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First Official Photos From New Star Trek Movie
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Philias Fog writes "The most secret project in Hollywood is finally lifting its skirt. Today Paramount released a number of images for their new Star Trek movie directed by JJ Abrams. Shots include images of the bridge of the Enterprise, the villain Nero, a ship (not the Enterprise) and all of the crew in uniform. TrekMovie.com has a complete set of photos and links to all the new shots."
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Spock (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Spock (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Spock (Score:5, Funny)
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Nothing good acting can't fix. (Score:5, Insightful)
I had no idea that I would end up loving Leonardo DiCaprio as much as I do now when I saw him in Titanic. But after seeing movies like Catch Me if You Can and The Aviator, you'll understand how simply being a good actor can negate these kinds of labels.
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Re:Nothing good acting can't fix. (Score:5, Insightful)
Having watched a few episodes of Heroes this season, I'd say Quinto is a better actor than the character of Sylar called for until this season. I'm prepared to lay all the shitty lines he's had on the writers at this point, and not his two-dimensional acting. In two episodes, thanks to the joy of time travel, you see him as the classic psychotic villain, someone who's looking at his life and wondering if perhaps there's a better way, and a father who's desperately fighting his demons to give his kid the life he never had. And they were convincing, to me anyway.
I think he'll play a Vulcan a million times better than what's-her-name from Enterprise, and give a respectable portrayal of Spock. His biggest problem is going to be acting in the shadow of Leonard Nimoy.
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Looking at the pictures.. (Score:3, Insightful)
leaves me wondering why they put a kid in charge of a space ship...
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
It's obvious. Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young, Doctor!
Re:Looking at the pictures.. (Score:5, Insightful)
I would think CleverNickName would be the best person to answer that one.
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Re:Looking at the pictures.. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Looking at the pictures.. (Score:5, Insightful)
You know another thing, I love how people call it Star Trek 90210, yet people fail to remember the entire cast of that show minus Brian Austen Green was like 25 when they started. They where 25 and playing 16 year olds.
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Re:Looking at the pictures.. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Is it just me... (Score:3, Interesting)
Those uniforms (Score:4, Interesting)
ST:NG had good uniforms. All the uniforms looks like joggin suits on those shots. No style, no correct tags and rankings etc.
Check out the Star-Trek Next Generation season 5-6 uniforms what example a Jean-Luc Picard had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard [wikipedia.org]
Re:Those uniforms (Score:4, Informative)
A better image of ST:NG uniforms
http://www.kabeleins.de/imperia/md/images/serien_shows/serien/_galerien/s/star_trek_tng/01_star_trek_the_next_generation_500_375_Paromount_Pictures.jpg [kabeleins.de]
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Plot synopsis (Score:4, Insightful)
MI:III I'm betting was just a rehash of an unused ALIAS script.
Not that he does bad work, it's just a little repetitive after a while.
Why!?! (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Why!?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Every Star Trek iteration has been an entirely new crew, ship, and usually mission statement. The only way to not just be "more of the same" is to revisit existing characters.
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Re:Why!?! (Score:5, Funny)
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Speaking... (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmmm (Score:4, Insightful)
Alternate (Score:5, Informative)
Question (Score:4, Funny)
I lost track, is this an even or odd Star Trek movie?
Re:no comment (Score:5, Insightful)
How on earth can the entire command staff of the Enterprise be that young? They don't require people to have serious experience (time in the field) before they can get to positions of that much responsibility?
An adolescent captain just looks wrong...
At least they got that right in (most) of the other Treks.
Other than that, nice pics; love the angry Spock one
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Insightful)
It looks like High School Space Capades. These kids are way too young and they all look way too much the same. AND William Shatner IS Captain Kirk. There is no way you can cast anybody as Kirk but Shatner. Why even go there? If they want to appeal to new younger croud, then just call it Star Trek: ABC or something. They don't know Kirk anyway. I don't think any trekkies will be happy with that.
I seriously had to check if it was April 1.
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Re:no comment (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Funny)
WNMHGB
Gesundheit.
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Insightful)
Adolescent?! The guy's 28 years old. Check IMDB, at 28, he's the youngest member of the cast which averages in the mid-30s.
You've been watching too much 90210, and may have actually come to believe that good looking mid-to-late 20s actors are teens. ;-)
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Informative)
Not to be the trek fanboy I used to be, but Kirk was the youngest captain in starfleet history. I'm assuming this is before he was legendary, and I'm sure they're going to be making the movies about how he /became/ legendary. Anyway, carry on.
