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2008 Beijing Olympics as a Media Test-Bed
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ScuttleMonkey
on Mon Jul 07, 2008 03:45 PM
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CNN is reporting that NBC is using the 2008 Olympics in Beijing as a test-bed to understand how people are using different media platforms. "NBC has scheduled 3,600 hours of Olympics programming on its main network, along with Telemundo, USA, Oxygen, MSNBC, CNBC and Bravo. That's the equivalent of eight days of programming packed into each day. In addition, the company is planning to make 2,200 hours of streaming video available on NBCOlympics.com. Consumers may also get video on demand via their computer and Olympics content through their mobile phones."
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The Olymp-whats? (Score:2, Insightful)
The problem with this test is: who's actually going to watch the Olympics?
If they're using the Olymipcs as a test bed to see how people view media, then somebody in that department needs to be fired. You can't test a wide range of media on content that nobody's going to view in the first place (at least not enough to make it a real "test" of various media strengths).
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A surprising number of people do watch them. I don't know why- most of the sports on the list would draw record lows on ESPN8. But throw in the every 4 years thing and some flags, and all of a sudden a large number of people care.
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Re:The Olymp-whats? (Score:5, Funny)
I'm a member of a Curling Club [circlecitycurling.com] , you insensitive clod!
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Curling's a winter sport, dude. Come back in two years.
When's women's beach volleyball on?
Re:The Olymp-whats? (Score:4, Insightful)
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In a bunch of sports that nobody cares about. Like I said- throw in some flags, and for some reason people watch.
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Even more than that, it is a pure humanist celebration. Even though two countries hate each other, they compete together fairly under the same rules, and acknowledge when they lose. The entire world is also looking at one city for a while and if you follow the coverage you'll inevitably understand that place a little better.
And that's just the sports, there is all sorts of cultural stuff that goes on. Saying the Olympics are all curling and ribbon dancing is like saying the world cup is just a bunch of p
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Re:The Olymp-whats? (Score:4, Informative)
Beijing expects four billion TV viewers for '08 Games [reuters.com]
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Nobody's watching? You better tell the 4 billion people who were planning to do just that...
Historically, the Olympics have gotten low viewership in the West even when we host the Olympics. I think the Beijing estimates are a bit rosy even though they would now of course be higher due to domestic viewership in China.
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Chinese government to citizens: Watch the Olympics or be killed.
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The Olympics are Vista and Silverlight only (Score:2)
So it's more of a narrow test even than you might think. To participate you have to have more money than sense. The advertisers should love it.
Until the servers go down, anyway. Microsoft might have some smart folks, but they're no YouTube.
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The message I got trying to watch one of the videos:
"Video is currently supported on the following browsers:
- Internet Explorer 6, 7 for Windows (2003, XP SP2 or greater, and Vista)
- Firefox 2 for Windows (2003, XP SP2 or greater, and Vista) and Mac OS 10.4.8+ (Intel only)
- Safari 2, 3 for Mac OS 10.4.8+ (Intel only)
- (coming soon) Firefox 3.x for Windows (2003, XP SP2 or greater, and Vista) and Mac OS 10.4.8+ (Intel only)"
*Disclaimer* I knew it would not work, just curious on what would happen. I run Kubun
Re:The Olympics are Vista and Silverlight only (Score:4, Interesting)
Since September 2007, we've had Silverlight 1.0, Silverlight 1.1, Silverlight 2 Beta 1, and two weeks back, Silverlight 2 Beta 2. None of the versions are backwards-compatible, in fact, between 1.0 and 1.1, the computing model had completely changed. code developed for one version isn't operable in others.
Second of all, this is the standard MS release cycle. They do an alpha or CTP. Then they do one or two betas. Then they do one or two RC's, and finally RTM.
The Olympics start on 8-8-08. Today's date is 8-7-08. We're at Ver 2 Beta 2 now. By your words, they need to do an alpha, at least one RC and then release NBCOlympics.com in production. All this in a month.
