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Sony Rootkit Allegedly Contains LGPL Software
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CmdrTaco
on Tue Nov 15, 2005 08:19 AM
from the this-keeps-getting-funnier dept.
from the this-keeps-getting-funnier dept.
Deaths Hand writes "According to this Dutch article the Sony DRM software (or rootkit, if you may prefer) contains code from the LAME MP3 encoder project, which is licensed under the LGPL. However, the source code has not also been distrbuted, hence breaching the license. Here is an english translation of the page." So apparently Sony violates your privacy to create a backdoor onto your machine using code that violates an Open Source license. This story just keeps getting stranger.
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Takedown noticy against Sony (Score:5, Funny)
It serves them right! (Score:5, Funny)
Glee (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Glee (Score:5, Interesting)
I haven't bought a CD in years. It's put a big damper on my listening to new music, but it's just not worth it to support that industry. I've heard that Ani DiFranco's label is completely independent though, so I might go buy her stuff.
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Re:Glee (Score:5, Informative)
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Sneaky Sony (Score:5, Funny)
Next thing you know, they'll be after our precious bodily fluids.
More info (Score:5, Informative)
Check the bottom of my research page for info, http://hack.fi/~muzzy/sony-drm/ [hack.fi]
There's not much there at the moment but I'll be adding information as soon as everything can be properly confirmed and evidence gathered.
What's next? (Score:5, Funny)
- Sony rootkit eats kittens?
- Sony rootkit throws momma from the train?
- Sony rootkit spawns Darth Vader?
- Sony rootkit deflates tires of soccer moms?
- Sony rootkit steals cookies from girl scouts?
- Sony rootkit cheats at final exams?
- Sony rootkit pours hot grits down Natalie Portman's pants?
Re:What's next? (Score:5, Funny)
There, fixed that for you.
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It even has some GPL compnonets (Score:5, Interesting)
So it is not only LPGL, but also the more strict GPL. This is of coarse all meaningless if nobody from the mpg123 project steps out and tells sony to go with the license.
outdated info, it's LGPL nowadays (Score:5, Informative)
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tell the developers about the money (Score:5, Insightful)
Suppose the case settles for 10% and the lawyers take 90%. That leaves $750 per CD-ROM for the mpg123 developers. Now think about how many CD-ROMs have been produced.
Oh, what I'd give to have Sony infringe my open source project! The mpg123 developers are some lucky bastards for sure. I need to learn how to write Windows multimedia software instead of just Linux system software.
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Let EFF know what you think (Score:5, Interesting)
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Plus patents... (Score:5, Funny)
Baz
[1] in some lawyers opinion.... see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAME [wikipedia.org] for info.
Sony needs to protect its image... (Score:5, Insightful)
I also feel sorry for the poor chap who buys Ricky Martin, Neil Diamond or Celine Dion CDs, I really do.
Sony should have some kind of disclaimer about installing its bad software, maybe a 'Spyware Advisory' sticker? It is only fair.
Re:Sony needs to protect its image... (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, but what about the DRM issue on these CDs?
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Sabotage from within? (Score:5, Interesting)
The more I think about it, it really smells of dissention from within.
Either that or it looks to me like this is a mix of business people not understanding their market, customers, or technology and sloppy code work. I mean, what asshat would grab some open source code and not adhere to the license? It is either a tremendous faux pas on Sony's part, or there was some intentional act here to make this as reprehensible as possible.
Sort of like watching the music industry test the waters on this sort of thing and finding them extremely chilly.
Ironic? (Score:5, Insightful)
Second of all, am I the only one who finds it ironic that a DRM program designed to protect someone's copyrighted information is itself infringing on someone's copyright? I guess if Sony wants to fight those evil copyright violators they should start by putting themselves in jail.
In Case Anybody's Losing Track (Score:5, Informative)
What does the rootkit do when it detects LAME? (Score:5, Interesting)
So the interesting question is: what does the rootkit do when it detects LAME on your hard drive? Does it disable or corrupt LAME? Does it phone home? Does it automatically initiate an RIAA lawsuit?
*This* is what I think the next Sony class-action lawsuit should be about. I doubt there is enough grounds to get them on an LGPL copyright infringement suit.
2. Muzzy points out that the Sony uninstaller installs a "safe for scripting" Active-X control with remotely exploitable entry points for rebooting your machine and possibly for installing arbitrary code on your machine. More fuel for the tasty class action suits that are starting up.
3. Sony has done so many evil things with the rootkit fiasco (and we haven't discovered them all yet); the outrage is spreading, and it may lead to a major backlash against the whole industry practice of distributing corrupted CDs in the name of DRM. Here's hoping for a brighter tomorrow.
Doug Moen.
Not Sony (Score:5, Interesting)
But it's worth mentioning at this point that Sony didn't develop the software in question here - the XCP [xcp-aurora.com] software was developed by First4Internet [first4internet.com].
Not being a lawyer, or particularly knowledgable about (L)GPL terms, who could be held liable when a piece of software is developed by one party, but distributed by another? Is ignorance a defence, for instance if Sony said "We didn't know it had unlicensed code!", how would that affect things?
Re:Not Sony (Score:5, Insightful)
"I'm sorry sir but you're the owner. You owe $500,000 in damages."
They don't allow the "but I didn't know" explanation. Why should they be allowed to use it? I say try to nail them. They've done far worse to others.
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It's getting pulled anyhow (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/computersecurit
Jerry
http://www.cyvin.org/ [cyvin.org]
Re:It's getting pulled anyhow (Score:5, Insightful)
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/computersecurit
Are they also pulling all of the infected PCs in for free repairs?
No? Then let's not help these wankers by helping to spread their desperate PR pieces.
