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on Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:12 AM
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Corrupt writes "Just ask 11-year-old Jemella Chambers. She is one of 650 students who receive an Apple Inc laptop each day at a state-funded school in Boston. From the second row of her classroom, she taps out math assignments on animated education software that she likens to a video game."
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What's wrong with an abicus? (Score:2)
Seriously, what's wrong with the abicus? Master Splinter used it quite proficiently.
Re:What's wrong with an abicus? (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously, what's wrong with the abicus?
The spelling?
(Disclaimer: I wish English would simplify its entire spelling system, blah blah blah.)
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Abacus is spelled phonetically.
No it isn't.
If I'm correct (I'm not a native English speaker) the first a is an 'a' while the second a is 'ei'. There are several more than 5 vowel sounds in English. It's just that you use only 5 characters for them. Even simple words like "race" are mind-boggling - the a is actually an 'ei', the c is actually 's' and the final e is mute!
For nearly-phonetic writing look at Slavic languages (there are some exceptions, like word-final w, but those are at least consistent), or at relatively modern scripts lik
Nice! (Score:5, Funny)
She is one of 650 students who receive an Apple Inc laptop each day
I wish I could receive an Apple Inc laptop each day! Sounds profitable ;)
Every day? (Score:2)
She gets an Apple laptop every day?
Whilst I'm sure she's making a sweet resale profit, isn't that a bit wasteful?
Re:Every day? (Score:5, Funny)
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Oy vey... (Score:2, Insightful)
...at least rewrite the summary in your own words, rather than directly plagiarizing from the article. Besides, without the first paragraph of the article, the summary makes no sense. Just ask Jemella what?
Re:Oy vey... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Oy vey... (Score:5, Informative)
"Thanks to technology, people are graduating without even knowing how to construct complete sentences. And also thanks to technology, those same people can now go on to be "editors" for major websites."
Or it could be that most schools do not teach grammar or language structure at all, I know when I was in school we never got any of that crap. We got a few mentions of 'noun' vs 'verb', etc. But nothing like a lecture or classes on proper sentence structure.
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As an English teacher... (Score:5, Insightful)
As a high school English teacher I only have one (sad thing) to contribute here. We're strongly discouraged from teaching grammar... since the administration "knows" it is boring and cannot hold student interest. If a subject or lesson cannot (or does not) keep every child in the classroom entertained, no matter how diverse the population, then the teacher is faulted.
On the other hand, be glad they've got laptops to keep them entertained. Yay!
Meh.
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Re:As an English teacher... (Score:5, Funny)
Our chief problem is that we're discouraged from teaching grammar, and needing to entertain the students ... Our 2 chief problems are that we're discouraged from teaching grammar, needing to entertain the students, and a lack of basic math and composition learning in elementary schools ...
I'll come in again.
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Re:Oy vey... (Score:5, Insightful)
I am 26 years old, with a degree in English, and I have taught English at the high school level in the past (I now teach computer courses for various reasons).
What does that mean besides the fact that I will invariably overlook a grammatical mistake in my own post? We don't teach grammar or language structure at all. Since about 1990, the trend in American English instruction has been the so-called "whole language" method. It is essentially based in a belief that immersion in proper English methods will result in more effective grammar instruction.
In practice, it means that children should be taught grammar through, say, correcting their own papers (where the changes and differences have more meaning than a drill) and through reading.
The fifth grade (1989-1990 for me) was the last time I had instruction in sentence diagramming. I did have one hold-out 9th grade English teacher who insisted on rote memorization of irregular verbs and their tenses, but who didn't provide much guidance for what distinguished "future perfect" from "past participle." Having sat through those courses, it's easy to understand both sides of the grammar education approach/
Like several other posters, it took foreign language instruction in middle school and high school before I started understanding the concept of infinitives, conjugations, tenses, etc. Coincidentally, it was also immensely frustrating when certain parts of foreign language instruction had to "dumbed down" because most students wouldn't have understood the terms being thrown around. In French, for example, you create the past tense of a verb by conjugating either avoir (to have) or etre (to be), then using a special ending for your action verb. Whether you use avoir or etre is determined entirely by whether or not your main verb is transitive or intransitive (one that has vs one that doesn't necessarily need a direct object). It's a simple distinction, but even at university level we were reduced to memorizing an mnemonic device (DR AND MRS VAN DER TRAMPS) to list the few intransitive verbs. Had the students received even minor direct grammar instruction, the distinction between the two would have been easy; as it is, there was much hand-wringing from students over the fact that a few uncommon verbs were not in the mnemonic but were intransitive.
