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RIAA Gives Up In Atlantic Recording v. Brennan
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on Fri Jan 09, 2009 08:07 AM
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from the wasn't-one-of-the-ghostbusters-named-ray? dept.
NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In Atlantic Recording v. Brennan, the landmark Connecticut case in which the first decision rejecting the RIAA's 'making available' theory was handed down, the RIAA has finally thrown in the towel and dismissed its own case. Mr. Brennan never appeared in the case at all. In February, 2008, the RIAA's motion for a default judgment was rejected for a number of reasons, including the Court's ruling (PDF) that there is no claim for 'making available for distribution' under the US Copyright Act. The RIAA moved for reconsideration; that motion was denied. Then, in December, the RIAA's second motion for default judgment was rejected. Finally the RIAA filed a 'notice of dismissal' ending the case."
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NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "A federal judge in Connecticut has rejected the RIAA's 'making available' theory, which is the basis of all of the RIAA's peer to peer file sharing cases. In Atlantic v. Brennan, in a 9-page opinion [PDF], Judge Janet Bond Arterton held that the RIAA needs to prove 'actual distribution of copies', and cannot rely — as it was permitted to do in Capitol v. Thomas — upon the mere fact that there are song files on the defendant's computer and that they were 'available'. This is the same issue that has been the subject of extensive briefing in two contested cases in New York, Elektra v. Barker and Warner v. Cassin. Judge Arterton also held that the defendant had other possible defenses, such as the unconstitutionality of the RIAA's damages theory and possible copyright misuse flowing from the record companies' anticompetitive behavior."
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Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
And as they have their claws into Obama via Biden and not an RIAA lawyer appointed to the administration (Tom Perrelli for associate attorney general and David Ogden for deputy attorney general). To me hiring this man comes awful close to breaking a promise of not lobbyist in his administration..
Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Insightful)
That's why I said this is *close* to breaking the promise nit that he did break the promise. Since about 2001 this guy has been on speed dial for a lobby group. I am unable to find anything he has done outside of the Recording industry for the past seven years. This, to me, is straining the spirit of that promise.. The guy decided to make his bones throwing for one industry while in public life (2001-2008) and lawyer or not that says something about his relationship to lobbyist..
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm getting a little tired of the relentless bashing of the guy a genuine majority of the country elected.
If you're tired of that, then you're tired of democracy.
I voted for him, and I don't care if every other person in the country voted for him and elected him unanimous proclamation.
He is president, not king. And when we disagree with something he does, we're going to let him know about it.
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:4, Insightful)
Mr. Beckerman, I don't live in a democracy.
I do.
I don't like democracy.
I like democracy.
Democracy has never been shown to work as a national government
Yes it is one of the least convenient forms of governance.
and I frankly don't believe it can.
I don't know if it can or can't; I just know that it has to.
I live in a representative republic.
Not me. I live in a democracy.
The howling masses screaming about every single action the president-elect takes are the only proof I need that democracy is a bad idea.
The howling masses screaming about every single action the president-elect takes are the only proof I need that democracy is the greatest idea the human race ever had.
I've reread the thread
Well you're even more of a glutton for punishment than I am.
in hopes there was an actual argument that I missed, or a disagreement with a policy Obama intends to enact. All I can find is the shrill and unfounded claim that Obama will lie as bad or worse than the Bush/Cheney camp has lied for the last 8 years.
You are engaging in fallacious reasoning on this point. I do not have to 'disagree with a policy' the President-Elect intends to enact in order to criticize one of his appointments. I am critical of his appointment of Thomas Pelletti because I do not think Mr. Pelletti is of good enough character to hold the position to which he is being appointed. I have no idea what policies Obama will enact, and I do not even think Mr. Pelletti will be enacting any policies at all. I just criticize the appointment. That doesn't make me shrill. And my criticism is not unfounded.
This is not disagreeing with what he's doing or has done, this is simple minds hating without reason.
I don't hate Mr. Obama. I have high hopes form him. And I don't disagree with his policies because I don't know what they are yet.
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:4, Insightful)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's also illegal in the U.S. for a lawyer to refuse a case based on their personal opinions one way or the other. Just because a lawyer made a case in court doesn't mean they actually believe their own rhetoric. Lobbyists, now that's another story.
