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Brian May, Rock Legend, Soon-To-Be Astrophysicist

Posted by Zonk on Sat Jul 28, 2007 02:35 AM
from the we-are-the-champions-my-friend dept.
xPsi writes "Brian May, the guitarist for the legendary rock band Queen (age 60), has finally decided to submit his Ph.D. thesis in astrophysics. The title is 'Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud.' From the article: 'May was studying astrophysics at Imperial College when he formed Queen with singer Freddie Mercury and drummer Roger Taylor in 1970. He dropped his doctorate research into interstellar dust as the band met with increasing success.' And, hey, if this whole Rock-n-Roll thing doesn't pan out, at least he'll have something to fall back on."
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A year ago we took note when Brian May, guitarist for Queen for the last 30 years, submitted his thesis for a Ph.D. in astrophysics. The news now is that the thesis has been published. You, too, can read all about the population of tiny asteroids and space dust that cause the Zodiacal light. The completed thesis appears as the book "A Survey of Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud" (Springer and Canopus Publishing Ltd., 2008), available at Amazon for $71.96. May was awarded his Ph.D. last summer and accepted a position as chancellor at a British university in November.
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  • At last! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2007, @02:37AM (#20021051)
    He may get to meet some chicks!
  • Studies (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BWJones (18351) * on Saturday July 28 2007, @02:37AM (#20021053) Homepage Journal
    Rock on... \m/ \m/

    It is never too late for scholarly accomplishment and is encouraging to see folks go back to finish work begun many years prior or even to begin studies later than would be traditionally done. I'd like to think that if I can achieve a certain financial independence that I'd complete a second Ph.D. later in life in a field completely unrelated to the one I am working in now. Perhaps something cool like history...

    On top of that, perhaps Dr. May's degree will help focus a little positive attention on science given that many in politics these days seem to have made us scientists out to be the boogey man/woman.

    • Re:Studies (Score:5, Funny)

      by largesnike (762544) on Saturday July 28 2007, @03:02AM (#20021125)

      \m/ \m/
      is that the rear view of two swimmers about to dive into a pool?
    • Buckaroo Banzai (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Rick17JJ (744063) on Saturday July 28 2007, @04:01AM (#20021335)

      It sounds like he is a real life Buckaroo Banzai, like in the 1984 movie "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension." Buckaroo Banazi was a rock star, particle physicist, neurosurgeon, and race car driver. So, it really is possible to do all that! That was the movie where Earth was invaded by aliens flew around in space ships which looked like giant sea shells.

      Buckaroo Banzai [wikipedia.org]

    • On top of that, perhaps Dr. May's degree will help focus a little positive attention on science given that many in politics these days seem to have made us scientists out to be the boogey man/woman.


      Right. Because the conservative right wing would be extremely compassionate toward the endeavors of the ">members [slashdot.org] of a band like Queen due to their rock star status.

      Oh, wait....
      • Re:Studies (Score:5, Insightful)

        by BWJones (18351) * on Saturday July 28 2007, @03:02AM (#20021129) Homepage Journal
        You must be an American.

        Well, that is one of the most ignorant things I've heard today... Am I misunderstanding the sentiment or just what is it that you are trying to say?

        I've never seen why people feel they need a "second" PhD.

        It is not about the piece of paper that says PhD. Rather, it is the level of accomplishment that the doctorate represents.

        So in fact what you really want to do is read for a BA (or BSc) in a new area - just do it at a good university (which unfortunately rules out most).

        Actually, well run doctorate programs provide not just the place for students to learn at, but other individuals/colleagues/mentors in that field of study who can challenge you and help direct your studies far beyond what is available to most undergraduate departments. The academic rigor of doctoral programs far surpasses the more casual familiarity with material and the expectations are much higher as well which is what many folks who love learning are after, particularly if the field of their interest is far away from their area of formal training.

