vendors for register-level APIs. Here's to you, sir!
  • Oh my, it is so freakingly painful to look at the web page of a dead person that, even while you didn't know it, took part at your life...
  • Bummer. And thanks. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MissMyNewton (521420) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @09:11PM (#4198186)
    As much as I despise Linux "advocates" these days, I remain in awe and appreciation of the coders who just make stuff work .

    Many thanks to *all* of them.

    Bet they don't hear that enough...

  • by Anonymous Coward
    So a guy gets killed in an accident, and so far about 75% of the posts to this story are racist, homophobic, anti-Linux trolls and comments to the effect of "He deserved it" or "I'll bet it was Microsoft." For a group of people that is supposed to be so intelligent (key word there is "supposed"), there are a lot of idiots reading Slashdot. If you don't have anything constructive to say, then either don't say it at all, or save it for the next evolution flamebait story.

    Yeah, I know .. you don't care. But I'll tell you this: One day, somebody you do care about will die, and I hope that your thoughts are preoccupied with the horrific things that you've posted to this story, and how terrible you behaved. Most /. readers are high school and college kids that wouldn't know the first thing about true loss. That will change with time.
    • "So a guy gets killed in an accident, and so far about 75% of the posts to this story are racist, homophobic, anti-Linux trolls and comments to the effect of "He deserved it" or "I'll bet it was Microsoft."

      I wouldn't get too hyped up over it. It's mostly a bunch of AC's. If somebody were to say that shit with their registerred nick, then I'd really start worrying about how intelligent people here think they really are.

  • About David Zampino (Score:5, Informative)

    by rkanodia (211354) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @09:21PM (#4198218)
    Most people here probably know more about Leonard Zubkoff, so why don't I talk a little about David Zampino. Mr. Zampino ("Please, call me Dave") was my boss at the company I worked for during the summer between high school and college. At that time, he was working for RCN, a fairly large ISP. He taught me a great portion of what I know about TCP/IP and routing equipment. He was a great boss; on days with lots of customers calling, he would tell us techs (not just 'let' us; he would say, "Be sure to expense that,"!) to expense pizza delivery if we decided to work through lunch. His focus was always, always on having good customer service. He really wanted the company to have a reputation as being dependable and competent, even if it cost time and money. He also did not have much patience for office politics. One time, a customer called and complained that his Unreal server had suddenly become sluggish, and all the players' ping times had gone up 60 miliseconds. I investigated, found a problem in our routing, and sent an email to the appropriate internal mailing list. When the person in charge of the buggy area fired back a reply chastising my inexperience and ridiculous notions, Dave was on it like a hawk. In less than 15 minutes he, too, had investigated the problem, and wrote to the list both to back me up and to castigate the other manager (albeit in a very diplomatic way) for reflexively 'defending his turf' without even looking into the problem!

    I don't know a whole lot about him before that time. Mr. Zampino was the founder of Brainstorm (1990-1991 ish), which started as a hardware company making accelerator cards for Macs. They ended up as a local, business-only ISP (long story) which was eventually bought by RCN, which is how he ended up there. While he may not have been a kernel hacker, he was certainly no slouch in Unix operation and programming, nor in hardware design. Although I have not worked for RCN since the summer of 2000, and I believe he left the company earlier this year, I am sure he is fondly remembered by all his co-workers.

    Rest in peace, Dave. I am proud to have had the privilege of knowing you.
  • You know after reading some of the contents of the posts here it kinda makes me wonder.

    One reader noted that joked a time of death are cathartic, and that holds true and the particular post was well met.

    99% of the posts were legit, guy telling the story how the data he is looking at currently is brought by a driver one of the newly departed wrote... Another post told how he worked under one and has fond memories of him being a nice guy.

    But there are still posts slamming them as Windows usrers, arguing about Amigas, etc.

    Life does go on Slashdot. But you know death does too. Lets remember that, AC's, or just plain assholed. Time and a place for everything.

