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How Microsoft Can Make Zune a Success
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on Thu Mar 29, 2007 02:31 PM
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jcatcw writes "Zune had potential, but 5 months in it barely gets passing grades. According to the article, there are five things Microsoft must change: 1) The built-in Wi-Fi, aka 'the social,' was a bad idea. 2) Tell newbies what it can do. 3) Create a low-end, flash-based player. 4) Push subscriptions. 5) Make it sexy. A Microsoft representative said, about the wireless concept: 'We felt we were addressing the social aspect of music, and the research we've done has shown that people understand the concept that wireless enables sharing ... but the tagline, while provocative, hasn't meant a lot to consumers.'"
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Here's an idea (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Here's an idea (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Here's an idea (Score:5, Insightful)
DRM is to data what the OS is to program. You don't write your program to work on multiple platforms (with some exceptions), you write software to a specific platform. Microsoft knows this. They are happy to have your software product locked into their OS because it props up their monopoly.
DRM will do the same thing except at the content level. Gates stated that content consumption is the future of computing and that most computers are used to consume that content. Giving them control of DRM, at any level, gives them a monopoly into another market.
If you do not enjoy knowing that Microsoft is spying on you with WGA/WGN and other features of Vista then you should move to another platform now and ensure that those favorite movies, music, etc aren't going to be purchases that lock you into a platform that provides Microsoft with the power to spy on you.
Microsoft has become hostile to its customers and Ballmer is getting hostile toward Linux users. You want to support a company that is hostile not only to its competition but also to its customers? You would not be seeing this had there been adequate competition all along.
To limit your access to content and hence choice is to allow Microsoft to implement their DRM into your OS and into your devices. This is not something we want. We want less encroachment into our lives. We don't let the police encroach on your life and you should not let private entities encroach. To allow this is to say that it is all right for everyone to have their rights encroached.
Linux is the only true answer. It currently out paces the Macintosh world wide and is growing by leaps and bounds. With the distro's such as Ubuntu you can have a fantastic desktop environment that plays your movies, music, and other forms of content without those spying prying hostile hands of the convicted monopolist. Linux protects your privacy. Linux protects your future, our future.
To promote the Zune as a media player worthwhile is to tell everyone that you accept that Microsoft should have control over DRM in that market. We don't want that, we don't need that. We don't need the mediocre nature of Microsoft's products. We need to rapid solid development that projects such as Ubuntu provide us.
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Tell newbies what IS can do (Score:5, Funny)
What "is" can do?!?
I'm still trying to figure out what the MEANING of "is" is! [slate.com]
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Missing Steps (Score:5, Funny)
7) Profit
A success? (Score:5, Funny)
So get him to hate it and you'll be all set.
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2059039,00.a
Zune? (Score:5, Funny)
Do like they do with everything else... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Do like they do with everything else... (Score:5, Insightful)
I dare you to name five.
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Re:Do like they do with everything else... (Score:5, Funny)
2. Windows ME [wikipedia.org]
3. The BSOD [wikipedia.org]
4. Microsoft Bob [wikipedia.org]
5. The Three-Finger Salute [wikipedia.org]
Is there a prize?
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Re:Do like they do with everything else... (Score:4, Funny)
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I will take that dare (Score:5, Funny)
1) Lying to the US-DoJ with video-taped testomony - and getting away with it.
2) Astroturf campaign which included letters from dead people - and getting away with it.
3) Hiring dying micro-cap companies to file bogus lawsuits, and make outragous claims against the competition - and getting away with it.
4) Creating fake think-tanks that insist the msft is always right, and any action against msft would be anti-capitialist - and getting away with it.
5) Secretly funded, rigged, benchmark and TCO "studies" - and getting away with it.
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Re:Do like they do with everything else... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Do like they do with everything else... (Score:5, Informative)
If you actually want to learn something, instead of just spouting uninformed anti-Microsoft rhetoric, I suggest you read Andy Tanenbaum's excellent Modern Operating Systems [amazon.co.uk], which covers UNIX/Linux and NT in some detail, highlighting their similarities and differences in both philosophy and implementation.
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Re:Do like they do with everything else... (Score:5, Informative)
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Microsoft iPod video (Score:3, Informative)
The "Microsoft iPod" brought to you by Microsoft. (Score:3, Informative)
That's what really does it for me -- they know how mediocre an organization they are, but yet they can't seem to stop being lame.
iPod? (Score:3, Insightful)
Reversed Stories? (Score:4, Funny)
And right below it: "Dvorak to Apple: Stop the iPhone"
Logically, you would need to s/Microsoft/Apple, s/Zune/iPhone, s/Apple/Microsoft, s/iPhone/Zune to have proper Slashdot-conforming headlines
Wifi (Score:5, Insightful)
Crippled as it is, though, it's worthless. It's always the same. Who wants to buy a player that gives you less than other players?