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Informative)
I believe it's ... illegal in the U.S. for a lawyer to refuse a case based on their personal opinions one way or the other
You are 100% incorrect.
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Re:OK, so the code geek in me just has to ask... (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Informative)
Consider yourself corrected...
Only a public defender *has* to take a case and even then there are ways to get out of it. A private lawyer working, usually, with the initiator of a law suit, can say no for any reason they want (outside of normal discrimination laws)
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:4, Insightful)
>>>also illegal in the U.S. for a lawyer to refuse a case based on their personal opinions one way or the other.
I doubt that. Matlock and Perry Mason refused cases all the time. ;-) But seriously, if I was a lawyer I would refuse to do any case I felt was unethical, same as I would refuse as an engineer to develop a biological weapon that indiscriminately targets children. There's a Law higher than Congressional law.
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:4, Informative)
That's the problem with the RIAA's lawyers. In my opinion, they crossed the ethics line. I can get behind advocating for a client you don't agree with. I can't get behind breaking the law, misrepresenting facts, and filing suits without an adequate basis.
Thanks for expressing it so well, Zordak.
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey remember when these guys used to SELL MUSIC?
They never sold music, they sold records. The music was just a reason to get you to buy a black piece of plastic with grooves, or a silver piece of plastic with rainbows. If they were selling music to you, you would own the music and it would be yours to do with as you wished. As it was, you could do anything you wished with the plastic disk, but not the music it contained.
The folks who publich sheet music for musicians to buy in music stores sell music.
Now the majors are trying to rent music and call it a sale. All they are selling is a service, a download of bits. Whether or not there is DRM you have no rights to the music you "buy" from them. You are paying only for the download. IMO sixty nine cents for a download of bits you have no rights to is insane.
The indies are far more honest and reasonable; they give the music away on websites and via P2P, using the music itself as a reason for you to buy other things (CDs, t-shirts, etc).
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Informative)
The indies are far more honest and reasonable; they give the music away on websites and via P2P, using the music itself as a reason for you to buy other things (CDs, t-shirts, etc).
Indies also sell their music, and anyone who professes to hate the RIAA should be sure to buy music from indie performers.
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Insightful)
I've been reading these stories for years and wanted to thank you for the good work you have all done.
It's changed my perspective and my families purchasing habits with music. Everyone I speak with knows I don't purchase music when the RIAA will benefit from it.
I go to sites such as secondspin.com, gametz.com or amazon.com marketplace and purchase second hand music if I must have that song. Also I've been using google to find independents to purchase directly online.
The internet is a liberating tool. Another reason I'm hoping it becomes like public roads. Everyone should have it available and fast. This way we can punish organizations such as these guys by taking our money elsewhere.
Over the last few years I've also switched my home computers to Ubuntu Linux (kicking Microsoft out) and replaced Concast Internet with a local provider. Similar reasons. I don't like their poor attitude and won't do business with them.
This is the only way everyday people will get these companies attention. Perhaps they will figure it out. Then again, perhaps they will be the ones asking for a bail out as well.
Thanks again and keep up the great work!
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Re:Not the end by a longshot (Score:5, Informative)
I've been reading these stories for years and wanted to thank you for the good work you have all done. It's changed my perspective and my families purchasing habits with music. Everyone I speak with knows I don't purchase music when the RIAA will benefit from it. I go to sites such as secondspin.com, gametz.com or amazon.com marketplace and purchase second hand music if I must have that song. Also I've been using google to find independents to purchase directly online. The internet is a liberating tool. Another reason I'm hoping it becomes like public roads. Everyone should have it available and fast. This way we can punish organizations such as these guys by taking our money elsewhere. Over the last few years I've also switched my home computers to Ubuntu Linux (kicking Microsoft out) and replaced Concast Internet with a local provider. Similar reasons. I don't like their poor attitude and won't do business with them. This is the only way everyday people will get these companies attention. Perhaps they will figure it out. Then again, perhaps they will be the ones asking for a bail out as well. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
On behalf of the folks who have suffered so much from this long RIAA nightmare, thank YOU for being so conscientious about being sure not to do business with the bad guys. I keep a list [blogspot.com] of independent music sources for consumers such as yourself.