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How many of you have PS3's on preorder now? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Uuuuuh (Score:5, Informative)
No. You can link LGPLed software with proprietary software, but you must still distribute the sources of at least the free software (free as in RMS).
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"operating system on which the executable runs" (Score:5, Informative)
<sarcasm>Thus explaining why every single open source project includes the full GCC source tree with it?</sarcasm>
The GNU General Public License [gnu.org] and the GNU Lesser General Public License [gnu.org] have an operating system exemption. The exact wording of the exemption in both licenses is as follows:
True, the corner cases of this exemption have not been tested in a court of law, especially in conjunction with the "mere aggregation" exemption.
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Re:"operating system on which the executable runs" (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Uuuuuh (Score:5, Informative)
This software is licensed under the so called Lesser Gnu Public License (LGPL). According to this license Sony must comply with a couple of demands. Amongst others, they have to indicate in a copyright notice that they make use of the software. The company must also deliver the source code to the open-source libraries or otherwise make these available. And finally, they must deliver or otherwise make available the in between form between source code and executable code, the so called objectfiles, with which others can make comparable software.
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Notification? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Notification? (Score:5, Funny)
This is the problem with the viral nature of the GPL and even the LGPL licenses and is why you should really consider using BSD licensed software in your DRM rootkits in the future. Screw the FSF!
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Nope. (Score:5, Informative)
That being said, from what I've read it appears that the Sony DRM code may be looking for LAME on the system (to block it from working on their 'protected' stuff) but doesn't appear to actually contain LAME code.
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Almost. (Score:5, Informative)
Not necessarily. The only requirement is that the end-user can recreate the end result by modifying the LGPL part. This can also be met by distibuting statically linked binaries and all
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no excuse (Score:5, Interesting)
Since Sony already argues against fair use of samples, one need only supply the court
with Sony's own arguments against fair use.
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Re:Uuuuuh (Score:5, Informative)
No, Sony would have been ok if they had installed a README with their rootkit explaining that their digital rights management solution contained code distributed under the LGPL license, and direct users of the software to a website containing the source code.
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Re:Uuuuuh (Score:5, Funny)
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WRONG (Score:5, Interesting)
If Sony don't provide the source they must make THE source available to all third parties for at least 3 years.
This is an obligation they must fulfil.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#Distribu
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCSourc
Merely pointing to "a website" or "the website we got it from" is not enough.
You have to make-sure-it-stays-there. And thats not enough.
You also have to let people request it by mail charging only a minimal fee.
You have to track your releases and make sure you keep the source of each release seperately so you can give people the source to the version they had.
Too many people consider only casually the obligation that the GPL puts on them. GPL is not an easy way out.
It's easy to receive GPL software because the burden is on the distributor, but you must understand and fulfil the burden when you are the distributor.
With most commercial software you pay some money before you receive it but you still have to follow the license guidelines.
Is it too often for me to say again that too many people distibute binary packages to open source software and distribute the source they compile to make the binary package but do not distribute the source to making the binary package; i.e. the
Sam
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Re:Well, hang on a minute (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Thank god! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Thank god! (Score:5, Insightful)
Not sure about the English language, but in my own we have a saying for this: "Do what I say, not what I do"
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Re:Thank god! (Score:5, Interesting)
Yup, that's right. The thing that kills me is that certain members of our government are busy drafting legislation that would make criminal penalties against copyright infringement harsher [slashdot.org], including jail time. No doubt Sony is a sponsor of this bill - or at least the RIAA/MPAA, of which Sony is a member. Yet do you think that Sony would ever be concerned about holding themselves to the same standard? Would they, as a sponsor of this proposed legislation, support the CEO, CIO, chief architect, programmer, or otherwise spending some time in jail for an LGPL or GPL copyright violation?
The double standard kills me, and in cases like this where Sony's actions are quite simply audacious, I almost start to feel physical anger. I'm tired of being treated like a criminal, and it's really about time that a company like Sony be held responsible for the huge amount of personal and other violations that they have trampled on with this one single action of releasing this software.
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GPL gives rights beyond copyright law (Score:5, Interesting)
The thing that people don't seem to realize is that if the GPL doesn't hold any water (and it may not), then the whole thing just collapses back to plain old copyright law. In that case, they can't copy and sell the code at all without permission from the writer.
If I write a book and release it on the internet for everybody to download for free, you still can't copy and sell it without my permission. The fact that the code is offered for free doesn't mean that the writer has given up his rights to the work. In fact it is the GPL that gives people the right to copy and sell the work, if they follow the rules outlined in it. Breaking the GPL means you don't have permission to copy and sell the works at all. It is the GPL itself that makes it legal for people to copy and sell GPLed work. Without the GPL it's just plain ol' copyright infringement.
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Re:Code vs metadata (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Code vs metadata (Score:5, Interesting)
Are you arguing that the included code is being used in a way that violates Fair Use, or that simply including the code for comparison (as the grandparent argues) is not fair use? I can't imagine why Sony would need to "use" several MP3 encoders (this comment [slashdot.org] links to a list of them) to actually encode music. Thus, I would assume that Sony is including bits of code from these programs in order to prevent them from running. Is that a violation of the LGPL?
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Re:Code vs metadata (Score:5, Insightful)
To my knowledge, there is no fair use right that covers distribution in any form except for first sale, which doesn't apply here and only arguably applies to digital distribution at all.
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... or maybe yes (Score:5, Interesting)
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LAME is in there, just not in GO.EXE (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:So... How about them statutory damages... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:LGPL (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:I don't get it (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, according to some people who have had to exorcise the demon from their windows PC, what happened after installing the rootkit is that MP3 files ripped from other CDs came back worse to wear, with noise, loss of quality and whatnot.
If that is true, you can probably connect the dots easily and see what Sony was after
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