So, to summarize, there are valid arguments for both teaching approaches. I am personally of the opinion that we learn grammar much more through absorption than rote memorization; this also makes it one of the most difficult subjects to teach to minority groups or recent immigrants who aren't immersed in the "proper" grammar 24/7. I can see why "whole language" grammar learning has its advocates - immersion methods are generally considered the best way to learn a foreign language, so why not apply them to our native language? On the flip side, though, ignoring the more technical instruction can substantially weaken a student's performance in other subjects. In the end, it's really a philosophical debate, like many in education, that boil down to personal or institutional preference.
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I find the obsession with tech in the class bad... (Score:3, Insightful)
Its not like a computer can teach you to think critically, they also stifle real research skills. Why poor though references or bother to learn the proper way to annotate them if you can just google for a text string?
Kids don't learn Latin anymore but they are learning to 'use' computers at the age of 11, get real. As a tool they are useful but in order to be a tool the user must have some basic skills that becoming computer dependent at that age will seriously retard. I really think there is no call for kids to be using computers as part of the educational experience before high-school.
Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:5, Insightful)
There is very little value in learning how to do things the old way when the new way is all that will ever be used.
Following your logic, we should all be hunting and gathering instead of shopping for food because now we can't feed ourselves, either.
Let us retard all progress in the name of tradition because... well, there is no good reason. But it would make you happy, I suppose.
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I imagine knowing Latin would assist with understanding the roots of (and perhaps learning the languages of) Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish.
Lately I have been asking accountants and financial traders that I meet if they can do long division, after all it is a skill one learns in primary school at around the age of 10 or 11. Very few remember!
So in programming we can get away with not knowing how a red-black tree works, we just use the C++ map template. Is there no validity in learning how a red-black
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I remember reading of a program that studied the effects of teaching Latin. Not only did they do better in English, they also did better in history. Naturally, the program was cancelled.
Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:4, Insightful)
And following your logic we should not be teaching math at all just how to use a calculator.. See how silly following logic can be!
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Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:5, Interesting)
And following your logic we should not be teaching math at all just how to use a calculator.. See how silly following logic can be!
Its not that teaching math is outdated. Its that memorizing multiplication tables might be outdated.
The main point of modern math class is how to translate real life problems into numerical equations. Once you can do that, solving those equations is rather trivial.
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Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:5, Informative)
My state (Utah) dropped the times tables from the 3rd and 4th grade math core for a couple of years. Disaster ensued immediately.
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Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed it is... IF you've got the multiplication tables memorized...
Learning is about making connections. Memorizing is about having the bits in place to connect. Education requires both.
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Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:4, Insightful)
That is, I think, one of the most eloquent and succinct comments I have seen about memorization, and its role in education. Do you mind if I use it in the future?
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Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:4, Interesting)
Indeed it is... IF you've got the multiplication tables memorized...
I have a PhD in math, and I still don't have the multiplication tables memorized. I can multiply without problems, because these things are very easy to figure out. In fact, I thing that should my school require me to memorize the tables, I probably would not choose to study math. And if I did, I would probably be worse at it.
Learning is about making connections. Memorizing is about having the bits in place to connect. Education requires both.
True. However, after memorizing "the tables", how much space is there to make connections? There are number of fascinating connections related to multiplication that can be discovered after memorizing just a few simple rules. And after kids spend several months memorizing and drilling multiplication tables, how much time and how much desire is there to make connections?
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Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:4, Interesting)
The main point of modern math class is how to translate real life problems into numerical equations. Once you can do that, solving those equations is rather trivial.
While that is the point of the math classes I took in high school, I'm not at all sure that's the best method to be teaching mathematics. My high school used the "Chicago Math" method of teaching, which focuses heavily on "real-life" examples and encourages heavy use of computers and calculators to ease computation.
It seemed like a pretty good method at the time, but when I got into the electrical engineering program in college, I found myself woefully under-prepared mathematically. I found that the de-emphasis on computation had caused my basic knowledge of mathematical formulae to atrophy. And, since math is cumulative, I found that I had a very difficult time catching up (especially in calculus), since my knowledge of basic algebraic principles was never developed properly. Indeed, this lack of basic skills led me to switch to the computer science program, since I found that discrete math and set theory were easier to learn, as I was learning them from first principles, making my lack of algebraic preparation less of a hindrance.