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SWAG (Score:3, Funny)
Stop relying on United Parcel Service (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, though - if they want to make the hardware a success, go find some balls and tell the recording industry they can take their DRM and shove it where the sun don't shine. Once they're done with that, make the thing scream over Wifi. g is good, n is better. Wifi sync. Bluetooth A2DP. Make it play most audio formats - it's not like there's a shortage of ram for the codecs - use the power used for DRM overhead to put in better decoding.
Quit trying to help the content industry screw the consumers, and it might have a chance - take that 11 digit warchest and help make DRM a thing of the past, and make the Zune the central figure in the battle.
Or just satisfy yourself that apple will always be cooler than you, and your products will always suck.
MS has never made cool stuff (Score:3, Interesting)
The ipod is low on features, but high on style. That just shows that features are not what make this kind of product. The ipod is iconic - you really struggle to find any way to dislodge that.
MS has always been high on features/low on style (eg. Office).
MP3 players are not technical products. They are fashion statements. What sane kid will walk around with a Brown Zune Turd in their pocket?
If MS h
Push Subscriptions? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Why is it not compelling? (Score:3, Insightful)
Lets say most music fans own 100 cds, and perhaps they paid an average of $12 a disc for them. That's a one time investment of $1200 and they get to keep the music forever.
Now if you take that $1200 and put it in a savings account at 5%, then you should get back $60 year. I pay $60/year for my Yahoo Unlimited subscription.
Hence unlimited music forever costs the same as having 100 cds forever. Now it's possible that market forces will change
Re:Why is it not compelling? (Score:4, Insightful)
The question really is, do most people buy 100 new CDs every year? If you're constantly chasing after the latest releases and rarely revisit the same albums after a few months, subscription is probably a smart move. In my case, though, it's a horrible idea. In the last 5 years I purchased maybe ten albums, either physically or through iTunes. I have no interest whatsoever in 99.99999% of the turds the music industry craps out every year; I only want a few specific albums from specific artists to add to my collection, and I'll revisit those albums constantly. Subscription would merely condemn me to constantly paying for something I could have bought once and kept forever.
And I'm betting the majority of the market is more like me than not. If most people were going to buy a player based on whether or not it allowed them access to a music subscription model, they already would have. There's no shortage of such offerings; they're all fairly miserable failures. The only demographic that seems likely to constantly be chasing the new releases and abandoning older albums is the teen demographic, who largely lack the credit cards needed to commit to subscription services, and their parents aren't apparently interested in paying $20 a month so their kids can download the latest shit from whoever.
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Zune Frustrations, 1.3, et al (Score:5, Interesting)
First off, there has been a skipping issue on some units (mine included), a workaroudn for it meant leaving display on 100% of the time, which did wonders for the battery. Plus, at times navigating in its menus, while they were laid out, it would just lag behind your clicks and presses, then suddenly catch up and do everything you did in frustration.
Okay, they had a patch in the works for this, firmware 1.3. Rumor had it would be out yesterday.. it actually did make it out today. But even the execution of this shows carelessness...
For example. the www.zune.net website was down 24 hours tuesday for maintenance. Okay, I understand sometimes you gotta do that, but you're telling me they couldn't put up a mirror? All attempts to do stuff on that day produced an error, and when it did, it would direct you to www.zune.net/support. which didn't come up. You didnt' get the maintenance message even unless you went to www.zune.net (even zune.net failed to do this).
Okay, the patch came out next day, the site's back up. It tells me I have an update. Says downloading... then returns an error message of "unable to update sync settings at this time". calling zune support they have me update the zune software. Same. They have me install zune software on another machine. Same. I told them from the start that I've seen others posting about this on some zune boards. uh-huh. Since I'd redone zune software from their own website, the guy now wants me to instead reinstall it from the original CD, which is lying somewhere in a box in a garage. Most drivers and software should like be obselete by the time you get them, but this is apparently their standard procedure, never mind how that is going to fix what isn't coming through from their website.
I'm still trying to get 1.3 on my zune now, some 10 hours after first trying. Oh, and btw, the patch notes they have for the 1.3 are verbatim copied from the patch notes from 1.2, including the note about how this includes everything from 1.1 and earlier. (as if 1.2 is not included). Again, its like how much care and effort are they putting into this.
Oh, but Zune has exciting things on the way, they announced a pink zune. That will get their cool factor going, no doubt.
Given what microsoft did in the past to people who adopted their tech (playsforsure), I have a real uneasy feeling that they'll release some new hardware that abandon the current zune.
