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Claim of a Blu-ray BD+ Crack
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kdawson
on Tue Oct 30, 2007 03:52 PM
from the cat-meet-mouse dept.
from the cat-meet-mouse dept.
Google85 writes in with a brief Enquirer piece reporting on an announcement on a German site that SlySoft claims to have cracked BD+, the extra copy-protection layer in Blu-ray. Here is the German original.
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How to translate MPAA claims. (Score:5, Funny)
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Let me know when they've got a copy-protection method that doesn't get cracked in a few weeks or months of its debut. Otherwise it's just the regular pattern.
Maybe if they want their precious movies to avoid this, they should consider using a media that physically has no computer-based player...
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Anyone cracked MagicGate yet?
Heck, even AACS is just weakened, not really permanently broken. Though I suspect as long as they're giving keys to software players, it's going to keep getting cracked.
Re:Direct TV (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (Score:5, Interesting)
1) AACS (currently we have ways to sniff the code out of software, cat and mouse game for now) (Cracked - sort of)
2) BD+ (The virtual machine decrypting the AACS content) (Cracked)
3) BD ROM MARK - A small key that has been stored on the cd using alternate technological means. This is an extra key that is read using only BLU RAY players using mysterious methods.
Without the BD ROM Mark the disk can't be decrypted quite yet.
The article makes no claim that this has been cracked.
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Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (Score:5, Informative)
The article makes no claim that this has been cracked.
In other words, the BD ROM-Mark is not intended to stop access to the encrypted movie, it is intended to stop someone from duplicating the original disc without decrypting it all.
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Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (Score:5, Funny)
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I reckon (Score:5, Funny)
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doom9 (Score:5, Informative)
Dare we credit...? (Score:5, Funny)
Unusual word choice, outside of a Western (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Unusual word choice, outside of a Western (Score:5, Funny)
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So..... this means that (Score:5, Funny)
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Problems? (Score:4, Interesting)
They're sometimes not that bright... (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyway, to my point. When I go to the store, new releases are $13-15, and 2-3 year old releases are typically under $10. I can't believe anybody copies for that price, particularly when you only watch once.
So DVD piracy is effectively solved by lowering the price so it's just not worth it to the vast majority of people. If they get high definition disks down to under $15, this is really a moot point.
The only reasons I can think spending this much time and effort by the record companies is either (a) They think that they'll eventually drive piracy out of the market allowing them to raise prices or (b) they're crazy control freaks who aren't completely rational. Or maybe both.
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t-shirt (Score:5, Funny)
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Problems (Score:5, Insightful)
1- Protect media with lock
2- ensure customer can open lock with key to use
3- ensure customer can't copy content with the same key
Given enough time clever customers will always find your keys and always figure a way to copy your media. Isn't it better to stop trying and just offer products not licenses. The alternate route is to simply make copying hard enough to deter most people (console games + mod chips) or dial home to get some nifty extra features (MMORPG's).
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That's not an alternate route for the studios
Re:Problems (Score:5, Insightful)
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Give up.
No, seriously. All this copy protection is pissing off the paying customers who find that their TV, while quite capable of displaying HD signals, won't display this signal because Hollywood won't trust it. Or whose new PC is dedicating clock cycles every second of the day to enforcing a Hollywood-mandated lockdown on the whole system, and will crash the fuck out if anything's even
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* Cut it out with the byzantine copy protections.
* Great special features, like deleted scenes and director's commentary-- content which is rarely maintained when ripping.
* Ensure that there are insanely convenient, reasonably cost-effective legal distribution systems available.
* Quit worrying so much. The industry's profits aren't falling off a cliff, and if they were going to they would have already.
Re:Problems (Score:5, Insightful)
Never fuck over a paying customer. Never do anything that causes my product to be inferior to a pirated copy. Never ever send the message, "We don't want your moneyl you might want to consider looking for a pirated copy instead." Ergo: no DRM. Don't try to prevent copying through technical means; don't do anything that prevents interoperability; don't do anything that restricts the availability of players, since that restricts my market.
Go ahead and prosecute copyright infringers when it's easy to do so, but don't fixate on them. Keep existing customers, try to gain customers, but don't worry too much about people who aren't customers, except in terms of luring them.
In other words, try to think of revenue as a desirable thing, rather than as something to snicker about when the stockholders aren't watching me.
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Re:No they want to eliminate all copying (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Problems (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, the alternate route might be to make the blank media cost enough that people can't be bothered. Double layer DVD media are still too expensive (comparatively) for many people I know to bother with; they either use DVDShrink or, if they like the movie enough, buy it for $15. This is probably the reason why the MPAA lobbies for media taxes in Canada.
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translation (Score:4, Informative)
In other news... (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:In other news... (Score:4, Insightful)
You mean they only managed to sell 1/40th of one before this?
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Just cracked? (Score:4, Interesting)
keeping people in a job... (Score:5, Interesting)
It's stupid...
