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Pirate Yourself, Become a Best-Seller
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kdawson
on Fri Jan 25, 2008 08:54 AM
from the old-time-religion dept.
from the old-time-religion dept.
I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "It sounds like a dotcom-era business plan: 1) give it away, 2) ???, 3) make pots of money. Author Paulo 'Pirate' Coelho leapt out of obscurity and onto the best-seller list by giving away his books on the Net. The best-selling author of 'The Alchemist' will even help you pirate his books via his blog. His publishers were not pleased, but then his books went from selling 1,000 copies to 100,000 and then over a million. He gives special credit to pirate translators who are making his work accessible to a wider audience and convincing more people to read his book."
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He's not the only one... (Score:5, Informative)
Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with S2, nor am I a fan of their game, just their business model.
Effective by design (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Effective by design (Score:5, Informative)
I feel it isn't ground breaking, but his little thing on physics really put into words what I've been feeling for a long time. Worth a read.
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Re:Effective by design (Score:4, Insightful)
I strongly recommend reading the full text. It's really worth it.
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Re:Effective by design (Score:4, Interesting)
Intellectual property is exactly as imaginary as physical property. Both refer to "rights". Rights are inherently intangible. And contrary to their names, they both have physical ("real") referents.
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Re:He's not the only one... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:He's not the only one... (Score:5, Informative)
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How long have we been saying it? (Score:5, Insightful)
I have yet to meet anyone with enormous digital collections of copyrighted works that didn't also have enormous physical collections of copyrighted works.
This is yet another clear illustration of what really drives the consumer and forgetting about lawyers trying to justify their existence, let the MARKETERS take notice that this is most likely to be a very successful business model for the future.
Re:How long have we been saying it? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:How long have we been saying it? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think that the reason CD sales have taken such a dive is that single sales have made a comeback. People have complained for a long time that albums only contain one or two good songs. Buying those two songs as CD singles would have cost as much as the whole album, but now you can get both singles for $2 via a number of sources. It doesn't take a genius to see how going from a $15 sale to a $2 or maybe $3 sale is going to hurt the industry. When they attack piracy they are not addressing the problem. Hell, if I ever felt the slightest shred of guilt in pirating, the industry sure has cured that!
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That's more of an oblique way to screw them on money, since they get paid royalties for each play on the radio. Fewer radio listeners drives down advertising rates and radio revenues, and creates downward pressure on royalties.
Re:How long have we been saying it? (Score:4, Funny)
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Medium of Choice (Score:4, Insightful)
Does this mean that it doesn't work like this for purely digital works? No, but it isn't evidence that it does either.
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I've been saying it for years. (Score:4, Interesting)
Interesting fact with that article, shortly after writing it Moira Allen decided to post all of her hundreds of articles under the Creative Commons as well. The real revolutionary thing about the Creative Commons and piracy is the viral marketing side of it. Companies have known for a long time that giving away free samples is awesome marketing, they just tend to cost considerably but with digital media this can be negated to almost nothing.
Sure some people don't buy your stuff, but in a lot of cases they wouldn't buy it anyway. You can also make up for a lower quality product by pirating it. For one thing it's off limits, for another it's free, and lastly it's obviously liked by other people otherwise it wouldn't be pirated. All these factors combine to make piracy and Open Licenses very powerful marketing tools that most companies are just missing out on.
I've actually covered the benefits of Philanthropic Marketing [dynamicmar...utions.com] on my blog. This includes Open Source, Open Licensing, and just plain helping out in the community to foster a stronger community and help it thrive. A lot of the FOSS crowd seems to be a bit socialistic in their viewpoints and try to convert people that way. I prefer to cater to their greed and self-interest which we all have and which FOSS and sharing in general are compatible with.
If anyone's interested in learning more or getting help with a philanthropic marketing campaign drop me a line at the email address mentioned on my blog.
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Which dosn't have any effect on record companies sales figures. There are three possibilities; download instead of buy; buy because of "previewing" through download and would just do without in the absence of a download. What actually matters for music sales is the first
Corroborating evidence (Score:5, Insightful)
Truer words were never spoken. (Score:3, Interesting)
"Quite frankly, the whole point of slashdot is to have this big public wanking session with people getting together and making their own "insightful" comment on any random topic, whether they know anything about it or not."