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Does this have status as precedent? (Score:5, Interesting)
The rejection of the making available argument appears to have stuck, but in dismissing the case does the law still recognize the summary judgment as a precedent for future cases?
Hmm. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Judge Roy Bean would say the thief 'gave back your stuff' as it fell from his hands shortly after his heart stopped working.
Isn't there some room for a counter suit based on harassment of a frivolous litigation? Trained and experienced lawyers 'should' know better than to initiate frivolous litigation. Isn't that an act that can be penalized? [cbsnews.com]
I certainly hope that there is a punishment dished out to the RIAA legal team. It might put a lot of this to rest quickly, and subdue any plans to have ISPs start boll
Re:Hmm. (Score:4, Interesting)
I agree with you, but until such time as I can buy a Britney Spears CD or a Speedracer DVD, try them, determine they are trash, and return them for either a refund or store credit, then I will continue to pirate. I am sick-and-tired of wasting my money buying Hollywood trash.
Any other industry, even the food industry, guarantees satisfaction or your money back. There's no reason for the entertainment industry to be any different. I consider refusal to provide refunds/credits to be as bad as corporate theft.
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Re:Hmm. (Score:5, Insightful)
In many cases, a woman (or man) standing on a corner at midnight dressed in hot pants, bikini top and spiked heels, is soliciting for prostitution, but to make an arrest stick, she (or he) still has to actually ask for money. We make cops go through the action of bringing up price and getting an answer, to avoid basing an arrest merely on whether that same cop thinks someone is dressed too provocatively.
Copyright infringement may be every bit as difficult to pinpoint as you say, but it's equally difficult to say just where to draw the line if we start drawing it somewhere in the largish space of 'making available'. Just like Barney Fife may honestly think that woman standing on the curb, trying to hail a cab, in the same outfit she went clubbing in, is a hooker, the RIAA may honestly think (or claim to think) that having a torrent program at all is over where the line should be drawn.
In debating just where to draw the legal line, it should always be remembered, some lines have practical problems when it comes to actually testing them, some are based on simple principles, and some require very intricate interpretations of those principles. Good laws are usually, if not always, ones where the lines are simple enough to apply in many cases, clear cut enough to repeatedly give the same verdicts when the same circumstances apply, and based on principles that can be explained to the general public's satisfaction.
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Is it just me... (Score:4, Interesting)
...or is it looking more and more like the RIAA has realized that downloading really isn't hurting them, and they don't want the embarrassment of admitting it publicly, so they're just slowly backing off from their "Piracy is da debil!" stance and hoping that we won't notice?
Re:Is it just me... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's just you. The RIAA hasn't realized anything of the nature, whether true or not. What the RIAA has> realized is that the lawsuits are ineffective (duh, big surprise, dumbasses) and that there are less costly and probably more effective ways of dealing with copyright infringement, such as pushing the responsibility over to the ISPs.
As I've said before, I think the RIAA has discovered a way to either force or at least entice ISPs to do their bidding.
I'm not in the loop on this, but here's the entirety of what I think
1) P2P has, most recently and very publicly, become a headache for high speed Internet providers. P2P traffic taxes their infrastructure, so they make moves to block or at least limit it, including everything from additional charges through routing changes, to downright packet manipulation.
2) RIAA has a different reason for disliking P2P. But they see that the ISPs have a common enemy here: P2P.
3) The only remaining question is -- where to go from here? P2P is prevalent enough and has enough legitimate uses that the ISPs don't want to outright cancel customers, but they also don't want customers taxing their infrastructure to the max.
How do RIAA and the ISPs team up in this regard? It's a good question. I think we're seeing the beginning of the end of network neutrality.
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Re:Is it just me... (Score:5, Informative)
What the RIAA has realized is that the lawsuits are ineffective (duh, big surprise, dumbasses)
Digital music guy Steve Meyer just came out with a good article [blogspot.com] on that subject.
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Re:Is it just me... (Score:5, Insightful)
P2P has, most recently and very publicly, become a headache for high speed Internet providers. P2P traffic taxes their infrastructure, so they make moves to block or at least limit it, including everything from additional charges through routing changes, to downright packet manipulation.
Yeah, P2P has become a headache for ISPs but how much of that headache is caused on music vs video? I could download/upload 60 mp3s and probably not have the same impact on my ISP as the neighbor downloading last nights American Idol......