PS - The Klingons didn't have a word for surrender...until they met Kirk
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Funny)
PS - The Klingons didn't have a word for surrender...until they met Kirk
This sounds awfully like:
The Klingons didn't have a word for surrender...until they met Chuck Norris [chucknorrisfacts.com] *gaah*
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Re:no comment (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Interesting)
Too young, huh? Here goes. I'm an ex submariner. As near to a futuristic, fully-operational spaceship as we're likely to see in our lifetime is a naval submarine.
The CO (That's "Commanding Officer") of our boat was a late thirty to a forty-something. An early forty-something. The remaining officers were (junior) sub thirties - One as young as 25. Ranking officers in US submarines tend to be younger than their surface fleet counterparts. Submariners are also a heck of a lot smarter. As a matter of fact, submarines are not run quite like surface fleet ships. Knowledge tends to drive submariners - not rank, so much. I've told junior to mid-ranking officers to go eff themselves after they've issued me a command to do something that they didn't realize would have disastrous consequences. When they complained, the senior officers told them to shut it, lest the rest of the crew loose more respect for that officer because of their lack of knowledge.
Here's another little thing: My first CO and XO (Late 30s to early 40 (sub-43)) were the most charismatic leaders I've ever worked under. I would have followed them to the bottom of the sea. My next CO/XO combo (early 50s/late 40s) were, IMHO, more concerned with book-keeping. It was a very unhappy three years for the entire crew under the command of those asshats. Several ranking CPOs lost the ability to advance because of bad fit-reps these two shitheads issued - our COB committed suicide on board our boat for Christ's sake. The 'official' report said the command had nothing to do with it. Sure, right. I don't believe anyone believed it. The next CO I didn't stick around long enough to get to know.
So, as for being too young? Not buying it. There are many ranking officers that are much younger than their ranking CPOs (high ranking enlisted) on board. Subsequently, junior officers are much younger than the Chief's on-board.
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Insightful)
That's what happens when you let a woman drive.
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Funny)
More like the Tiny Toon Adventures. And the Klingons are the Dizzy Devil, the Ferengi are Montana Max and the new enemy is ... of course... Elmyra.
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Actually a very long time - 11.3 days (Score:5, Informative)
You'd be suprised how little time it takes for the air to escape from a relatively small container such as the Enterprise into a practically infinite vacuum through a hole a few inch in diameter.
What bothers me more is the smoke in the left side of the picture. Anyone here knows how smoke 'should' behave in space?
Let's be generous and say a 10 cm hole - that's just under four inches.
Well, I don't know the math, but I've worked around compressed air systems a little, and I found a little chart for gas flow through pipes of varying diameters and lengths. Air at atmospheric pressure is at 14.5 pounds per square inch - not very high pressure. This is not very high, so it's not like punching a hole in a compressed air tank.
If we guess that the hull is 3 cm thick, and the hole is 10 cm in diameter (the hole is effectively a pipe), according to the ancient looking chart I found, the flow rate is 748 liters per second. (This is assuming I'm interpreting this correctly).
I can't be bothered to do too much googling for this, but a Constitution class starship is 305 meters long. Let's just guess that it's 120 meters wide and an average of 20 meters thick. I know rabid trekkies will correct all this, but it's not important to be all that accurate. 305 x 120 x 20 = 732,000 cubic meters. That's 732 million liters, for those still reading. 732 million liters divided by 748 liters per second is 978,609 seconds to empty the ship to vacuum.
That's 11.3 days to empty the ship through a 10 cm diameter hole. All based on guesses and an old chart from an engineering handbook, but it's better than just saying "little time".
Of course, I could be wrong.
It might take longer; especially when you consider that as the ship empties, the internal pressure drops - when half the air is gone, the atmospheric pressure inside is only 7.25 psi, so the flow rate is also reduced in half - so it might take a month or more to completely equalize the internal and external pressures (external being close to zero).
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Re:Actually a very long time - 11.3 days (Score:4, Interesting)
I know rabid trekkies will correct all this
I wasn't going to, but now I can't resist.
a Constitution class starship is 305 meters long
Well, after the refit, the Enterprise became 305 meters long. However, the refit happened after the 5-year mission, so this Enterprise is 289 meters long.
Let's just guess that it's 120 meters wide
That's probably overestimating quite a bit. Sounds about right for the saucer section, but the engineering section isn't anywhere near as wide.
and an average of 20 meters thick
Well, the ship has 24 decks, but it's not a cube. Actually, that's really the biggest problem with your estimate there. You'd arrive at a much closer volume if you divided the ship up between saucer, nacelles, and engineering hulls. Then sum them up.
but it's not important to be all that accurate
Blasphemy! I have to head to work right now, but I somebody else should take my recommendation and get on that.