I want to like this thing, I really do. But they make it so hard. I *do* like the zune pass, it makes most of the frustrations worth it for me, given that I'd downloaded what would have been about $6000-$7000 worth of songs directly if I'd bought them. I like not caring which version of a song I get. I like the look and feel of the player. But they find a way to kill it. Its like Isaiah Thomas is running the Zune team. I know J Allard is supposed to be in charge of it now, but is it really his main focus? I haven't seen any drastic changes since they put him back in charge of it, and quite honestly in his shoes I'd be wanting to go on to other things by now anyway.
That's pretty much how I feel about it at this time...
Re:Zune Frustrations, 1.3, et al (Score:4, Insightful)
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the real way to instant zune 2.0 success? (Score:5, Interesting)
Seriously, that's it.
There are some details involved, so I'll be more specific:
add wireless shopping over wifi.
allow wireless transfer of any data file. (music/pics/vids/arbitrary data)
don't add DRM to media that didn't start with it. (seriously: how dumb was that?)
allow wireless syncing and reverse syncing. (moving tunes from the Zune to the PC)
allow the playback of wireless media that isn't done copying (just buffer it up and let it rip).
allow wireless transfers in the background. (while listening to something else, while doing something else, etc)
Do that, and you actually deliver an experience that the iPod doesn't.
The experience the Zune promised but failed at so horribly that it might as well not exist.
oh and it'd be nice if the Zune would mount as a generic USB volume, so it could be used to ferry about and wirelessly share arbitrary data files.
Beats PSP? (Score:3, Interesting)
And overall, which one is the better buy? What if you own an XBox, or if you own a PS3? How about cross-brand, is either portable anything but useless with the cross-brand console?
Here's how (Score:3, Interesting)
Not at all, just very badly implemented, let users really share music rather than crippling it. This is actually the best selling point of the device as it is the only thing unique about the zune.
2) Tell newbies what it can do.
Hm, this is a poor recommendation, its like saying 'sell more of them'. I think their tagline must be changed ASAP, enter the social just doesn't make sense, as the MS rep knows, I'm sure they are already working on this one.
3) Create a low-end, flash-based player.
The best idea here, remove wifi and hd, make it thinner, add 4-8gb of flash and sell it for $99, that would be awesome.
4) Push subscriptions.
Don't you think they are already doing this, it doesn't matter how much you push subscriptions, if the person doens't have the device why the hell are they going to subscribe. Perhaps give away devices for subscription plans, like cell phones.
5) Make it sexy.
Yes turd brown was a very bad color, it is mute and relaxed and I actually like it, but it doesn't nothing for selling the things, or at least offer all colors including shiney ones, and not just crap brown quake ones.
unleash what it can do.... (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem is MS neutered it so badly that it is simply worthless. Ways to fix? Some of these were mentioned before.
A) Full sync over wireless
B) If a file does not have DRM on it, dont PUT DRM ON IT.
C) Allow people to have a "Sharing" folder or flag. People within wifi distance could then listen to a snip of songs that were sharable and request if they wanted a copy of the song.
D) Allow for an architecture that would let people set up a "broadcaster" to send/sell songs out to those who request them. For instance, at a live local show the band could have a laptop running in the merchandise booth that gives out a free song from the band to whoever has a Zune and is nearby. Maybe giving them an option to buy the album electronically. Places like Starbucks could then also be music retailers selling their music they play electronically.
E) Give people a "listen along" option other than "squirting" a song across. That way if you're doing something like working out with a friend you can listen to the friends play list at the same time they are.
Now admittedly, these won't happen because as has also been mentioned MS would have to tell the media industries to shove DRM requirements up somewhere which makes stuff the same color as some Zunes.
My suggestions. (Score:4, Insightful)
2. Work with Windows MediaPlayer. You know like Play for Sure devices do.
3. WiFI sync.
4. Allow me to sync with my 360 content. Why the heck do we have Play for sure, XBL market place, and the Zune Marketplace??????
5. Good car interfaces.
Look to the XBox (Score:4, Insightful)
There's your problem! (Score:4, Insightful)
Except that it doesn't enable sharing! At least not in a timely fashion and not without encumbering it with the most restrictive DRM ever.
The sharing idea is nice, but I wonder if it would have been more effective if it were implemented using Bluetooth -- allowing a Zune to essentially act as a wireless headphone to another. This way you can hear what I'm hearing and I can play DJ for a group of friends (if I had any). If you like a song you can tag it and download/purchase it later. This seems much more social and no one needs to get squirted.
Core problems. (Score:5, Insightful)
First, design and develop the product from scratch. One of the reasons the iPod is a success is because Apple is involved in every aspect of that device's development. First, Apple has a clear design concept. Keep things simple. It drives the look and feel of both the hardware and software. Secondly, everything is done within a single company and there is obviously open communication between the various departments responsible for it's development. This ensures the software works seamlessly with the hardware. It's why the device is so easy to use. I'm convinced this is why a true competitor to the iPod doesn't yet exist.