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Not that anyone should really be surprised (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone who paid attention and had even a hobbyist's legal training could see that the goal of the RIAA lawsuit in question was primarily intimidation.
Transmitting copyright material without authorization (or without a solid fair use claim) is illegal, and I don't begrudge copyright-holders their ability to do so. But simply advertising that you might have some information someone might want? This gets far into the realm of Orwellian and rightly doesn't have any legal teeth.
My bet is that the RIAA is quietly formulating ideas about how to push for legislation that will allow them to draw and quarter... *ahem* litigate against individuals who imply that they might have some copyright content available. Hopefully those of us who get the silliness can educate Congress and keep that from happening.
The system does, kinda-sorta, work. ;-)
Re:Not that anyone should really be surprised (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Not that anyone should really be surprised (Score:4, Insightful)
The Northerners wanted to count slaves as whole people, whereas the Southerners refused to acknowledge blacks as being human.
No, it was the other way around. Remember, the fight in the 3/5 Compromise wasn't about freeing or enfranchising them, it was about allocating seats in the House of Representatives. If slaves were not counted, the South would have a low population, and be dominated by the North in the House. If counted fully, the South would have a huge population, and dominate the North in the House. Each side preferred to not be dominated, thus the North was against counting them, and the South for. As with the composition of the legislative branch, a compromise between the two sides was reached. Even so, the South wound up being very powerful prior to the Civil War, thanks to this.
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Re:How can I fileshare and not get sued? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:How can I fileshare and not get sued? (Score:5, Funny)
You sound like an RIAA investigator.
Are the RIAA investigators really so incompetent that they'd need to troll Slashdot looking for advic.... scratch that, they are that incompetent.
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Re:Not that anyone should really be surprised (Score:4, Informative)
I'm not an attorney, but I do have some legal experience. Let me show you the imperfections in your analogy. (Note, none of this is legal advice; if you need that, hire a real lawyer).
Announcing on a website that "hey, I'm making heroin, I'll be selling it later" is not, of itself illegal. It's quite possibly probable cause for investigation, perhaps even a search warrant. If you actually were making heroin, you'll be charged with a crime. If you actually were planning to sell heroin, you'll be charged with a crime. If you did neither of those things, you'll end up with some hassle, but you've done nothing wrong.
Pay special attention to the "crime" portion of that explanation -- under most circumstances, copyright infringement is not a crime (see this article [stason.org] for an explanation) -- it's a civil matter.
My saying "hey, I have a Beatles CD that you could make a copy of" is legal. Making the copy is almost always legal. Actually giving the copy to someone is probably illegal, but not a crime -- if I'm Apple Records, I can file suit to get you to stop, and maybe I can even collect some damages.
Now, if you start selling the copy, now you might be in crime territory. If you sell enough copies, it could even be a felony. But simply announcing that you have them for sale isn't illegal, it's actually selling or attempting to sell (making a general offer like "I have some copied music I might be willing to sell" usually isn't enough, but making a specific offer like "give me $0.99 for this song copy" is probably enough to qualify as "selling").
US law is a murky, murky world; this is why lawyers are rich -- more money is made from advising people on how to interpret all the twisty little packages than is made on filing and defending lawsuits.
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Sooo.. will it cost the RIAA? (Score:5, Insightful)
So that's it? (Score:4, Interesting)
The RIAA hogs the civil justice system for racketeering and ruining people's lives and simply gets to walk away unscathed when they smell a loss?
The next key question (Score:5, Interesting)
Attorney's fees?
Because if I'm not totally mistaken, the standard RIAA tactic on them is:
1. Argue against any counterclaims for attorney's fees on the basis that those can always be handled after the case has been decided and is thus redundant.
2. If they're going to lose (and thus be subject to an attorney's fees hearing), withdraw the case so that no attorney's fees decision gets in front of a judge.
The obvious risk here is that attorney's fees are essential to deterring the "pay up or I'll cost you even more in legal fees" tactic.
File another lawsuit (Score:3, Interesting)
If that happens, the ironic thing is that you could clearly argue Brennan's activities never actually resulted in monetary loss to Atlantic... but their witch hunt lawsuit sure as hell did.