-- Linus Torvalds
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Here you go [baen.com]. You could probably get a lot more from reading the other "Prime Palavers" and the slashdot [slashdot.org] articles [slashdot.org] discussing those, but my hunch is that you won't bother.
If you'd like to prove my hunch wrong, there's also a few [mises.org] more [openbusiness.cc] people [simplenomics.com] out there with the same experience as Baen.
Before claiming RIAA should learn (Score:5, Insightful)
Music however got digitized. People don't own high end equipment any longer because the sound will still suck, we are used to music being digital and convenient. A lot of people have gotten used to the idea of music being something massively stored in a box on the network. When you got the music in digital format pirated you don't get any additional value by buying the CD.
RIAA/MPAA still need to get their act together and treat their costumers with respect. (He talks about getting to know your audience)
On a side note, I'm definitely grabbing a copy of the book (as in printed kind from a store) to check it out.
Re:Before claiming RIAA should learn (Score:4, Interesting)
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When you read a scroll its natural for you to sit with it, hand-printed, preferably in some handy format where you unroll and roll. It makes sense to let people try before they buy. Personally I sit in my bed with a pot of wine, its nice comfy and let me really enter the world(s) of the scroll.
[1500 years later]
Music however got recorded. People don't own musical instruments any longer because the sound will still suck, we are us
Re:Won't work with games either... (Score:4, Interesting)
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On a related subject (Score:5, Interesting)
Not the first to notice it, but a different way. (Score:5, Insightful)
He's not the first author to notice that "giving away" (quotes intended) your books via the Internet leads to increased sales. This might be called an extension of what Baen discovered several years ago. Let people read your books "for free," don't stick restrictions on them, and quite a number of them will end up purchasing those books and others by the author.
I think he's one of the first to really show that encouraging "piracy" actually leads to increased book sales. Obviously, you have to be a good writer in the first place - if your stuff sucks, it doesn't matter whether you give it away or not - but if you are, it'll encourage people to read what you're writing, and buy your books. Somehow, I think that this will get lost on the "suits" at the major publishers, though.
Re:Not the first to notice it, but a different way (Score:4, Insightful)
one copy = one lost sale
I don't know where this logic comes from...
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No Substitute (Score:4, Insightful)
This is why people will continue to buy books and how publishers should be making money in this new economy.
This is nothing new (Score:3, Insightful)
Getting attention (Score:3, Insightful)
Mal Reynolds from Firefly said it best.... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Same for Education (Score:5, Interesting)
Theoretical model of intellectual property? (Score:4, Insightful)
We need a better theoretical model of intellectual property. Somehow the generally accepted ideas have been shown again and again to be wildly wrong. It is really stupid that most people don't seem to notice that they have to change their thinking.
Paulo Coelho ... (Score:5, Informative)
from wikipedia:
Re:Paulo Coelho ... (Score:5, Insightful)
I am willing to bet that releasing the books in electronic format for free hasn't increased his popularity by more than 1%.
Disclaimer: I can't really stand his novels. They are pretty light, claiming and trying to seem deeper and more meaningful. Umberto Eco he clearly ain't.
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Over-hype (Score:3, Interesting)
This is not a plan for everyone (Score:3, Insightful)
The usual model for giving away content works like this:
1) I can't compete with the bigger brands in my area, so I'll give away what I have for free.
2) The quality of my work will establish me, and fame (eg user base) will lead to big things.
It worked for PHP, but you can't say it worked for PostgreSQL, which was based on something that was famous already. Ditto for Radiohead and Coelho. They're not a good model for most of us.
Word of Mouth (Score:4, Insightful)
One way to think about it is that this instance of astroturfing was a way to create activation energy" [wikipedia.org] necessary to get the "popularity reaction" going. If there is no word of mouth because no one has a copy of the book (or other media) it will probably just sit on shelves and never sell. This fellow was clever enough to create a little artificial demand that turned into the real thing. Just a well done example of a cleverly run public relations [wikipedia.org] campaign. Done right it is very effective and much cheaper than advertising.
Oddly enough (Score:3, Interesting)
Obscurity? Paulo Coelho? (Score:5, Informative)
Paulo Coelho obscure?