    Puto
  • From Danelion Digital:
    "Leonard is also active in the Cryonics movement, and hosts the domain for Consonance."
    I wonder if he's asked his family to freeze his body.
  • I've used several cards using drivers by lnz@dendelion.com; I think the first 'totally built from scratch to be a Linux server' machine I ever put together used a 53c875 Symbios chip, and he helped me get it running at top speed to show off Linux's speed for a database. This would have been better than 5 years ago, at least. We'd been using Linux a lot longer than that on 'stock' machines, but needed some more 'umph' than we could get, and he was a great resource for support and friendly help. He'll be missed.
  • by el borak (263323) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @11:33PM (#4198591)
    Many years ago, I wrote the original Buslogic driver for Linux. After maintaining it for a while, Leonard appeared with significant improvements. I knew the name sounded vaguely familiar but it took me a while to place.

    As an undergrad at CMU, the CS terminal room was rather evenly split between DEC VT52 and Concept C100 terminals. And then there were the "special" terminals: the Concept-LNZ. These amazing little creatures were a result of Leonard's graduate work. They contained custom firmware that the locally hacked version of Unix Emacs contained special support for. It cached frequently displayed tokens in local (off screen) video memory and exchanged an encoded/compressed token stream with the editor. Working over a 2400 bps serial line was an absolute dream on these. It sped up the editing sessions to an amazing degree.

    When I asked Leonard in an e-mail if he was "the" LNZ of Concept-LNZ fame, he was rather flabergasted that someone would remember this over 10 years later. He gradually took over support for the Buslogic driver as he was both a better driver writer and had local access to the Buslogic lab to do testing.

    When I read this headline, my gut tied in a very tight knot that will not soon be untangled.

    We'll miss you, Leonard.

    • Yeah, I remember those! I worked in that terminal room when I was in high school, and the C-LNZs were definitely the ones to get; they were so much faster. Then years later, I worked with Leonard at Lucid, and was shocked to discover that he was that very same LNZ. I'm sure I gushed at him about what an amazing hack those terminals were.

      Bye, Leonard. You'll be missed.

  • by powerlinekid (442532) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @11:58PM (#4198631)
    First of all my condolances to the loved ones of David and Leonard. I never knew either, but from the glowing comments I've read... I wish I had. Unfortunately shit happens. Its part of life. However even though Leonard has passed on, his legacy will be the code he has contributed to linux. From what I've understand that seems to be some extensive work on the scsi system which is no small task in its self. All of this makes me wonder, because of the freedom of his code... his work will live on through others, would this be the case in "non-OS" software? Say Company M has a programmer P who is chiefly responsible for widget W. Now say programmer P passes on and besides maybe a few people who understand the code, who works on W? But if P's work was done to be scrutinized by the masses, that work would continue on. I believe this is one important reason why information should be free. If something happens to the creator, their work can continue on if it has value to someone. It makes me wonder how many people had brilliant ideas, but closely guarded them to the point that they died with them.
  • lnz was cool (Score:5, Informative)

    by dan_bethe (134253) <slashdot@smuckol ... rg minus painter> on Thursday September 05 2002, @12:09AM (#4198651)
    Here are some big runon blurbs I tend to write in order to fondly remember and credit someone.

    I was employee number twentysomething (IT admin) at VA Research, and I was interviewed by Larry, Rob, and Leonard. lnz always had time to randomly consult on the spot with employees in terms of engineering or general technology. Whenever he'd breeze through the office (never coming in before afternoon), ya knew he was kickin some ass. He was often seen smiling. He was one of the first people I was personally aware of to really use Linux itself to make a big dent in major industry, through his work with Buslogic and Mylex SCSI controllers. He told me when Adaptec finally stopped disavowing the existance of Linux, they came to VA and said "We're sorry. Can we play with Linux now?" and lnz said, "No. Too late." He'd already schooled them on Linux from the grassroots on up, forcing them to acknowledge an emerging market. I'm sure he was a strong mentor for that driver engineering and reverse engineering community. Man, that takes devotion and patience.

