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Hulu Launches With Few YouTube Killing Qualities
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on Mon Oct 29, 2007 03:45 PM
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from the controlled-content-delivery dept.
Hulu.com, the online video venture from NBC Universal and News Corp., has launched a private beta program. Early reports suggest it's far from being a YouTube killer. "Although Hulu's parent companies have done a lot of things right with the service, the scheduling leaves something to be desired. For the time being, the site will only feature five weeks worth of content for any given show. From there, it's assumed that older content will get the boot in favor of newer episodes and movies. This isn't necessarily a deal breaker for us, but for a lot of viewers this will prevent the service from becoming with online video Shangri-La they'd imagined. Furthermore, with the lack of user-generated content, it falls short of the end-all be-all site for online video. Viewers are still going to go to YouTube and still click their ads -- but in terms of piracy a minor rebellion may have been quelled."
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A better Youtube killer (Score:5, Informative)
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Problem with stage6 is that their search features are horrendous. No exact string searches or the ability to "drill down" with advanced search that I can find.
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Works in both safari and firefox for me. I'd start looking at something more user specific like plugins or some such. Been using stage6 for a good while now.
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"For Linux support try Mplayer"
Nice to see a non flash driven site
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Um... but the question remains (Score:5, Interesting)
I thought they were just trying to provide a service where you can get their videos through a medium that they control ?
Also, (while I didn't RTFA), if they provide full length episodes in a single stream then they do offer something over Youtube. While I can often find complete episodes on youtube they need to be broken up in to 10 minute clips and sometimes you find the first 10 minutes and then can't find the rest of the episode and that's really annoying.
From the summary it sounds like their major "gripe" (for lack of a better word) is the lack of user generated content and only fresh episodes
Re:Um... but the question remains (Score:4, Funny)
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Actually, it's a different question (Score:5, Insightful)
To me, it's an entirely different question.
Can I watch it on my television?
I think it's really weird that Amazon.com, Hulu, Netflix, and so many others think that I watch television on my computer. I don't. I watch television on... well, I watch it on my television.
Now, I know, some of you have fancy media PCs set up so that you can watch television on your computer on your television, and if you do, congratulations, sounds like you've got a nice setup. But the vast majority of people don't.
A while back, I bought one of the AppleTV boxes. Know why? So that I can watch television on my television, not on my computer. So now, I buy shows from iTunes. I've also been known to rent a movie or two on my Xbox 360, which is also hooked up to... well, you already know what it's hooked up to, right?
So to NBC, and to anyone else who wants me to watch their stuff, unless it's short clips that are posted on sites like YouTube, it doesn't matter how great the quality your programming is, it doesn't matter how simple it is to download and watch it on my computer. If you can't give me a relatively simple way to watch it on my television, I'm not going to be watching it. Period, end of story.
By the way, that's one of the things that would be so hypothetically great about downloading torrents of movies and/or television shows, if I participated in such illegal activities. With a few button presses, I could have a DVD copy of anything I download to watch at my leisure... ON MY TELEVISION!
Come back when shows on Hulu can be watched on an AppleTV, or when you're willing to let me burn a copy to DVD. Maybe then, we'll talk. (Somehow, I kind of doubt we'll be talking anytime soon.)
Now mod me up, dammit, that's one of my better rants, and something painfully obvious that I don't see discussed very often in these threads.
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Nope, and I doubt it will anytime soon. When I use my computer, I tend to want to sit close to the screen to make out detail. When I watch television, I tend to sit six to ten feet away and don't care so much if I can make out itty bitty fonts.
I'm just not willing to switch back and forth right now. I wouldn't mind having a cheap dedicated computer for the purpose of serving as a media center, something with a simple interface (I don't want a keyboard interface to watching television). You know... lik
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You're also going to need long cables if your computer is any di
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1) when it airs
2) from your VCR or PVR
3) if you have a decent cable package that has "On Demand"
Maybe you don't want to watch this content on your computer but many of us do. This is who they are serving.
Seriously watching TV is passive enough, soon you'll be complaining that the things you want aren't beamed directly into your head.
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That's the problem here.
Seriously watching TV is passive enough, soon you'll be complaining that the things you want aren't beamed directly into your head.