The rest of your calculations seem pretty good, though :)
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13 psi you start to get wobbly (Score:5, Informative)
At what point does the atmospheric pressure become dangerous to people inside the ship?
At 5.8 psi you become unconscious, but even at 90% of normal atmospheric pressure (13 psi) most people would be strongly affected by the reduced oxygen saturation.
You can imagine that the internal structure of the ship would slow the flow the further away from the breach you are, so pressure would be lowest in the breached compartment, and higher as you move away from it. Seems like automatic airtight doors are a staple of Star Trek, so chances are only that one compartment or an area of the ship would be affected anyway.
Plenty of time to get to an escape pod, transport out, or put on a space suit, anyway.
Unless you're standing next to the hole and get stuck to it. In which case you'd seal it nicely, saving the air and getting a nasty bruise.
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Re:Actually a very long time - 11.3 days (Score:5, Funny)
A constitution class ship has neither an infinitely thin skin, nor is it 100% hollow, nor is it a perfect box. Your air volume calculation needs work.
More or less what I said in my post. So what's your estimate, captain pedant?
I guessed that the skin was 3 cm thick at the hull breach, but on TV it looks like several separate layers. I also remember what one of the "experts" said about the aircraft that hit the World Trade Center; that the aircraft had similar density to an empty soda can. Since aircraft and TV spacecraft seem to be somewhat similar in construction, I made an engineering decision to throw out the volume occupied by the material the ship itself is constructed from and it's contents.
Heck, I made the ship a rectangular box. It doesn't look like one, but I remember from a course I took on designing gating systems for metal castings (fluid systems to feed odd-shaped empty cavities) that simplifying the shape you're trying to feed (to or from, it doesn't matter) makes the calculations a lot simpler. A more accurate volume guess would be a set of cylindrical sections (the saucer is a very short, wide cylinder for example).
But, who has the time.
Even if I did that, people like you'd probably want me to factor in the effect of bedsheets and seat cushions, and liquid water that would flash to steam from the sinks and toilets.
In short, you can't ever make a rabid fan happy, so why even try?
That was a rhetorical question, by the way.
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Re:no comment (Score:5, Insightful)
It's just a movie after all. I hear 50 Cent is still into acting, maybe we can remake Schindler's List since Indian Jones already got the new Speilburg treatment.
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Re:no comment (Score:4, Informative)
John Paul Jones commanded his first fighting ship at 29.
Cochrane took a 32 gun frigate with a 16 gun sloop at the age of 26.
Steven Decatur fought the Barbary Pirates in a sloop at 24.
Edward Pellew was made post at 23. His brother Israel was made a commander at 32.
I could go through most of the list of captains at Trafalgar and do the same thing.
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Re:no comment (Score:4, Funny)
Star date Nine zero
Two
One zero.
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Isn't that why they chose Trek? (Score:5, Interesting)
To get the fans who MUST watch everything under that name ... because they fell in love with something in a previous series / movie / cartoon / book?
So why complain when those same fans complain that X doesn't match the way it was depicted in Y?
If the movie is good enough on its own, then the complaints will be minor nit-picks.
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Re:Wait... is this an even or odd number Trek? (Score:5, Informative)
Bah.
There are rules. Well, mostly. The rules for rec.arts.startrek.* from way back when seem to apply just as well today: if you saw it on the screen, large or small, it's 'canon' -- officially part of the Trek Universe.
Any discrepancies in on-screen material are just blown off as a YATIs -- Yet Another Trek Inconsistency. It's not like a movie and television project that has spanned almost 40 years, 5 television series, about a dozen movies and has had literally hundreds of writers can possibly keep everything consistent. Get over it.
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Re:Wait... is this an even or odd number Trek? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Wait... is this an even or odd number Trek? (Score:5, Funny)
Considering Sulu was running around with Kumar getting stoned on the weekends and escaping from Guantanamo, it's no wonder it took him so long.
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Re:Wait... is this an even or odd number Trek? (Score:5, Funny)
That's dangerous, artillery is quite heavy.
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Re:Wait... is this an even or odd number Trek? (Score:5, Funny)
I find it kinda hard to swallow that Sulu took an additional 25 years to rank captain.
But haven't the fans complained for years about the prejudice against gays in Trek?
Or did I misunderstand that?
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Re:I hate Hollywood. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:I hate Hollywood. (Score:5, Funny)
they aren't raping anything, they're re-imagining.
Your Honour, the defendant didn't rape the victim. He simply re-imaginined her vagina with his penis in it.
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