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The Physics of Superheroes
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on Mon Sep 11, 2006 03:15 PM
from the rotational-velocity-of-the-hulk dept.
from the rotational-velocity-of-the-hulk dept.
peterwayner writes "There are few corners of the world that are more closely associated with the word "nerd" than comic books and physics. Despite the large overlap in the fan base, the two disciplines seem doomed to live forever in different corners of our minds. Superheroes don't have to obey the laws of physics and that's probably what makes them so attractive to the poor physicists who labor long and hard in the hope of making those laws work correctly. James Kakalios, a physics professor at the University of Minnesota, has produced a book, "The Physics of Superheroes" (now in paperback). The surprise is that the two don't behave like matter and anti-matter. They don't explode on contact." Read the rest of Peter's review.
There's no reason to spoil the book. You'll have to read it if you want to know why Superman can't change history, how Magneto becomes Electro when he runs, and whether Spiderman could really do those amazing things with spider silk. Some of the chapters are devoted to celebrating the accuracy of the comic strips by working through the physical equations. Much of what the comic book writers imagined is actually pretty reasonable. These sections bring new discipline to those old debates over who's stronger, bigger or most capable.
Other sections spell out just how wrong some of the assumptions are. Even when he's deflating the hopes of those kids who wish they could fly like Superman, he uses the disconnection with reality as a chance to riff on some what-if questions. What if Superman came from a planet that had a gravitational field 15 times stronger than earth? Would he be able to leap tall buildings? And then what would happen to a planet that was 15 times denser than earth? Would it fly apart as it rotated? Could you build one by just making a bigger version of Earth? What if you put some superdense material in the center of your new Earth? These are the questions that Kakalios works through.
The core theorem or narrative device of the book (choose your point of view) is that comic book authors can't bend too many rules. In fact, they usually can't get away with breaking more one or two. Then the hero must live a conventional life in our world and that's what makes it interesting. Spiderman may have a superstrong webbing, but he's still as vulnerable to depression as the next man. Batman may have unlimited wealth, but that won't bring back his parents. To paraphrase Robert Frost, comic book authors aren't playing tennis without a net.
In this world, science and comic narrative aren't bizarro versions of each other. Stories are sort of like free-form experiments where the scientist tries to change just one thing and measure the results. From this viewpoint, there's little difference between the two disciplines. A comic book is just a shorthand version of a scientific experiment.
This link implies an interesting and perhaps dangerous notion: science is just a longhand version of comic books. Sure, the folks at the cell phone companies have been striving mightily to make real that button on James T. Kirk's chest. That's the good news. But what about the darker notions? Anyone who's dealt with the side-effects of supposedly safe drugs like Vioxx knows that the bench scientists are as constrained as the comic book authors. They've got to come up with research that satisfies their customers and provide a simple resolution before that customer loses interest. (And won't those scientists come up with an ending for the debate about the link between cell phone-brain cancer before a jury does?)
But such speculation may kill the fun in the book. It's really just an excuse to toss around some equations and ask "what if" with a bit more rigor. This book may not be a grand, unifying theorem for the big plots of comic books and the big theories of science, but it's a neat first cut. It's as fascinating as much for its nuts and bolts description of physics as its offhand way of mixing together mathematical frameworks with narrative understanding.
Bio: Peter Wayner is the author of 13 books like Translucent Databases and Disappearing Cryptography .
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At least spoil _something_ (Score:5, Insightful)
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At a quick glance, it looks good, the author seems to have a good grasp of physics.
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From memory (so take with a grain of salt), I can remember an example dealing with a little known superhero named "Ant Man" who, obviously could become super small (or was always super small?), and yet had strength and inertia comperable to a full grown man...Wonder why he didn't catch on?
There was another one...I believe it was some villian
Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex (Score:5, Funny)
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Batman (Score:2, Funny)
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</sadcomicnerd>
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Kirk's chest (Score:5, Informative)
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Science Friday Inteview (Score:5, Informative)
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The Physics Course (Score:4, Informative)
They calculate the outrageous amount of food that Superman needs to eat on a daily basis. They use different examples to figure out what Spider-Man's web can and can't do and go so far as to calculate the tensile strength of a fresh web.
He told me lots of other neat examples that I can't even recall right now. I've been told that it's a great book and a great course.
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They tried doing something similar with "The Flash," where-as he pulls power from something called the "Speed Force." This is also why he doesn't leave massive crater
Riddle me this one, batman (Score:2)
Re:Riddle me this one, batman (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Riddle me this one, batman (Score:5, Funny)
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"You can run, Vader, but I'll get you! You can't hide behind that red sun forever!
"Oops..."
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As for the force, though, with proper control and concentration "size matters not." I still don't think that the force can overcome temporal
Krypton, a victim of the Death Star (Score:5, Funny)
It is rather suspicious that Krypton exploded in much the same manner as Alderaan. My only guess would be that the Vader saw this move coming while Kal-El was still a baby.
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Comic Book Guy (Score:3, Funny)
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Physics (Score:4, Interesting)
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(caveat - I've never been to New York, but in Toronto you'd be able to go about three city blocks, straight up Bay Street, and nowhere else).
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Correction... (Score:2)
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sorry, couldn't resist
superman solar power (Score:2)
Physics has no place in comics (Score:2, Insightful)
Who is better? (Score:2)
Mighty Mouse or Superman
Ofcourse it was only a one-sided debate, as I am an only child.
