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Gnomoradio: Creative Commons Music Sharing
Posted by
michael
on Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:48 AM
from the share-the-love dept.
from the share-the-love dept.
An anonymous reader writes "I just stumbled upon Gnomoradio, a file sharing jukebox based on Creative Commons licenses. This program looks like a garage band's dream come true! It recommends songs based on each user's ratings, and has the capability to share them. Announced less than a year ago, the program has already made a great deal of progress, as can be seen from these screenshots. I downloaded the Debian package, and aside from a few interface quirks, the program works flawlessly. Is this the future of digital music, or should we be looking for something less centralized?"
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similar to irate (Score:5, Informative)
The real problem is splintering (Score:5, Insightful)
Forget the programs, we need the standards. Isn't that what we've been saying about the Web and file exchange.
These buggers all need to interoperate. I haven't looked in detail at all of them, but let's say that gnomoradio has hit the key points:
1: publish the music
2: publish the license - keep it legal
3: ratings feedback
I'd say we also need
4: option to send money/payment/exchange to the artist
We need standards, and let gnomoradio, irate, and magnatune all run on those standards. Then pick the one you like, that runs on your platform.
3 disparate systems splits the catalog, and it's going to be tough enough to reach critical mass, as it is.
Some sort of license check is necessary as a fundamental part of the infrastructure, to keep the ??AA of their backs.
Provisions to pay the artist are a good idea. I wonder if percentage-wise voluntary payment works better or worse than spam.
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How long will this last? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:How long will this last? (Score:5, Insightful)
Even for
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Re:How long will this last? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:How long will this last? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:How long will this last? (Score:4, Insightful)
Unless their primary goal is to protect their obsolete business model, but they wouldn't do that....
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Re:How long will this last? (Score:3, Interesting)
I think the RIAA is not really concerned about online communities like this one. Things like GarageBand.com [garageband.com] have been around for a long time and the RIAA is not sweating it. Things like this make it easier for an RIAA label to sign a band. The band will be more professional, will already have some knowledge of marketing itself, and will have some sort of proven success to show that they can create a "bu
Re:How long will this last? (Score:3, Interesting)
They will be if this becomes popular.
Things like this make it easier for an RIAA label to sign a band.
Things like this make it unnecessary for a band to sign with a label. And that's really the crux of the matter. The recording industries business model has been the creation/promotion of superstars and the selling of plastic disks. The plastic disks are no longer needed and sites like this make promotion available to b
Re:How long will this last? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:How long will this last? (Score:2)
It's not a matter of legal; it's a matter of might.
RIAA can pour money and resources into shutting it down and going after users, as long as they insinuate that there *must* be some copyright material being traded.
Re:How long will this last? (Score:3, Insightful)
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Only time... (Score:5, Insightful)
Just as mp3.com used to be a great resource for me to find bands, the bigger artists tried to get in on it, but would never allow songs for download. Especially with the widespread adoption of "legit" music stores, I doubt this will catch on outside of indie groups (which is where I will continue to get my music).
Re:Only time... (Score:2)
I was already pissed that it was going to be so tightly tied to GNOME, and I tried to build it anyway. No go, even after installing *every* package it requires. Something's wrong somewhere, obviously.
What I'd like to see is their backend factored out into a cross-platform library (note when I say cross-platform that does not mean it can require GNOME on Linux and still be cross-platform, because GNOME is a platform and depending on GNOME libraries means you're tied to a platform). It would be trivial at
Centralized is good if content is legal (Score:4, Interesting)
-Matt
Re:Centralized is good if content is legal (Score:3, Insightful)
Funny how now we now assume something is illegal unless proven otherwise, instead of the opposite.
Asked and answered (Score:5, Interesting)
No, because few people want to listen to indy music.
The future of digital music is giving the RIAA another buck, via Apple or Napster or whoever, to listen to your favorite songs in yet another proprietary format. One for your portable player, one for your PC, one for your car.
That's just the way it is, like it or not.
Re:Asked and answered (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Asked and answered (Score:2)
Re:Asked and answered (Score:3, Insightful)
People want to listen to the same songs and music because it helps them identify with each other. If you're the only fan of unknown band X, then you can't use that to link yourself to a particular crowd or lifestyle.
Which is what the RIAA really sells, prepackaged "lifestyles".
Want to be a non-conformist? Buy these CDs, and wear these cloths, pierce this, so you fit in just like every other non-conformist. (Yeah, the ass-backwardsness of that remark
Re:Asked and answered (Score:2)
For the past 2 decades, there were only national channels to get music information. There were only national radio corporations to play the songs, and there were only national commercial distributors to buy your own copy (whatever rights you still get if you d
Re:Asked and answered (Score:2)
But "They" haven't absorbed 100% of the scene. For each of these genres, there are numerous non-mainstream bands which haven't been completely assimilated by the beast and which will never been shown on MTV.