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward
          I'm afraid I have to concur with the other poster. As someone with a doctorate myself, I really don't see why you would need a second PhD. There is really no need to attempt a new PhD - your previous one should allow you to move straight into other fields and start producing immediately.

          If the field is very different, you can always do a DipGrad or equivalent (something to bring you up to speed). Really, at the point of holding a PhD, you should be capable of taking a year or two of preparation at most, and
          • Re:Studies (Score:5, Insightful)

            by PopeRatzo (965947) * on Saturday July 28 2007, @04:24AM (#20021417) Homepage Journal
            You mean because I have a PhD in English I can qualify to work as a postdoc physicist in only 2 years?

            Look out, Stephen Hawking! I got my god particle hanging right here.

            • Re:Studies (Score:5, Funny)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2007, @05:27AM (#20021613)

              I have a PhD in English

              You can't be American, as no yank should get anything in English until they can spell centre correctly

                • If you go for post-graduate studies, it's because you've learned far too much about far too little to cope in the world, so you seek funding to stay on campus for a longer period of time. Some people even manage to stay on campus their entire life.
                  You've described me to a "T".

                  Loving it, by the way.
        • Re:Studies (Score:5, Insightful)

          by norton_I (64015) <hobbes@utrek.dhs.org> on Saturday July 28 2007, @04:12AM (#20021375)
          I think what he is saying, which you have either missed or ignored completely is that once you have a PhD you should be a (possibly junior) partner, not a student with a mentor. A PhD is a research degree, and the purpose is to train you to learn things that nobody knows. Once reach that level, the field matters less--as long as you have solid knowledge of the fundamentals (i.e., at a bachelors or masters level). Hence the car analogy.
          • Re:Studies (Score:5, Insightful)

            by sayfawa (1099071) on Saturday July 28 2007, @07:31AM (#20022097)
            I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. Maybe it was like that in times past, but not today. Even in the UK a PhD does include learning about specific things. Not only would my group never hire someone without a PhD specifically in physics (possibly physical chemistry), they wouldn't hire someone without experience specifically in laser cooling (which you won't get in any undergrad program). A person with a bachelor's degree in physics and a PhD in social work would be completely useless to us.
        • Blah-blah. Just listen to "Fat Bottomed Girls"!
      • I agree that a second Ph.D. is pointless for the reasons you say, however...

        So in fact what you really want to do is read for a BA (or BSc) in a new area - just do it at a good university (which unfortunately rules out most).

        No, to get started in a new field you want to take MA or MSc courses in a new area; the BA/BSc is supposed to prepare you for graduate study in general. Or just read the books and watch the lectures on-line.
      • You must be an American

        Damn, that's a requirement for a second PhD?!

        Oh wait...
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        From the article it seems his thesis is on interstellar dust which is a pretty hot topic among astronomers right now. It's also a topic which requires use of big infrared telescopes which have come into common usage in the recent years. Personally I'm jealous, the man is on cutting edge in every field of endeavour.
  • by attemptedgoalie (634133) on Saturday July 28 2007, @02:44AM (#20021079)

    http://www.banguniverse.com/ [banguniverse.com]

    How cool is it that after all of the concerts, the world tours, the money, that he completes a life project like this?

    How many people that attain the level that Queen rose to, would just spend their time spending the money?

    I think it's awesome that he's going to finish up.
    • by xenocide2 (231786) on Saturday July 28 2007, @03:49AM (#20021299) Homepage
      Plus, whenever my advisor asks when my thesis draft will be ready, I'll have a nice standard to fall back to for guidance!
    • by jgrahn (181062) on Saturday July 28 2007, @06:36AM (#20021855)

      How cool is it that after all of the concerts, the world tours, the money, that he completes a life project like this? How many people that attain the level that Queen rose to, would just spend their time spending the money?

      Or worse, re-form Queen with some twit replacing Freddie ...