So this was Microsoft's first problem. They took an existing Toshiba MP3 player, gave it a new shell and had to develop software around that. They should have set up a partnership with a manufacturer and had them build a device around their own specs. That's obviously a lot more expensive, but if they want to seriously compete with the iPod they can't compromise.
As I've mentioned, Microsoft limited by the fact that they were working around an existing device. But I think they made a few design mistakes. I actually thought the brown version wasn't too bad. But I do agree, brown isn't usually on the top of anyone's list for colors they'd like to see electronics come in.
I imagine the decision was made to go with unconventional colors to steer away from everyone trying to knock off the iPod's color scheme. I do tend to find it annoying that everyone just copies what Apple does. Apple's products look nice, but there's untold potential for different and equally attractive designs.
In general I thought the Zune was attractive. But it doesn't quite have the elegance of an iPod. Interestingly, although it isn't really much larger than an iPod. But it looks gigantic whereas the iPod looks smaller than it is.
And of course, another big flaw in the Zune is limited functionality. Well, it's more of a problem that Microsoft promoted the hell out of some features, like WIFI, but then crippled the hell out of them with DRM crap.
Contrary to what Apple's marketing department claims, Apple doesn't really innovate. They don't try to implement all the latest features into their products. However, I think that's what makes them so successful. What features their products do have work extremely well and are easy to use. Apple knows how to keep things simple.
Given how Microsoft does things I don't think this is a problem they'll ever be able to overcome.
Zune enterprise edition (Score:3, Interesting)
More features would help... (Score:3, Interesting)
Granted there may be some security aspects to having a player which can synchronise over the network or do rudimentary web browsing even if it's just to browse the URGE store, what about the ability to plug it right into your digital camera and offload the photos, does it do TV output like the iPod, could it play standard MPEG4/AAC video (like the iPod) rather than WMA (no reason why all the Zune tools can't stick to WMV/WMA though, the same way nobody has to play URGE WMA rather than MP3). What about plugging it into your HiFi and streaming from Windows Media Player 11?
On "the social"... (Score:3, Interesting)
The quote points out incredibly well what the problem with "the social" was: it was a tagline, nothing more. In order to run "the social" as the tagline for the launch campaign, Microsoft marketing had to ignore:
Eh...I've ranted about this so many times I can't rant no more. If you actually want to read more about it, check out the Zunebox Proposal [thezunebox.com] or the catalog of failure and incompetence [blackmailr.com] that is the blog posts I've written about the Zune's marketing.
Here's my list of things to make it a success: (Score:3, Interesting)
2. It must have click wheel or some other sort of touch sensitive technology that allows me to intuitively navigate and quickly change volume.
3. Wi-Fi sharing must work over the internet. I mean, really, why the fuck not?
4. It must be able to stream music from my PC wirelessly.
5. It must cost $50 less than iPod.
6. A marketing campaign without penises and asses in commercials.
Tall order? You bet. But that's what you have to do when you're entering a well established market.
5) Make it sexy (Score:4, Funny)
Hire Steve Jobs? (Score:4, Funny)
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It depends on what your definition of 'is' is.
--WJC
Missing part of post (Score:5, Funny)
And if I ever touch the iPod again, my dad said he'd throw another chair at me.
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Re:They Will Be Fine (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, that showed that Apple gave people the features they really wanted, and not the features overly-techy nerds decided they should want.
Here is where the gulf between Slashdot/Nerd culture and wider culture is most easily seen. Technofetishists see their computers and associated technology as an end unto itself: the fact that you got Beryl running on an unsupported video card, or that your mp3 player has two features no other one has, is enough to make it interesting. Most people in wider culture--the people you need to make a product a real hit--don't care about the technology in and of itself. They care about what the tech can do for them. So the fact that the iPod was and is relatively small and lightweight is a huge selling point. It easily fits into the pockets of a pair of jeans. I remember a lot of the early commentary on the iPod, a lot of which started with ,"well, my mp3 player is only 25% larger than the iPod. . ."
Although I have no insider knowledge, I will bet a month's Manhattan rent that Apple did a lot of research as to which features people really wanted in their portable devices before making the iPod. I'm sure they still do this. This is the reason they're so successful in the mp3 arena. It's not because of the usual Slashdot reasons, which usually boil down to 'people are dumb sheep and will buy whatever you tell them to.' It's because they sell a device which is simple to use and simple to understand.
The OSS community actually needs more thinking like this. The question shouldn't be, "why is Linux so cool?" The question should be, "how does Linux make my life easier than other operating systems?"
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