No, he wants the very active method of watching the content via iTunes, which is *vastly* more flexible to the three options you listed.
The progression from the physical to the digital has its best hopes right now set on iTunes. Eventually, iTunes will need to drop DRM altogether, but iTunes+DRM is more useful than DVD+DRM or over-the-air or On Demand, etc. NBC pulling out of iTunes and going their own way is going to set
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And more power to you, but you've completely missed the point.
Like I said, the vast majority of users out there do NOT watch television on their computers. Which means that any service that requires one to do so is serving to a very minute audience, an
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Me either, and for the same (basic) reasons as you. It is a pain in the ass. Download a show/movie, then I have to burn it to a DVD if I want to watch it on my TV which I do want, which means I'll probably have to either downgrade the quality or remove a bunch of the extras, etc., etc., etc. It's not worth it, I'd rather either go without or wait until what I want shows up on On Demand or something.
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I think it's really weird that Amazon.com, Hulu, Netflix, and so many others think that I watch television on my computer....[snip]...A while back, I bought one of the AppleTV boxes.
And right there you've identified why they "think [you] watch television on [your] computer". They do not, in fact, believe that everyone watches TV on their computers. They just know that most people won't buy a $300-$400 box just to receive TV shows from a single service when they can generally get the same TV shows on cab
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Haven't they been worredly obsessing over TiVo and other DVR's for years, which cost upwards of that much, along with a monthly service fee, "just to record shows using a single service while they ARE getting the same TV shows on cable/broadcast?"
Yeah, but at least TiVO is sort of self-contained. You buy it, and then it works on your normal TV signal. The problem with the idea of a Netflix set-top-box is that it ties you to Netflix content. If Netflix suddenly goes down the tube or something, the box i
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Actually, since you have an XBox 360, Windows XP SP2 and Windows Vista Home Premium (and Ultimate) will let you connect your XBox to your WiMP library over your network. So, assuming it Just Works, you should already be able to watch anything you can in WiMP on your television.
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That's what I keep asking. About the only thing that works at all right now is Youtube (I don't have Apple TV, but I have been thinking about getting a video dock of some kind for the iPod). So how do I watch Youtube? My Nintendo Wii. It's simple, plays cool games that even the chicks like, easy wireless connectivity, and it's got a decent browser (although I don't use it much except for stuff like watching video). Pretty cheap device, too. Unfortunately, there's not
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Like I said, if you want to watch stuff on your computer, then more power to you. I don't, and as it so happens, hundreds of millions of my fellow Americans don't, also.
So you need to quit your whining, unless you plan on trying to convince hundreds of millions of Americans (not to mention probably BILLIO
Complementary (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually this service has little to do with YouTube, and doesn't risk to kill it, since Hulu and YouTube are actually complementary. YouTube serves user-submitted content and no shows, and Hulu serves no user-submitted content and nothing but shows. So actually it has little to do with YouTube, it's just a free web-based VoD service, I guess. Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, but that's just no YouTube killer at all.
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Obvious to you, me, and 99.9% of slashdot. Apparently not obvious to Wired or ScuttleMonkey.
Youtube killer? (Score:3, Interesting)
They compete with each other how, exactly? How is one the killer of another, when they operate in a completely different niche?
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Ad revenue for Hulu then lowers the ad-value of YouTube, and vice versa.
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Hulu and YouTube aren't direct competitors in any useful sense of the word.
They are similar in that they are video websites, so they do occupy a similar space, but their offerings don't really overlap.
click their ads? (Score:3, Insightful)
Okay, I get the first part, but the second confuses me. Does anyone actually do this?
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Maybe just a little killing? (Score:4, Insightful)
Hulu.com (Score:5, Funny)
Except... (Score:4, Insightful)
Except for legitimate, good-quality copies of popular TV shows and movies that are free to watch in a standard-ish format. I don't know about you, but that kills YouTube for me.
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quality is such a word considering that a youtube video tends to have better quality than my Latin American cable company...
I use youtube more to find old episodes I'd like to remember or to find the ones I miss from their emissions, in this place I am often away by a whole season from the ones in the states so this hulu thing is not going to be a killer...