Yet another proof that slashdot editors really don't control anything that gets posted here
Paulo Coelho has sold around 100 million books on 150 countries and has been translated to more than 66 languages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Coelho [wikipedia.org]. Somehow the bozo submiting stories will credit all of that to torrent publicity? Check out (in the portuguese wikipedia) http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Coelho [wikipedia.org] the number of international prises he got way before torrents were in any way popular. Please just read the list of prises he got BEFORE 2000.
Yeah, obscure all the way. Indeed.
BTW, what's the name of that obscure comedy writer that released a book on the internet, and after he got famous, decided not to do that again? Oh, yeah that would be (otherwise unknown) Scott Adams http://www.themillionsblog.com/2007/11/giving-it-away-for-free.html [themillionsblog.com] ... Another usurper of the torrent comunity no doubt!
Free is the new Profit-maker (Score:4, Insightful)
I've also been doing it for years: I've declined to copyright anything I've written, designed, or produced digitally, for about 10 years. In that time, I've made "pots of money" because of it. Why? It's a marketing tool. Give it away, have people use it or reference it, and build your reputation to sell your labors for future projects.
I can't believe others don't do it. I helped a few local bands reach national prominence (magazines, MTV2, etc) by giving away their recorded music in exchange for building a fan-base who would buy their not-so-easily-copied dookie at shows. It works.
I've maintained blogs that have driven people to my subscription-only print newsletter, which I then tell people to give away when they're done reading it. Guess what? That, too, has brought more subscribers.
The future is not about piracy, it's about marketability. You should NEVER hope to make money on something you've already done, but on what you can do. When people see your ability, they'll be more captive in hiring you for a future need. That's where you make your money. If you're an author, give away that e-book: people hate reading things electronically still, and will probably decide to just buy that $10 printed novel or how-to book. Books are cheap to produce now, even one-offs. My print-on-demand supplier has been offering me paperbacks for under $4 printed, so I can sell it for $11 and make a reasonable profit. What's the problem with understanding that?
I'm still shocked at how many content-creators and artists don't want to give away their old works to build future profits. They're too protective of their intellectual property, and unwilling to accept that we're all whores for profit but usually unwilling to actually work hard to earn that profit. I can't begin to count how many "artists" work their rears off to try to become that one hit wonder rather than embracing the idea that working for your entire life is a better end-goal. It's a risk versus reward belief that I stumbled across when I was much younger: why risk putting everything into the hope that you'll be the lucky one out of a million to hit it big on a single item?
In piratese... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:In piratese... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:In piratese... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:I for one (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm just really tired of the lumping together of all kinds of filesharing under the heading "piracy".
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Re:I for one (Score:5, Funny)
Stupid copyright infringers don't even steal, they're in trouble for giving shit away. We REAL pirates don't give nothin' away, we cut yer throat and keep it ourselves. Now get your arsse on that plank, yer gettin' keel hauled.
While I got you here, I'm feedin' ya some Spam [slashdot.org] since thar ain't no real meat today. Now tell me before I run ya through, should I find a publisher for The Paxil Diaries [kuro5hin.org]?
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Re:I for one (Score:5, Funny)
Now please would you let me off this plank?
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Re:I for one (Score:5, Funny)
Sure thing, matey
*splash*
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Re:I for one (Score:5, Insightful)
As an aside, my local library now has e-books as well as audiobooks and music available over the Internet for anyone with a library card.
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Re:Change bank (Score:5, Insightful)
So giving away product increases sales? If the sale price is zero how do you make money?
Because you're overlooking an important point. You're talking about the "product" existing in two different formats. One, the electronic version, is being given away. The other, the "dead tree" version, is being sold. The production costs of the first are minimal compared to the second. There is also a real difference in the user experience and quality between the two. Giving away the first product leads to interest in it, and increases the likelihood of someone purchasing the second product.
Publishers already "give away" their product. Go to any library, and you can check out a book "for free." This can lead to interest in a given author, and make the people who read the "free" book look for, and purchase, other books by that author. This is well-known, and has been for years. The only difference is that it is now being extended to electronic media. In effect, the "free" stuff is a loss-leader. You're not making your money off the free stuff, but to increase the sales of the stuff you are making money from.
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Re:Online "library" (Score:4, Informative)
Do you mean like Oreilly's Safari service [oreilly.com]?
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Remove the