    Ya couldn't mess with his workflow. He had like a mini data center and R&D lab at his house, which he relied solely on at all times, telneting home and xhosting his XEmacs display back to the office when we had public IP addresses for all workstations. :} I'd just negotiate with him so that he didn't have to end up scrounging together an engineering team to duplicate all of IT's infrastructure. *wink to mobyone and claw*

    Then with the pre-IPO, he had to move his R&D out of his house into the office. This was when we were in the original garage-like Mountain View office next door to SGI North American sales on Shoreline, and our building's resources was about 3 times overcommitted by our growth rate. We had phone lines and ethernet cords draping out of the ceiling down to shared desks in order to accommodate having new employees per week, and I had to figure out how to route power all around the building using very warm and very illegal 14 gauge extension cords from each available power circuit to wherever in the building lnz's engineers needed them. Routed em like some people route ethernet cables. Such as to lnz's new 1 terabyte file server sitting next to my desk, powered by the women's restroom. That server was lnz's baby; you may have seen it at the March 1999 Linuxworld Expo. He blew that circuit that afternoon. Permanently. The women's restroom never worked again. Thanks to his rapidly growing engineering dept and to our new sales dept, the power generator in the back was hot enough to singe your body hair when you opened the door to it. The fsck alone on that event pushed the ship date back a day or more. Yeah he was shipping 1TB RAID servers with ext2. :}

    lnz inadvertantly taught me a lot about fire and safety codes of Mountain View and Sunnyvale, and he taught me the proper use of the word "cryonics" instead of Hollywood's improper use of "cryogenics". He's one super nice guy. Hope to see ya around, lnz.
    • Re:lnz was cool (Score:5, Informative)

      by shlong (121504) on Thursday September 05 2002, @01:25AM (#4198819) Homepage
      He told me when Adaptec finally stopped disavowing the existance of Linux, they came to VA and said "We're sorry. Can we play with Linux now?" and lnz said, "No. Too late." He'd already schooled them on Linux from the grassroots on up, forcing them to acknowledge an emerging market.

      I really am sorry to hear of Mr. Zubkoff's death, and I certainly do not wish to disrepect him, but this comment is totally and completely wrong. I was one of the Adaptec guys in that meeting. The conversation was something like this:

      We're working on officially supporting Linux. One thing that we noticed is that the Linux SCSI layer really, really, really sucks. We'd like to rewrite it, but we need your political support.

      I agree that the SCSI layer needs to be fixed, but I'd rather fix it myself than support you. Goodbye.

      There was no "schooling us on Linux from the grassroots up", only a rather rude snub at our offer to make Linux better. That was 15 months ago, and we haven't seen any significant progress towards fixing the SCSI layer, other than the patches for bugfixes that we come up with and submit ourselves.

      You attempt to troll Adaptec for something that you obviously were not a part of is not appreciated. Look at all of the SCSI vendors out there and tell me which gives better support for Linux? All of our drivers are GPL and we give bug fixes back to the community when we find them. What's your problem?
      • Re:lnz was cool (Score:5, Informative)

        by dan_bethe (134253) <slashdot@smuckol ... rg minus painter> on Thursday September 05 2002, @01:59AM (#4198890)
        Good grief! Get a grip! All I said is that's what he told me in 1999. I know he was wacky, egotistical, and NIH-oriented, and that Linux's SCSI has issues! :) Comments aren't always perfect from everyone's point of view and the topic is in memory of a nice guy.

        To respond to your semi-relevant and personally misconstrued tangent, Adaptec had been utterly uninvolved with Linux up to that point in time, and the Linux drivers were very low end even though the community had done an awesome job of reverse engineering them without Adaptec's help. Immediately before joining VA, I was in 3rd level support at Netcom Hosting which consisted exclusively of Adaptec 2940UW's on Linux, and we had to disable every advanced feature just to keep them booted. I later worked with a guy who had previously been a project manager at Adaptec and who described to me the horrors involved in trying to get Adaptec's management to acknowledge the basic relevance of the existance of IEEE1394, and who concurred that they had been unconcerned with Linux at the point I mentioned.

        The open source community's unstoppable ingenuity is what forced a lot of companies in general to pay attention to Linux's virtues in order to eventually remain relevant. That's all I meant. It was a comment about lnz's personal tenacity in his memory as a community icon, not an orthagonally correct industrial analysis.

        The first half of your comment was relevant and appreciated though. I don't have the anonymous bitterness and cynicism required to contend in Slashdot discussions, so have a nice day and please move on. :)
  • by leighklotz (192300) on Thursday September 05 2002, @12:52AM (#4198738) Homepage
    Leonard made changes to Emacs on ITS and TOPS-10 when he was at CMU, in order to take advantage of the screen buffer controls (insert line, rather than redraw-rest-of-screen, etc.) on the Heath/Zenith H19/Z19 VT52 clone.

