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Time-Shifting For The iPod
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timothy
on Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:20 AM
from the tivo-needs-no-separate-pc dept.
from the tivo-needs-no-separate-pc dept.
depechemodem writes "This story at ExtremeiPod talks about a new piece of software from Adam Curry called iPodder (now at Sourceforge) which uses RSS feeds with MP3 enclosures to stream audio to iTunes. The best part is that those streams can be saved as clips automatically on to your iPod or other MP3 player for later listening making this the first portable time-shifted Internet audio application. The code is alse being ported to Windows."
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Wow, Adam Curry (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Wow, Adam Curry (Score:2)
I kid, I kid
Re:Wow, Adam Curry (Score:2)
Re:Wow, Adam Curry (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:Wow, Adam Curry (Score:5, Informative)
I have his blog in my RSS feed - he occasionally posts up photos of him and various people.
He has been doing radio shows (even wen to Iraq and did some coverage there), has owned a series of tech start ups that apparently did fairly well (at least for him), and he also flies planes/helicopters.
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What a load of garbage (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What a load of garbage (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:What a load of garbage (Score:5, Informative)
Morning Edition begins broadcasting at ~5AM Pacific time, and repeats its programming several times during its timeslot. (At least here in Seattle.)
Many people's morning commute does not involve a car. The radio reception I got on the bus was always really crappy, so I've given up listening to a lot of radio. This might be a solution.
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Trademarks and copyrights (Score:5, Insightful)
Won't Apple get upset about the use of the "iPod" trademark in the product's name?
And won't the NMPA and RIAA start to female-dog about it being a copyright infringement tool? No, sharing your own songs may not be a substantial non-infringing use under Betamax because what you call "your own songs" could likely be either covers or subconscious infringements.
I smell cease and desist.
Re:Trademarks and copyrights (Score:5, Funny)
(posting without reading from my third computer)
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a whoosawhats it now? (Score:5, Funny)
So basically, using an RSS and MP3 wrapper, they've created the 21st century equivalent of a tape recorder hooked up to a radio...
Re:a whoosawhats it now? (Score:5, Informative)
More like a crippled DAT hooked up to a digital tuner with an Internet connection. You couldn't exactly tell your tape recorder to only record such and such a show on this, this, and that station without manual intervention. You also wouldn't exactly have digital audio.
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"Timeshifted" (Score:5, Insightful)
So basically, if I understand this right, it's an app that records audio from the internet then automagically siphons it off to an iPod. Clever....even without the jargon and catchphrases.
Re:"Timeshifted" (Score:5, Informative)
Uh, well, it's not really all that new. It came about with the inital advent of VCRs.
Well, not really. "Time-shifting", as a term, came about because there was something new about it, namely that you could watch what was being recorded while it was being recorded, but at a different point in time than what was recording at that moment. Obviously, that's a mouthful to say, hence the term "time-shifting". It was new to the digital world, and it's a big deal because it lets you, say, pause live TV and go make a sandwich, or start watching an 8 PM program at 8:03 without missing anything, or whatever. A VCR can't do that. (You'd have to record the entire show, then start watching at the beginning once it's over.)
"Time-shifting" is different than just recording and watching/listening later. So this iPodder thing may be a bit of a misnomer; it may not do true time-shifting. It has to be able to play the clips you're recording as you're recording them, at any point in the stream. Just "saving clips" to listen to later is not time-shifting.
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wowser, so much more than an mp3 player! (Score:4, Interesting)
DCVLB&*DFS
What can't the iPod do? (Score:4, Insightful)
CB*(#$@@!@
Re:What can't the iPod do? (Score:5, Interesting)
If iTMS is a loss-leader for the iPod, then the iPod is a leader for Macs. I'm all for Apple making a headless eMac. But until they do the eMac, which is itself an incredibly capable machine for its price, will probably be the first Mac many people own.
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Re:What can't the iPod do? (Score:4, Interesting)
Pitch control and cue points. Add those two features, and apple will find a large market of DJs that will buy them. Hell, I'd put off upgrading my mixer if Apple added those two features. I'd have a good portable music player for the bus and whatnot, and a small device I can hook up to my mixer so I can use digital music files, stuff I rip off CD or my own productions that I can't afford to press to vinyl in my sets. And it would open up a large amount of music, especially futurepop, that is disgustingly difficult to find in any quantity on vinyl.
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Re:What can't the iPod do? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What can't the iPod do? (Score:4, Interesting)
What makes you say that? The iPod follows Apple's other products in being (a) nicely designed (b) well built (c) very expensive. There are many competitors to the iPod, most of which offer additional features (of varying usefulness), and are cheaper (often very significantly). This is just like the PC market - Windows boxes are more numerous, usually not as well built/designed, but a lot cheaper. What surprises me is how the market seems to tolerate Apple's premium pricing for mp3 players but not for computers.