Gosh, Firefox 3 went through what, 6 RC's in one month. YEAH! DESPERATION!!!!! I SPITE AT THEE MICROSOFT, FROM MY MOTHERS BASEMENT!
I work with Silverlight on a daily basis; you can see some of the work my team did on the Silverlight showcase site (won't point to the exact entry). None of the work, though, was developed on Firefox, nor did we do any of it in my mom's basement.
Trust me when I say this, MS has been _extremely_ aggressive in rolling out new features and versions in Silverlight. We think the only reason they're so aggressive is because of the Olympics; this is a hard production deadline they can't afford to miss. That is why we have versions every month. Hence my supposition of there being panic in Redmond.
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will they actually cover the sports this time? (Score:5, Insightful)
The other networks have to turn it into a fucking soap opera giving you a 20 minute tear-jerker biography of the damn athlete before each event. That cuts into time that could be better spent, I don't know, covering the actual Olympics? There are so many sports that don't even make it on television.
Re:will they actually cover the sports this time? (Score:4, Funny)
Tell me about it. [slashdot.org]
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Re:will they actually cover the sports this time? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:will they actually cover the sports this time? (Score:4, Insightful)
This is what I hate. Just show the events and forget the Costas crap "human interest" commentary.
There are essentially three ways to cover the Olympics:
1. Nationalistic Penis Waving
-My Country is better than yours; what a victory for [Country]
2. Human interest pieces
-[Athlete] worked so hard for this victory
3. Technical analysis of the event
-Look at his/her form in [event], the hip rotation generates power, etc etc etc
Of those three, which do you think is the hardest and most expensive to get right?
Hint: hiring knowledgeable & telegenic commentators for hundreds of events is not simple or cheap.
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Unlikely, NBC is famous for the 20 minute biographicals and has exclusive rights to broadcast the Olympics in the US through the 2012 games. (So far...)
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I've basically given up watching the broadcasts for exactly that reason. You only get 3 or 4 minutes of actual competition followed by a 15 minute sob story about some athlete having to deal with the deaths of her mother/father/sibling/uncle/pet goat after which they cut back to the studio where the talking head says where they'll be going to some time later but first these 10 minutes of commercials. And good luck getting any time for sports where the Americans are out of competition. Its simply not worth t
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Agreed. I just want to see people compete at the highest level so I can see what something look likes when it's done "the best" it can be done.
If I want to know someones life story I'll check wikipedia.
BBC streamed last olympics online, didn't they? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:BBC streamed last olympics online, didn't they? (Score:4, Interesting)
And the reason people were going to the BBC for online content was.... NBC's coverage sucks.
NBC insists on covering the Olympics "live", in prime time. Problem is - the Olympics are being held in a different time zone. So NBC tapes the events, blocks any "live" coverage that it can, and then presents the taped event in EST prime time as if was live. (That's why so many of the events on TV have *surprise* American winners - they just discard the tapes from events where the Americans lose badly).
Hopefully, if NBC is streaming content, they'll stream really live content from all sports. If not... then broadcasters that do a decent job in other countries will see a large uptick in their traffic.
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Quality of the video streaming (Score:5, Insightful)
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1. Can you even use BitTorrent for video streaming?
2. We're talking about live video, too.
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4. Profits
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Re:Quality of the video streaming (Score:4, Insightful)
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HD feeds wouldn't work out so well, as most people don't have the bandwidth. Bittorrent wouldn't be good for NBC, because think about what happens when the masses start learning how to use bittorrent. You know someone will edit out the commercials and create new torrents that will quickly become more popular than NBC's torrents.
However, it's not hopeless. I think they should create a proprietary, cross-platform P2P based Olympics viewer. A user could simply rank the events they were most interested in, and
Time shifting options (Score:2)
My fiancee is a big fan of the olympics. We'll be out of the country for the first few weeks of August with no intentions of watching any TV. So she's looking into DVR options. I think every minute of coverage will be available somewhere on the internet after we get back. It'll certainly be easier than trying to pick everything to record beforehand. But she's afraid to take the chance that she'll miss something.