Can we now get $120,000 per dismissed lawsuit? (Score:4, Insightful)
Are they allowed to do that? (Score:3, Interesting)
Or should they have to repay everybody for all the time and money they've wasted.
And the damage is done (Score:4, Insightful)
Being accused amounts to a punishment as it requires a HUGE expenditure to defend yourself.
Re:Yay? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:With/Without Prejudice (Score:5, Informative)
I think the issue now is whether the RIAA can dismiss the case at this point without prejudice.
Under the Federal Rules, a second voluntary dismissal operates as an adjudication on the merits. This is the second case against Mr. Brennan, the first being the case in which they sued him as a John Doe, obtained a subpoena, learned his name and address, and then dismissed. So it would appear to me that this is 'with prejudice' even though they have labeled it 'without prejudice'. In any event, I don't think they're going to mess with Judge Janet Bond Atherton again, any time soon.
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Re:And there was a cheer throughout the land... (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not cheering. Think about how much money was wasted by RIAA, by the defendant, and by the U.S. Government prosecuting a case that went nowhere.
When a prosecutor or litigant voluntarily closes a case, the government should impose a fine for "wasting taxpayer dollars" or something similar. Discourage RIAA and others from wasting the People's money on BS cases.
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Re:And there was a cheer throughout the land... (Score:5, Insightful)
So to play Devil's Advocate, if you know that you've got a loser (either because new evidence comes to light or just by the way that the trial is moving), you think that they should continue to waste taxpayer money in order to avoid a fine rather than cutting their (and the taxpayer) losses and dismissing the case?
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Re:And there was a cheer throughout the land... (Score:4, Interesting)
Ah! But from the article:
Although the notice states it is "without prejudice", under the federal rules a second voluntary dismissal operates as an adjudication on the merits.
This would constitute the second voluntary dismissal, the first being in the "John Doe" case in which it obtained the defendant's name and address.
I'm no lawyer, so I don't know what the limits of this are, but the site is making it sound like this second dismissal can be used by defense lawyers in other cases in a similar way that a defense win could have been used.
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Re:And there was a cheer throughout the land... (Score:5, Insightful)
When a prosecutor or litigant voluntarily closes a case, the government should impose a fine for "wasting taxpayer dollars" or something similar.
Because the law as it is is restricted to the wealthy, but isn't restricted to the rich enough?
The intent is good, but your suggestion would achieve the opposite of your stated goal: Only the very rich could sue, because THEY can afford the fees.
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Re:And there was a cheer throughout the land... (Score:4, Informative)
Even the destitute can find a lawyer who will represent them, given a decent change of winning.
Only if it's the type of case that lawyers customarily handle on a contingent fee basis, such as personal injury.
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Maybe not that easy (for the RIAA) (Score:5, Insightful)
The defendant might still be able to recover costs and/or expenses if he wants to try. That is up to the judge. It's easier to get into court than to get out of it. You can't necessarily say "Oh well, that didn't work" and walk away.
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Re:Boo RIAA, Hooray beer! (Score:5, Insightful)
Time is money, so any time you fight against a corporation doing idiotic things, it is going to cost someone. The only shame here is that someone didn't fight back earlier with this defense. If you are concerned about money being spent, you will cheer this dismissal. Consider it an investment, because those settlement letters are losing their effectiveness every time RIAA gets their crappy legal theories shot down. And that costs the people less money overall.
Justice is not a waste of money, it's all of the passive settling that people did. They gave up a little money, collectively, to avoid being personally hit for a bunch of money. And basically, that's what you're complaining about - the taxpayers collectively giving up a little money so they don't get individually hit with this silly prosecution idea. Only this way, the prosecution's ideas get thrown out (yes, slowly) until they come up with something valid.
Whether the RIAA will stop going after individuals is still being debated, but they at least made the announcement, meaning they know it's not effective, or it's not based on sound legal theory.
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Re:Boo RIAA, Hooray beer! (Score:5, Interesting)
those settlement letters are losing their effectiveness every time RIAA gets their crappy legal theories shot down. And that costs the people less money overall. Justice is not a waste of money, it's all of the passive settling that people did. They gave up a little money, collectively, to avoid being personally hit for a bunch of money.
Exactly. Every "settlement" payment was just adding fuel to the fire, encouraging them to go after other people. And every time someone refused to settle, they were helping to bring about an end of the madness.
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