    • by hughk (248126) on Saturday July 28 2007, @07:06AM (#20021983) Journal
      In the early days, Queen had a bit of a rep as the intellectuals of rock. I had a friend who looked after the significant others of Queen whilst they were touring Germany many years ago and she maintained occasional contact over the years. Apparently other than Freddie who was absolutely bonkers but a brilliant artist, the rest of the band were very friendly with stable families and seemed quite normal.
    • by meringuoid (568297) on Saturday July 28 2007, @03:47PM (#20025995)
      Every British astro-geek knows who Patrick Moore is. Mad monocled xylophone-playing astronomer, who has presented the programme The Sky at Night [bbc.co.uk] since the days when we didn't even know what the other side of the Moon looked like. This show is an institution. Generations of astronomers grew up watching it. Every other science show on the BBC has dumbed down into nonsense - apocalypse of the week shows, mostly. The Sky at Night on the other hand is a proper old-fashioned science show.

      Patrick Moore is extremely old and sooner or later will permanently stop presenting the show. Brian May is appearing on the show more and more frequently as time goes by. Someone is needed who (a) knows astronomy and physics thoroughly enough to maintain standards, and who (b) can hold the attention of an audience. I spy a candidate...

  • by Oyume (464420) <jdshaffer@@@gmail...com> on Saturday July 28 2007, @02:45AM (#20021083) Homepage
    "Earlier this month, the writer of such Queen hits as "We Will Rock You" and "Fat Bottomed Girls" was granted an honorary doctorate from Exeter University in Devon, England."

    Because nothing says "academic" like singing "Fat Bottomed Girls" at the next Faculty Meeting...

  • Nice to know that during his rock years he didn't fry his brain with acid and is still able to do the work to get a PhD.
    • by Tim_UWA (1015591) on Saturday July 28 2007, @03:17AM (#20021197)
      Are you kidding? How else can you get through a PhD in physics?
    • Yeah, apparently, this drummer knows his [interstellar] Dust...

      Solomon
    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2007, @05:00AM (#20021529)
      Acid is pretty much the drug least likely to fry your brain...

      Anyway, the most common - and probably most destructive - drug used by musicians is...alcohol!
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      He never really dabbed into drugs, nor did most of the band (from what I've read...)

      Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_May [wikipedia.org] quote -
      "...May dislikes smoking, even to the point where he specifically prohibits smoking indoors at his more recent concerts."

      As well as
      "His avoidance of alcohol can be traced to an early concert where Queen played with the band Aerosmith, and May had a conversation with fellow guitarist Joe Perry backstage. Perry brought out a bottle of whisky, which the two drank between
  • Oh dear... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Bazman (4849) on Saturday July 28 2007, @02:55AM (#20021111) Journal
    I wonder if the physics department here will be expecting me to finish mine, 17 years after the funding ran out and now several years after the detector shut down... Now, maybe if they have my data on backup tapes and there's a spare Vax 11/750 going...

    • Now, maybe if they have my data on backup tapes and there's a spare Vax 11/750 going...

      On nine track tape? Your old data is going to become a nasty head cleaning job. Have lots of isopropyl alcohol handy.

  • Wow man, he is one cool dude. I wish I had the nerve and stamina to get another Ph.D. at that age.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      I think one of the contributing factors to be considered is that he's rather well off financially, won't have to work another single day in his life again and is basically free to do as he damn well pleases. I think in such circumstances, quite a few older people would be able to finish their studies, especially in a field that has become a life-long passion (which is rather the norm with astronomers than an exception). Kudos for Brian May for pulling this one off though, it's hard work even *with* a lot of
  • Nothing really matters
    Nothing really matters to me

    Any way the stellar wind blows ...
    • Nothing really matters
      Nothing really matters to me

      Any way the stellar wind blows ...
      Sorry to ruin the joke, but Freddie Mercury wrote that one. OTOH, May did write the aforementioned.... Fat Bottomed Girls. Okay, maybe not such a good joke in there ;-)
  • Brian May's a bit of a hacker. Most of his music was played on a guitar he built himself.