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Mighty Mouse is a cartoon.
Superman is a real guy. No way a cartoon could beat up a real guy.
Similar slashdot story from 2004 (Score:2)
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/
Wow. I remember that story, and it seemed like 6 months ago. Scary.
Ghost World (Score:2)
Biggest complaint about messed up superhero physic (Score:2)
The real problem I have is the "super strength" type characters, and how they interact with the rest of the physical world. I'm down with super strength, that's a
It's a good book (Score:2, Informative)
Which superheroes? (Score:3, Interesting)
A Superman who can push the Earth out of its orbit isn't fun for a writer to work with, any more than it is for reader above the age of 5 to enjoy.
A specific incident that comes to mind, probably from the late '80's. I believe it was "Legion of Superheroes" #38, where the writer (Paul Levitz?) had Mon-El deliver a white dwarf star to Earth, as part of a complex plot, to act as a power source for one of Brainiac 5's experiments. The resulting letters page a few issues later completely humbled the writer, with the readers taking him to task for violating the many laws of physics that would have resulted in the Earth's complete destruction. Some readers went into great detail about where the author went wrong, and Levitz actually apologized.
Writers have to be more careful because their readers routinely take them to task when they go too far.
I can think of one thing... (Score:2)
The Motherfucking Flash (Score:4, Funny)
Look at Batman. His power? The anti-power. Sure, he should be some tame, kung fun master of not much, but instead he's the hottest shit to ever shit on a plate. You got a power? He'll find your weakness and give you seizures or heart attacks. He'll light you on fire when you're sleeping or make you recharge your green lantern ring in the power outlet. Ten thousand volts of fuck you batman. That's Batman.
But the fucking Flash, my god, my FUCKING GOD, this man has the greatest powers of all. If Superman's powers are being sucked off by twin super models and batman coming home to discover your wife is not only bisexual but has two friends she wants you to 'get in on' then the Flash is an orgy with a thousand women who also want to pay your World of Warcraft billing. And click the mouse for you. This man is just that fucking hot. They have to power him down in the comics half the time just to keep him from doing everyone else's job.
Ok first off, he can travel at lightspeed. Mother fuck! Not only does he travel at lightspeed, but time slows down for him. So he feels like he's having a casual jog or reading the paper, meanwhile, his feet are moving so fast you can hear him coming from Montana while he's already gotten to Arizona. That's fucking fast. But wait! The ability to move at Lightspeed just isn't fucking enough!
I know! Christ this guy can punch you so many times in a second you've been hit five times in the cock and two times everywhere else. You think you're about to fight the Flash and then it hits you, for the last split second he's beaned your beanbags with more blows than you had sperm. But no, there's more!
The Flash can also vibrate through walls. Now last I heard, you can not move so fast you can vibrate through walls, so what actually happens is the Flash is so fast he can pick and choose the movement of his individual molecules and move them through other solid objects, phasing through solid matter like it ain't no thing. I mean you think a guy who runs at lightspeed would run into shit but no, the Flash just goes right through them. To top that with a cherry and some whipped cream (which the Flash made in like a millisecond, fucker) he can selectively choose to cause objects to be "okay" afterwards or FUCKING EXPLODE. That's right. He can run through you and make you blow up by transfering kinetic energy into you. Like Jesus. IT's bad enough you can't hit this guy, but he doesn't even have to punch you. Now your testicles have exploded and you're thinking you're about to hit him. Jesus? Just give it up. He's the fucking Flash.
Now imagine that somehow there's someone who can get around the Flash blowing your balls up secret ninja technique. Ok. He can also control the flow of energy between objects. This power makes no sense but basically he can throw a rock at you, and you think it's going slow and then he's like WHOOHOOO WIZARDLY FLASH POWERS and bam it's going at lightspeed. So he can throw seven million rocks at you in a second then make them all goes different speeds thus striking your nads with seven million rocks one after the other.
But wait! There's more! He can also take energy from the very power of speed and make clothes out of it. Yes. Flash makes his pants out of GOES FAST. The man is so fast he can make Flash pants that GOES FAST go right into. I don't even start to understand the physics of that but basically SPEED == REALLY TIGHT UNDERWEAR AND COOL LIGHTNING THINGIES OVER T
It was a nerd test (Score:5, Funny)
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Nice product pitch there (Score:2)
Four years research (Score:2)
The whole ketosis/glycogen super-compensation cycle is a trip-and-a-half. When properly executed, your muscles get so freakin' big it's like looking at someone else's body. After my first successful carbload, I went to the gym and I couldn't believe the strength and stamina I had. I just kept going and going with bench press and shoulder presses until I got bored. I did not get tired, and I was lift
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Unless caffene is a damper every nerd would be a superhero, and Beefy would dwarf superman (in strength).
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How the hell is spam modded up like this? Bullshit organ-damaging inducing diet, and that neural drive crap, if it works, sounds like a good way to get tendonitis. Yay lifelong crippling injuries!
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Depends on your activity level and muscle recruitment after the carbload (aka glycogen super-compensation). Let me explain how it works: 1) you strip every last vestige of glycogen from your liver and your muscles (it's not as bad as it sounds) using a low-carb diet and exercise that induces a state of ketosis. 2) Once this is achieved and you're muscle cells are starving for glycogen, you ingest high glycemic foods to raise insulin levels and transport nourishment and glycogen back i
Re:Superheroes... Physics... Tenuous Connection! (Score:5, Funny)
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