Any digital content that can be seen or heard can be duplicated with some form of analog technology. Copy protected CD's can be recorded with near perfect quality simply by flying the audio from a CD player into a PC equipped with a $100 pro-level audio card (like the Emu 0404 or M-Audio Audiophile 2496). DRM protected mp3/wma/etc files can be duplicated through two pc's in exactly the same fashion as a CD. Copy protected DVD's can be duplicated by recording it's content from a DVD player into a PC with a decent video capture card.
And that's just the tip of it.
Nothing they do keeps DVD's off the streets. Every trip to the grocery store I make, I get a guy or gal coming up to me selling the latest movie for $10 on DVD (3 for $25!) or the latest yet-to-be-released CD for $5.
It's not going to stop. No amount of copy protection will help, no law passed will deter, it's a useless waste of money, but it keeps a few folks in a job.
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To fuel police corruption and organized crime?
Re:keeping people in a job... (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course they would. Taxes aren't some ultimate evil that people would rather risk getting shot then buying at a legal source. Not to mention the taxed ones would be dosed, better quality controlled, and CHEAPER. Mass production and competition would drive the price down.
"Do you really think Crack Cocaine belongs on the streets?"
No, I think it belongs at a legal store, and that adults should be able to do it at home if they so choose. Cocaine has been used for a long time, and in fact it used to be cut by pharmacist for personal use by little old ladies.
It's not evil, but by making it some shady dealing where people have to risk there lives, and are afraid of being an outcast is.
"Do you think that Children will not be able to aquire Crack Cocaine once it's price has plummeted?"
They get it all they want NOW you idiot. It is easier for them to get it now because they people selling it to them have nothing more to loose. Legalizing would drive those people out of business and dry up the only source available to 'children'. Not completely, but it would be harder to get drugs then now.
"Really I could care less what people do in their personal time but if you think that legalizing drugs will not have an effect on society in general and even yourself then you are dillusional."
Of course it will have an effect, a positive one.
You're neighbor can get it now, if he so chooses. So that's not really an issue. More to the point, your neighbor won't be screaming because he will get a correct dose at a regulated purity. Not to mention that rarely happens anyways.
I used to spiel the same line you are, but I did about 3 years of research into legalization, the myths taught to young people, and actual studied effects of drug use.
Right now, there are two benefactors of drug prohibition:
1) The drug lords
2) Law enforcement
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Can't be Done (Score:5, Interesting)
This just brings me back to my original hypothesis that it is impossible to encrypt something one time that you want to be easily distributed to the masses. There's just no way to say "here's the encrypted content and the key, but the key only works when we say so" unless you have some kind of root server doing the authentication in real-time and creates randomize keys for every download/view (think TSL). Even then, the user on the recieving end can (in theory) just record the incoming stream and redistribute.
It's time for the media distributors of the world to wise up and realize that they just cannot protect their content through DRM. The best they can hope for is to make it tough on Joe Sixpack, and rely on legal means to tackle the large scale pirates. (think 1980's style).
If BD+ is cracked, then the writing is pretty much on the wall for DVDs and we'll see a faster migration to online, streaming content. So let the "you cannot save this file" wars begin (ala Flash and QuickTime) - soon people (smarter than me) will spend time on fixing, er um... breaking that too.
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AACS Encryption Getting Better? (Score:4, Interesting)
On the whole this is still a loss for the MPAA, but none the less being able to stop people for even a couple of weeks would likely encourage anxious people to buy movies they'd otherwise pirate, so it would seem the MPAA hasn't completely lost yet.
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It's not unheard of...
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Hmm... I guess I must not be keeping up with the changing definition of Pirate -- my immediate thought was, "wait a minute, the people mass producing the discs with the old code can still do so; the old code doesn't cease to be valid...." Then I realized you were talking about people ripping a legally purchased video to a DRM-less forma
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Ah, no. People are cracking these because they enforce usage controls that many - myself included - believe go too far. Some of us like to use media centers that play video that's been ripped (not necessarily pirated). I've got a nice collection of video files that I've ripped from DVDs that I own that I stream to my living room media center. It's extremely convenient and the video quality is quite good. I'm not out there distributing the ripped versions of these films, and I'm not out there downloading pirated versions of them, either. I'm doing nothing more than utilizing an alternative method to view content I paid for in the privacy of my own home. At present, I cannot do this with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.
To be fair, commercial DVDs contain copy protections designed to thwart this kind of activity, but thanks to the diligent efforts by the very same kind of people (and likely the same people in many cases) who are working to crack the new schemes, the process is convenient and effectively one-click. Until I can do the same thing with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs, I won't be buying any of either, and I'll continue to recommend to the people who ask my opinion that they stay away.
In short, people aren't just doing it because they can. They're doing it because there are legitimate reasons for doing so. Not everyone who rips discs is a pirate, but this DRM punishes all equally.
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The more recent versions have made it a bit less "mac-like" (ie. they added a whole lot more configuration options), but it's still dead-on simple to use.