So, while its tempting to say that computation and practice are irrelevant, the fact remains that these things do matter, because its the practice that fixes the knowledge in the student's head. My father learned math in India, which has a much heavier emphasis on practice, and, even now, he's still much better at algebra and calculus than I am, because he's practiced it so much more than I have.
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Innumeracy (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes - if you know how to do basic arithmetic. Almost all the arithmetic I do in real life, I do in my head -- usually just approximated to two significant figures.
I worry that kids who don't learn multiplication tables will become paralyzed by an everyday question like "which carpet is more expensive, $1.95/square foot or $39.99/square yard?"
Ultimately, the point of translating real life problems into mathematical equations is to get a solution. If someone can't at least get a ballpark solution on his own, I submit he's functionally innumerate.
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Yet, I question this as you all 95% of people do is memorize the steps. You memorize the steps on what buttons to press on your calculator. You memorize the steps on how to do long division. Neither gains you any insights into division as a concept.
Its true, that, when learning long division, all you do is "memorize the steps". However the steps are more generalizable. For example, if you know how to do long division with numbers, its a fairly simple jump to get long division with symbols. Yet, if you're doing division on your calculator, you'll have a much harder time figuring out how to divide with symbols, since you've never been exposed to the actual division algorithm (all your division took place inside of a black box).
In other words, learnin
Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:5, Insightful)
I have a small issue with your argument. As tools become more complex, learning to use them becomes more complex. Reasoning and logical thinking are not harmed/hampered by having complex tools available. They are harmed by teachers who use complex tools to avoid doing the harder part, teaching kids to reason and think. Sure, a laptop or calculator makes fast work of math problems yet structuring a mathematical proof is something the calculator won't do. If kids want to copy someone else's work off the Internet, teachers need to ensure that testing requires the child to prove they know the material.
Did nailing guns make carpenters less skillful?
Did spreadsheets make accountants less skillful?
and so on....
You are blaming the problem on the tool instead of the teacher.
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Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:4, Interesting)
Nail guns allowed less skillful people to work as carpenters, to do an adequate job in situations where they would have not been able to do so before. Nail guns also allowed skilled carpenters to do simple jobs more easily and quickly.
If all you need is a wall frame of 2x4s, a carpenter of limited skill with a nailgun will do. But if you want fine furniture built, you need someone with more skills, who knows the properties of different sorts of wood and different types of joints and fasteners. Before nailguns, every carpenter knew these things.
I notice that TFA - like most in praise of computers in the classroom - makes no mention of test scores or any other metric that demonstrates that students are actually learning better ithis way than in more traditional classrooms.
I recommend Cliff Stoll's books Silicon Snake Oil and High Tech Heretic.
Worse, this system doesn't just use computers, it is totally reliant on them.
Says the principal in TFA, "Why would we ever buy a book when we can buy a computer? Textbooks are often obsolete before they are even printed." But that's not true: fundamental fields change slowly, a ten year old geometry or physics or art textbook will do quite well. And students can take them home, read them on the bus or under a tree, do homework anywhere - apparently this system pretty much requires kids to have computers at home. Grandma, who's uninterested in all these modern gadgets, picks you up after school and you stay at her house until your mom gets off work? Can't do homework while you wait, no computer.
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The problem is that your response displays reason, which has little place in the bureaucracy and money sink that is the modern public school system. After all, why use a crummy old textbook when you can get a new one for only $35-50 (times the number of kids, times how many books each needs).
I remember reading a truly mind-boggling article about the textbook development and selection p
Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:3, Funny)
Kids don't learn Latin anymore
Aside from learning one of the foundations of our language I'm not sure why you pick this of all things to be upset about. I never learned Latin and I speak the english real good.
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Actually they could just spend their time more wisely and directly learn the language they want in the first place.
I would disagree somewhat, partly because you make the assumption that Latin is just a stepping-stone to the language I REALLY want to learn. Don't forget that, although Latin is dead, there's a nearly endless back catalog of Latin literature that's worth reading (from as recently as the 19th century). Of course, if you master basic Latin, you'll have general reading knowledge of many other languages.
Your statement also implies an either/or approach -- either learn Latin or be 'wiser' and learn the langu
Re:I find the obsession with tech in the class bad (Score:5, Informative)
While I think computer usage in this particular school may be a little overboard, I don't see it as a major problem overall. Kids use computers all the time, and are starting at a younger and younger age. Computers can be a very good tool for these sorts of things, and I'm not sure how they can really retard basic skills other than possibly handwriting. In that regard, kids could hardly end up with worse handwriting than most of their parents, even if they never write anything by hand outside of their handwriting classes in Kindergarten through 3rd grade.