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Re:What can't the iPod do? (Score:3, Funny)
No, you're thinking of that other story [apple.com] posted on slashdot [slashdot.org]
Re:What can't the iPod do? (Score:3, Insightful)
this is new? (Score:2, Informative)
Adam Curry / Neal Stephenson connection (Score:3, Funny)
Correct me if I'm wrong ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Adam Curry is my hero (Score:2, Interesting)
I mean, Matt Pinfield knew a lot about music, but there's a difference between trivia and usefulness. Way to go Adam.
Don't I Already Do This With MPlayer? (Score:4, Interesting)
What about Replay Radio (Score:5, Informative)
Time-shifting? (Score:4, Funny)
(it's funny, try to laugh!
CB%^&*()
Let me get this straight (Score:5, Funny)
Shit.
I thought I could just hit the button and turn the volume control to skip back a few minutes.
Yes.. TimeShifting! (Score:5, Funny)
My website is now rendering multi tiered aggregate content to strategize user-centric metrics while orchestrating scalable synergies utilizing virtual timeshifted content.
Somebody buy me..
Please?
Re:Yes.. TimeShifting! (Score:3, Funny)
http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html to generate some of the description.
Give me pitch control.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Non-revolutionary? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, I know, it's nothing new, the whole automating the pulling down of content. What's really important is that a framework is being established. RSS is getting more and more popular by the day, and if producers of audio content get it together, and produce RSS feeds with enclosures pointing to the audio files, it becomes *extremely easy* for developers to write apps to handle that content, and *extremely easy* for users to get that content - automatically!
Adam knows he's not a brilliant programmer. He's a frustrated developer, who is really trying to kickstart this whole thing by enticing others to write better code than his, which is happening. It made me release my crappy perl code, and prompted others to start similar projects.
Heck, this is the Apple section of
I do this with my x-box (Score:3, Interesting)
How Come? (Score:4, Funny)
Recording streams have been around as long as streams themselves....I guess it was not a big deal until someone with an Ipod started recording streams.
Next we will read about "Ipod owner creates Hello World" and a "tetris clone".
Streamers for OS X (Score:3, Informative)
It's freeware; source is included; and I've just put up a sourceforge site for it.
Missing the point (Score:4, Informative)
1) The program uses encapusization in RSS feeds to grab media from timely updated web sites.
2) The program stores the media and transfers it to the iPod by way of iTunes.
It does not "record broadcasts from streams" any more than using Kazaa to download videos allows you to fast-forward through the boring bits in porn.
Essentially it expands on new RSS tools that give media sites the ability to post recently updated media resources.
Content? (Score:3, Informative)
I mean, as much as I like listening to IT babble all day, I get enough of that at work, and after work, and with my friends, etc. Sure would be nice if NPR, or CNN, or any new site not related to hard-core IT or crazy eclectic blogging supported RSS 2.0 with enclosures....
What iPodder is! (Score:3, Informative)
RSS is just an XML file, one of the tags is an enclosure tag, that tag specifies a link to an MP3 file of a new audio program that the author has posted online.
When the iPodder aggregator is run it checks for new MP3 files and downloads them into a playlist (Windows Media, iTunes, ect) that you can later sync up to a portable player.
Why is this needed? hell that should be simple for anyone using an aggregator at all. Its just easier to have this stuff come to you then for you to go out and be on the look out for new 'IT Conversations' or 'The Daily Source Code' episodes.
Yes the concept is simple, and very basic but it didn't exist before, so this fills a hole that a lot of listeners to these types of shows really needed.
After reading some of the comments about iPodder, I was more than a little confused on how so many people could wrap their heads around what iPodder does, I hope this helps (sorry that is late in coming)
Re:huh? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
Anything with iPod in the description apparently bypasses the submission queue.
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Re:huh? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Firefix extension (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:A little bit offtopic : Some help needed. (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.ipodlounge.com/ [ipodlounge.com]
Lots of good links, reviews and discussion there about all things iPod (software and hardware related).
Cheers.
Re:A little bit offtopic : Some help needed. (Score:3, Informative)
I don't have a PC, but I use Pod2Go [kainjow.com] to do a whole bunch of neat stuff, including keeping an auto-synced backup of my important files, like my iPhoto library.
Re:A little bit offtopic : Some help needed. (Score:4, Informative)
If you go to Versiontracker [versiontracker.com] you will find lots of cool software for the iPod and for iTunes if you enter iPod in their search box.
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Re:A little bit offtopic : Some help needed. (Score:3, Informative)
Don't forget hymn [hymn-project.org]. It allows you to convert protected AAC files that you purchase through the iTunes Music Store to unprotected AAC files that can be played back on any device, or with any piece of software, that supports AAC.
Just be sure to backup the original protected AAC file somewhere just in case. Oh and I wouldn't be sharing these unprotected files on any P2P service. It does remove the DRM, but it doesn't remove certain tags within the file (called atoms) that can uniquely identify the user who pu
Re:Time shifting? (Score:2)
Re:If ever there was a time (Score:5, Funny)
Dude, if you want a free iPod, just send me your bank account number and SSN. When I forward it my buddy the Prime Minister of Nigeria, he'll send you more than enough money to cover the cost of an iPod.
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