So will NBC or others make all of the video available online immediately after the events?
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So will NBC or others make all of the video available online immediately after the events? Will someone else?
Seeing the Olympic is an international event you might be able to foreign websites to view streaming video as long as you don't mind it being in your native language.
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Seeing the Olympic is an international event you might be able to foreign websites to view streaming video as long as you don't mind it being in your native language.
Ummm.. But assuming that all the people on Slashdot have English as their native language there are lots of other countries that speak English that may have it streaming, though some may have IP blocks for US IPs...
What is this thing? (Score:3, Funny)
A Joke (Score:2, Informative)
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The coverage may be bad, but, hey, be thankful your favourite sport is in the Olympics. Some of us love sports that are ideal [wikipedia.org] candidates, but don't make it in because of stupid IOC politics. :-(
In other news: NBC declares war on our minds! (Score:2)
Spielberg's "Minority Report" might not be a classic, but it was very savvy in it's predictions about technology. In particular, the above quote brings to mind the excessively invasive advertising keyed to individuals via eye-scans. You can tell these NBC bastards have a hard-on for that kind of future.
We're basically in a one-sided war. Advertisers are pulling together intelligence and getting orga
well duh (Score:2)
if you get CBC... (Score:4, Informative)
they do an outstanding job covering the Olympics, if you can get it.
while they of course emphasize Canadian athletes, they don't cater to them exclusively.
and you get to actually watch complete events. not flip from event to event in a format apparently designed only for those with attention deficit.
I bet CBC even gets some of the smog on screen. what a wonderful place to run long distances...
Back in the Atlanta olympics (Score:2)
"We have just had a report that other countries are competing in the olympics. Now back to our coverage"
That has pretty well summed up every telecast I have seen in recent times, and what I fear will happen for Beijing no matter how many hours of coverage they stream/broadcast
Bravo? (Score:3, Funny)
YEA!!! Eight hours a day with 20 minutes of action (Score:3, Insightful)
I can't even watch the Olympics anymore thanks to NBC bastardizing it. It's like they swap out the NBC sports division with the staff from Lifetime.
Guess what NBC, I WANT to see the fucking prelim races for ALL of the track and Field events. Not just 1/10th of the final race/event with 10 hours of stories about the F'n athletes that don't even win.
DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE!!! You've killed the Olympics NBC, and your network is in last place for a good reason. Isn't it time for Law and Order Peoria to make it's debut?!?!?!?
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Microsoft Silverlight Gets a High Profile Win: 2008 Beijing Olympics [techcrunch.com].
NBC got incentivized. After Microsoft failed to gain control of Yahoo to use it as a channel to force Silverlight dominance, the NBC agreement was the fallback.
Not just Silverlight only (Score:5, Informative)
The actual events will require both Silverlight and Vista.
Thereby making absolutely certain that the videos won't be cached, transcoded and redistributed within seconds of their first webcast. You won't be able to archive them or time shift them or view them on the evil Lunix or your otherwise capable crackberry or eee pc. Right? Right? Because Vista's secure media transport and display has been perfected and will never be cracked.
This streamed olympic footage will not be available for fair use, ever. Not even long after even those who participated have ceased to care. Me, I don't care already. If they stream it to an open platform I might watch some of it but Vista alone is too much of a price to pay, let alone Silverlight. I think instead I'll click over to CNN and see if they manage to smuggle out footage of protesters.
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Re:Not just Silverlight only (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh, really? [nwsource.com]
The Seattle PI reports: "However, there's a catch- this generous helping of everything from taekwondo to equestrian is exclusively available to Windows Vista users."
Now read my post again. Is some part of it not in agreement with the facts?
I think you're deliberately misunderstanding me in order to muddy the issue.
The NBC "Olympics On The Go" service will only be broadcast to users of Windows Vista [arstechnica.com]. You can have the Olympics in "up to HD" but only if you take Vista too. I can only presume they are afraid their servers couldn't handle the load of allowing it to the broad audience of popular operating systems and handheld devices, even though users of that equipment are a much bigger market for their advertisers.
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