    Although as everyone knows Leonard later became a strong contributor to free software, these updates to Emacs he placed under a restrictive license, and vigorously protected his code. RMS was quite upset by this, as were some other folks. Although Stallman's tiff with Symbolics over Lisp Machine source access is often cited as the reason he started the GNU project, I believe that his interactions with Leonard over ZEmacs were an even earlier influence.

    So, in some sense, we have Leonard to thank for the Gnu project that he later contributed to.

    Here [google.com] is the earliest Usenet mention that Google has (we weren't all big USENET users in those days -- it was mostly UUCP modem-based systems).
    • Re:Moment of Silence (Score:5, Interesting)

      by TowerTwo (237512) on Wednesday September 04 2002, @08:43PM (#4198080)
      I had something insightful to say, but it seems silly now. I rely on his driver for all the data that matters to me. Picture of my son from birth to today and all the code I have written and kept in my years. It was his DAC960 driver and the fact that Mylex seemed to respect the driver enough to point you to his page for Linux support that made me choose Linux over Solaris a few years ago for a set of large arrays.

      His contributions will truly be missed by me and I am sure many others.

      Steven
      • I met Leonard a few times and he took the time to listen to my questions and explain some of the intricate details of his raid drivers. He was like most of the Linux developers that I've met, which means he was happy to share what he knew and I really appreciated that quality. A simple question: Who will replace Leonard in this community? I don't have the skill, but hopefully others can fill the void.
          • funny. most linux developers i've met tell me "RTFM".

            I think the response returned is proportional to the stupidity of the question asked. When I was asking Leonard questions about an approach to raid optimizations, his response was that he sacrificed some code clarity for optimization. I didn't ask something that was in TFM. At the same conference (1998), someone in front of 1500 people asked Linus when the kernel source tree would be compilable out of the /usr/src/linux tree. Linus answered that that was already the case, that his tree's aren't in the /usl tree at all. The questioner replied with 'Ummm.. Thanks.". That is the kind of question that usually gets the RTFM or 'search the kernel archives' type answers.

            Most technical people don't seem to have the patience to respond nicely to dumb questions, but I have seen exceptions.
      • His politeness was certainly notable; I asked him a few questions around the sundry Buslogic combos and he was always helpful and friendly, though I'm sure he'd heard the same questions many times over. A shame to have such a pleasant man pass on so young.
    • The parent post was funny, without being even slightly disrespectful to the memory of a valued member of our community. Humor at a death may bother some, but it can also be cathartic. There is absolutely no justification in modding the parent post as "troll" or "flamebait", and the people who wasted their mod points need some severe attitude readjustment. Please mod the parent back up before you mod me down as offtopic (I have karma to spare, and then some).
      • Actually, there's no evidence that catharsis actually does anything. In fact, it often accentuates feelings, rather then getting rid of them.
    • It seems as if anyone who had a role in developing modern day systems are dieing. Conspiracy, I sure damn hope not.
      I think you've watched "Antitrust" a few times too many. ;-)
    • Well, this particular incident makes me think that the Grim Reaper just accidentally clicked on the name column and sorted his to-do list in reverse alphabetical order.

    • Re:Toy copter? (Score:4, Informative)

      by r_j_prahad (309298) <r_j_prahad@@@hotmail...com> on Wednesday September 04 2002, @09:09PM (#4198180)
      It was a Robinson R-44. The R-44 is not a kit, and it's far from a toy. Unfortunately, Robinson's have a huge piece of the statistics pie simply because they're the one rotary wing affordable enough to be used for instruction. And students crash a lot.
      • Re:Toy copter? (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        The Robinson's suffer from a problem that all lightweight heli's do, and that is low rotor inertia. It makes them very twitchy in flight. Unfortunately, it's not just stundent pilots that crash them. A large number of crashes in R-22's and R-44's happen with experienced pilots at the stick. Just last month a FACTORY Robinson pilot crashed a brand-new R-22 in Texas.

        The rotors on a Robinson can actually flex enough to strike the aircraft in flight if you over control them.
      • I wrote about David Zampino in another comment. I neglected to mention in that post that, in addition to being a chip designer, programmer, and IT manager, David Zampino was also known as 'Bat Dave' in my corner of the office because of his ability to fly small planes and helicopters.