Most kids in my experience will use computer learning games because they're more interesting than long sheets of math problems. However, if given the choice between that same computer game and, say, a particularly interesting worksheet (maybe one of those where you color a picture different colors based on the answers to the math problems), the choice is not always so clear cut.
The basic upshot is that kids will learn best if they're engaged in the material. A computer game can engage them, but a particularly good teacher or a particularly good set of handouts can engage them just as well. A good education will come from a mix of various techniques to keep the kids from becoming bored with any one thing and disengaging from the process.
As for kids not learning Latin anymore, I think that's just because Latin is not particularly useful to anyone not in a specialized field (like medicine or law), and is thus not worth spending a ton of time on in the earlier grades. If you're interested in joining a profession that uses Latin, or planning on competing in a spelling bee, you'll learn Latin eventually. Otherwise, you're going to be bored out of your mind in a class you have no use for, and will eventually forget most of it anyway.
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I was 'gifted' on the computer (as I am sure most of the people on here who are around my age were). I used the computer for things I was not supposed to. I circumvented the "deep freeze" lock they had on their systems in grade 5.
I as banned from school computer use until High School (which is grade 9-12 here).
I would have performed the exact same with or without a computer. In high school it pained me to use their computers so I did most of it the old fashioned way. When it came to looking up obscure thing
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Forget flying cars... (Score:3, Informative)
Maybe this already exists, but I'd always hoped for a good intersection of games and education that actually encourages students to learn in a lecture setting. "Edutainment" has generally been pretty awful, but I bet there's a way we could integrate learning into an MMORPG such that you can (say) use a knowledge of kinetics to advance your character.
jenious1: I now understand Newton's Laws, so I built a catapult that demolished your castle. Kekekeke!
!pnk101: o yeah??? well im still beating u up at lunch u nerd!!!!1
jenious1: Snap!
Curious about something (Score:2)
Anyone seen a comparison of final test scores for kids learning via computers and kids learning the "old fashioned" way (books and paper) as in "does one group do better than the other?"
Not Very New (Score:2)
I guess one of the problems would be giving a student study material to take home, since they return the laptops at the end of the day. I'm usually one to assume everyone has a computer with broadband at home, but this may not always be the case.
Still, it's nic
A hard one. (Score:3, Insightful)
IT in education is too young. I dont think the right models for education have been developed anyhow, much less good software that supports them.
The thing is that education is severely tied into media: from the greeks and their oral traditions, to the medieval cult of the books, to the discovery of print, education has been transformed by the media in which we store and confer information.
Today, that media is becoming a universally accessible cloud. I think current trends of education that favor the use of PowerPoint as a better tool than a blackboard are ok in terms of efficiency, and they might really convey information in a better way.
The question that I make myself is not about efficiency, but about the difference between information and knowledge. Yeah, sure, tech conveys info. it also MAY convey knowledge of SOME things that are encodable in our new tool (the net, for example).
But knowledge? Is viewwing a simulation of a physic phenomenon the same as taking the weighs in the labs and proving them yourself? Is it the same viewing a simulation of the parabolic shot, than actually going into the lab, meassuring force, launching a thingie, see how far it got and THEN using newtons tools to see if they still work.
In a word: can we ever substitute experience through tech?
Worse: do we WANT to do that?
Every day? (Score:2)
She is one of 650 students who receive an Apple Inc laptop each day at a state-funded school in Boston.
What is she going to do with all those computers they are giving her? One is probably enough.
It's a tool, now about using the tool properly... (Score:2)
Modern media methods that provide interactive feedback on a student progress are a good thing IMHO. Like any other tool however, it can be utilized in a fruitful fashion, or it can be abused.
A lot of the education interaction can be automated, but I still see a need for evaluation and special needs scenarios. Some kids which need either specialized guidance to make headway, or gifted kids that could deal with an accelerated program. Seriously, some kids want to take on calculus and differential equations in
Whatever happened to the old fashioned way? (Score:3, Interesting)
Funny how kids used to do a lot better when schools didn't really care about kids' self-esteem and made them work diligently on paper. The focus on using computers to make things better is just a distraction from the fact that the average public school is literally just a tax-supported daycare center that provides some education.
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Funny how kids used to do a lot better when schools didn't really care about kids' self-esteem and made them work diligently on paper.