    For example: "The tremolo system is made from an old hardened-steel knife-edge shaped into a V and two motorbike valve springs to counter the string tension."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Special [wikipedia.org]
    • I particularly like this bit from the article:

      "The overall amount May spent on his guitar was £17.50."

      Just shows you don't need an expensive instrument to become a legend.
    • FTA:Greg Fryer, an Australian guitar luthier, produced 3 copies of the Red Special in 1996/97 with permission from May, who allowed Fryer to x-ray the body for information on the internal cavities in the body, taking exhaustive body measurements for CAD/CAM reproduction, Fryer named his three replicas John, Paul and George. May has 2 of these guitars, John and George while Fryer kept Paul, which was built with slightly different tone woods for a "more aggressive edge" tonally, for himself.

      I found this st
  • by RyanFenton (230700) on Saturday July 28 2007, @04:15AM (#20021387)
    Instead of a party animal and physicist who spent a lot of time drumming, here's a drummer who's taken advantage of the world around him, and is contributing to man's exploration of astrophysics. Very cool.

    Oh, and if you're ever interested in a superb read about a real life nerd superstar, check out "Surely, You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" [amazon.com]

    Ryan Fenton
    • Upon first reading that book, I couldn't help but keep thinking "Damn that's awesome." Looking back on it after a few years, I think it sort of made him look somewhat like an ass.

      But then again, it would be hard for somebody like Richard Feynmann to write an autobiography without sounding just a bit arrogant.
  • by simplerThanPossible (1056682) on Saturday July 28 2007, @04:46AM (#20021481)
    ...for late PhD submission.
  • 39 and Time Dilation (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TomHandy (578620) <tomhandy&gmail,com> on Saturday July 28 2007, @07:48AM (#20022209)
    Since no-one's mentioned it, the Brian May song for Queen, '39', is about time dilation, although in a subtle way. That is, he composed it about the idea of some space travelers leaving earth on a mission, taking a year in their time, but when they return to Earth, 100 years have passed.

    http://woodside.blogs.com/cosmologycuriosity/2006/ 05/queens_39_and_r.html [blogs.com]

    http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/04/26/relatively-pl easant/ [cosmicvariance.com]

  • by davecl (233127) on Saturday July 28 2007, @08:01AM (#20022311)
    The zodiacal dust is actually dust in our own solar system - you can see it at dawn and dusk as the zodiacal light [wanadoo.nl]. However, one suggestion in Brian May's thesis is that there may be a component of the zodiacal dust that is interstellar. It's something that future observations he's proposing could test.

    It's interesting to note that very little has been done on the zodiacal light since he started his PhD work in the early 70s. However, the next generation of cosmic microwave background satellites like Planck [esa.int] will need improved knowledge of foreground dust so that its contaminating emission can be removed. This has added new interest and impetus to the kind of studies that Brian May is resurrecting.
  • Not the only one... (Score:3, Informative)

    by evilquaker (35963) on Saturday July 28 2007, @09:01AM (#20022713)
    For example, the bass player and singer of French death metal band Carcariass [carcariass.com] has a PhD in CS, and publishes research on distributed numerical techniques. Not only that, he's been working and publishing while the band has been releasing new CDs...
  • His thesis (Score:4, Funny)

    by Mr. Bad Example (31092) on Saturday July 28 2007, @12:54PM (#20024421) Homepage
    I'm told the working title for his thesis was The Orbital Mechanics of Fat-Bottomed Girls: Making the Rockin' World Go 'Round.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Sorry, what you're saying is a bit misleading. While the opus that leads ultimately to a Ph.D. is formally called a dissertation, it is colloquially (and almost universally, in the program that I was in) referred to as a thesis, by people who are actually in the thick of doing it: "Christ, I'm *never* going to finish this *$&#! thesis."

      Websters defines thesis (definition 4) as: "a dissertation embodying results of original research and especially substantiating a specific view; especially : one writ