There is still plenty of good music in these genres, and much of it is in your local scene. If you live in culturally deprived suburbia or some other place that doesn't have a vibrant scene [culture snob] and maybe you should think of moving.[/cu
Re:Asked and answered (Score:2)
Re:Asked and answered (Score:2, Interesting)
Your peers care. That's what I'm getting at. If your friends are into Black Flag, listening to Wayne Newton makes you an outsider.
They sell lifestyles. You can choose from goth, ska-punk, country redneck, hip-hopper, headbanger..
Many many people don't go to Best Buy and pick up CDs so much as they have songs they want to hear, bu
Re:Asked and answered (Score:2, Interesting)
But you get older. Hip friends matter less and less and being part of a crowd matters less and less as that old devil time wears on.
Then the music that you most cherish happens to be the music you liked as a youth when you look back. Yes, I like new stuff coming out...but it usually has to brew for
Re:Asked and answered (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Asked and answered (Score:2)
Re:Asked and answered (Score:2)
You listen to KLBJ too? ;)
Seriously, the two interesting complaints I've seen are "Not enough local bands" and "ClearChannel". Try living in Austin sometime. KLBJ has a good, solid mix of local bands, and they aren't clearchannel and never will be. (If they become clearchannel, expect rednecks to develop suicide bombing tactics)
The soul of a Texan is independence.
Re:Asked and answered (Score:2)
Actually, I'm in PA. I heard a story about them on NPR. The sample playlists they gave sounded like they had hacked into my computer and stole my iTunes library, so I was intrigued. A true 'driveway moment.'
Re:Asked and answered (Score:2)
:) KLBJ is awesome. They had an internet stream at one point, you might be able to find it if you hit their website. My only real caveat with it is that it required internet explorer to work.
Ok, I checked, and they don't stream over the internet any more. :( Sucks, but you can at least visit their website [klbjfm.com]. Naturally I recommend visiting their lame website so you don't promote excessive usage of flash.
And a slight political word: KLBJ better represents Texans than the president. In fact, you can con
Re:Asked and answered (Score:4, Interesting)
Hate to say it but there is something to be said for this. And for good reason.
Part of popular music's appeal is that it is, duh, enjoyed by a lot of people. That is the *primarily* purpose of the major labels, with their huge marketing budgets. They buy consensus along the lines of "Yes this is a song that we, the people, like."
This allows a sort of cultural bonding to take place over certain songs--the producers of "Garden State" can put Cold Play's "Don't Panic" in the begginning of that movie and we'll all understand its shared meaning. It becomes a generational thing.
Music companies buy consensus, and we all need that consensus to build a music community. (Whether we need this done in the way that music companies now do this is another matter entirely--I'd rather have 100 world music bands sell 100,000 copies each of their songs than Fleetwood Mac sell 10 million copies of their latest tired joint. But I digress).
I noticed this back in the early 90s when I was a reviewer for a heavy metal mag. We got *lots* of fantastic CDs in (Along with loads of dross) that, over time, became some of my favorite music. But I feela loss because no one today would know what a great band, say, Antic Hay, was. The music is just as good as what was popular, but something is lost nonetheless.
So Yay! for the major labels!
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Re:Asked and answered (Score:3, Insightful)
Why do music companies market inane girl and boy bands instead of good indy music? Because their business model is based on the idea of high marginal costs for distribution. If there are 10,000 people in the world who will like a song enough to pay $1 for it, and it takes me two days in the studio and other two on my Mac to make the song, at a total cost o
Re:Asked and answered (Score:2)
I don't know where people come up with the idea that Apple's DRM is in any way more restrictive than, say, a CD. Sure, it's not supported by *every* MP3 play
The name (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The name (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:The name (Score:3, Interesting)
It may be clever in context, but unless the goal was to create a new program so they could give it a clever name, they're really just undermining their own efforts.
Re:The name (Score:4, Funny)
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The Classics (Score:3, Insightful)
Performance is owned (Score:5, Informative)
You're right, however the works of Mozart need to be performed. And those performances are owned by the people who performed them.
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Re:Performance is owned - Taxpayer is 0WN3D (Score:2)
Yes, but why? Most, at least, of the major classical orchestras in the USA are heavily subsidized by federal grants and other forms of funding for the arts. (And I'm only saying "most" because its possible a few privately formed ones like the NBC symphony may be exceptions for at least some of their performing years - EVERY orchestra that has a place name in its title is on the grant system.
Why didn't our tax dollars buy us any rights? WE
Re:The Classics (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:The Classics (Score:4, Informative)
one of the national stations over here used to play classical music from some 20-30's recordings all night long some years ago, as they didn't have to pay for playing them at all.
now they just play pop.. trying to compete with commercial channels I suppose but whats the point for them(they're not a commercial channel, yet they try to act like one for some weird reason - taking all the bad bits from commercial stations like braindead hosts)..
and in addition to that there's quite many classical orchestras that don't really make the recordings for profit(you can find good classical music cd's in the discount bin always).
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Re:The Classics (Score:2)
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Re:The Classics (Score:2)
For classical piano works, MIDI is almost tolerable.
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Good Start (Score:5, Informative)
it will die to its own popularity (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:it will die to its own popularity (Score:2, Informative)