Oooh. I expect you'll be slammed with all sorts of accusations for that bit of political incorrectness. My own opinion is the same, though I'm suspicious that a good chunk of the funding available for schools is tied up in ancillary efforts (self-esteem programs consultants, and administrators, among others) and hence not much is available for textbooks and clean bathrooms.
Re:Whatever happened to the old fashioned way? (Score:4, Interesting)
"more teachers" does not improve schools any more than "more gristle" improves a meal. It is quality of teachers that is important, and class-size limitations hurt this effort:
Some teachers and classes are naturally better suited to larger class sizes than others. If everyone teaches 30 kids, you can't take advantage of the ones that could handle 200, and you can't use that advantage to support the ones that can handle only 12.
For example, there's no reason why phys.ed. must be limited to only thirty students (except the very early grades where school is as much babysitting as anything). On the other hand, some grammar or math classes might require more individual attention than one thirtieth of a period can represent.
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it depends (Score:3, Informative)
At the secondary level, it seems to me that the impact in the technology itself. For instance, learning to use a teletype machine did not provide a long time marketable skill, but it did provide an opportunity to learn a novel device, which was cool. It made me learn how to learn. Likewise when one might learn to use a EEPROM programmer, vi, a drill, a saw, or even drive a car. All of these are learning the technology, and motivated students will learn how the technology works, and how it does not work, which is what we want anyway.
This continues to college until technology is mostly used to help us learn more efficiently. An computer index can be more efficient than a printed index. Typing paper in LaTeX can be more efficient that on a typewriter or in lower tech word processing program. The list goes on.
What I think is really important, though, is that kids are allowed to become familiar with technology, and it's use. I see classrooms where there is no play time with machines. I see primary school kids being taught by rote the parts of a computer, which little context of what a computer does. I see teachers telling students to open the internet by clicking IE. In this way technology changes the classroom very little, as we are still teaching facts with little context in reality.
Schoolboard cutout (Score:3, Interesting)
I was struck by how much it appeared to lock the teacher into the detail of the curriculum. It seemed to me that the main point of the presentation method was to confine what the teacher could say to the class.
My impression was that the technology was being used to micromanage teachers more than to enrich the learning experience for the students.
Classroom Tool (Score:5, Informative)
I recently saw a demo of a classroom tool. It played upon the peer aspect of a classroom, rather than teacher-to-student. It allowed the professor, with a tablet PC, to actively write on powerpoint slides, save the edits, etc. Nothing new there. But from the student perspective, anyone with a tablet could take their own notes the same way, watching along with the slides on their own computer (those without a tablet could type as it was web-based).
In addition, there was a blogging feature -- a few students with tablet PCs could become "bloggers" for the class, and students could tune their browsers to the blogging students' pages, and watch what they were writing.
Peer respect kept it mostly to good notes but the professor said that even if she heard the class laughing at something the blogger wrote (she never actually looked at the blogs), at least the kids were awake and possibly engaged in some part of the content. More than that, it let others consider parts of the lecture they might not have before -- sort of a group collaboration, but without the professor. A blogger might note something on a slide you hadn't thought of yet, or do a quick visible search on a word you hadn't really focused on, but upon reading the definition, more made sense.
It was really interesting and I felt a very different way of performing in the classroom. Kids staying engaged is professor's number one concern -- not every teacher is dynamic and exciting. Using a tool like this kept the kids interested because it was what they were used to: reading other kids' notes and perspectives on topics.
The tool was put out by UC San Diego:
Ubiquitous Presenter [ucsd.edu]
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My fiance, a highschool science teacher, recently ran an experiment for her specialization course. The project was designed to explore if technology can be used to support classroom learning (as opposed to the more common "idea" of replacing classroom teaching-- or when technology is just used for technology's sake)
The thesis was, basically, since students are already familiar with and enjoy using technology, the implementing a certain piece of technology would allow them to access resources they didn't hav
You know what they say... (Score:3, Funny)
An Apple Inc. laptop a day keeps the Norton Disk Doctor away...
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Not that the lessons went faster because you always have these noobs that should have never taken advanced math ("I don't understand it!", "Can you explain that again?" -teaher: "Again?!")
Sorry to break it to you, but some people actually have to --*gasp*-- ask questions to learn! Sometimes, especially in the maths, things aren't clear the first time around, especially if a student can't visualize what the hell is going on, especially in calculus where what would otherwise be a simple concept is needlessly muddied with that long-winded delta-epsilon bullshit.
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