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COOL!
What site did you go to? Because I want it too! It sure as heck wasn't Hulu.
Oh sure it's got the "legitimate, [] copies of popular TV shows and movies that are free to watch []". But the quality is painfully unwatchable crap, and I can't imagine what prompted you call it a standard format. The resolution was perfect but the fram
This is no surprise (Score:2, Insightful)
HULU! (Score:2)
Pluse, PLUSE cahm and jewn mah nee sayte! Oot's gahing tah boo FUBULUS! Wa'll heve OOLL the cahlest vadeas freem sume af thu antirnut's BOGGEST und BASTEST toolents!
LAVE und KESSES,
Dame Edna Hulu
Why will they go to Hulu? (Score:3, Insightful)
Please! Enough product-killer titles! (Score:3, Interesting)
Labeling any new product as its primary rivals (and defacto market leader) as the killer of the original product by any party does no good to actually help the product succeed. Continued reference to the original product by the new product's producing company can reek of arrogance, whereas the reference by either that party or by any media coverage can imply that the new product does not have the foothold in the market necessary to become successful and still publicizes the name of the original product, keeping the original product in the spotlight.
For example, and I am not using this to ruffle feathers, simply as an example, the Zune was labeled as an iPod-killer by multiple parties. Were I an uninformed consumer looking for a new digital music player and happened to be reading a commentary on the "Zune" which referred to it as "Microsoft's iPod-Killer" two things would come to my mind. 1) What is an iPod, and 2) Why does an iPod need to be killed?
Labeling a product as the killer of another product can also be the byproduct of a lack of objectivity in a review, which can also be inferred by the reader as a lack of faith in the product. Are many users satisfied with their Zune purchase? Yes. However, as an uninformed reader, if I see a paragraph begin "Unfortunately, Microsoft's iPod-Killer doesn't---" then I may consider evaluating my future purchase when the Zune may have suited my needs perfectly.
And I realize that this is not at large the fault of the Slashdot submitter, and often these are quotes from the article, but I find it very disconcerning to see such remarks in what should b an unbiased critque of an application in a private beta stage being compared to a well-identified landmark on the internet.
The hype! The horrible, horrible hype! (Score:3, Insightful)
You had me until "NBC Universal and News Corp" (Score:2, Insightful)
Excuse me, i cant bother with your "schedule" (Score:2)
we are living in a fast paced world, there are already loads of things that i need to keep track. keeping track of 3-4 tv shows, nomatter how i may like them is totaly off the agenda for me. id rather save the variable space in me brain for more important stuff.
in short, im basically telling you to shove your
Beta isn't very private (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.hulu.com/embed/1734 [hulu.com] In a stunning lack of foresight the number is the primary key of the record in the database. You can enter anything less than 1850 and view the shows. Since they give permission to embed on your own web pages, I've embedded a sample of ten random shows [karlkraft.com]
Sensationalist headlines (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's see.
1) Real TV Shows
2) Runs on Linux
3) No DRM
4) 100% Legal
5) Free (as in Ad supported)
The headline should read, "NBC, FOX finally get it right. Let's hope it lasts."
The comparison to YouTube is just moronic, and the gripe about only 5 episodes being available just shows how stupid the author really is. Does anyone actually expect the networks to canabalize DVD sales by releasing the archives for free?
Features I Want In My Youtube Killer (Score:2)
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Good and not so good = blah (Score:2)
I had a look at hulu earlier. I was as impressed as everyone else. [Hits the snooze bar] Everything that was on there that I find interesting, I could just go to Fox on Demand to see along with other shows that weren't listed on Hulu.
I do like the concept behind it. It offers the benefit of legal viewing of TV shows and it alleviates the hassle of waiting an hour for something to download from bittorrent. Really, if they offered more shows
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Not available in Europe? (Score:2)
Unfortunately this video is not currently available in your region. We apologize for the inconvenience.
So they'll let me browse the Web site with my UK IP, even let me sign up to the private beta with my UK IP, they'll let me load in the flash video viewer with my UK IP (none of this has warnings to say "go way you UK person"), only to be brought to a halt when I actually
Can I... (Score:2)
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A kudos to your well-reasoned argument, sir.