Don't Copy That Floppy! Gets a Sequel 523
theodp writes "Back in 1992, the SIIA released Don't Copy That Floppy!, a goofy video in which anti-piracy rapper MC Double Def DP convinces a young lad not to copy a game by appealing to his sense of right and wrong. Now, to address what it calls 'new generations and new temptations,' the SIIA has uploaded a trailer for a new anti-piracy rap video — Don't Copy That 2 — that will be released this summer. To underscore the video's it's-not-just-a-copy-it's-a-crime message, the new film is a tad darker than the original. A smug teen who's downloading files from 'Pirates Palace' and 'Tune Weasel' finds his world turned upside down when automatic weapons-toting government agents break down the door and take his Mom away in handcuffs. The teen finds himself in a prison jumpsuit forced to tattoo shirtless adult inmates who eventually turn on him, physically attack him, and make him run for his life back to his jail cell (image summarizing his plight)."
BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously though, the first DCTF was happy and upbeat (and for good reason, as many people simply didn't know that copying a floppy was piracy). What happened to that feel? Are we really at a point where we're so influenced by the RIAA/MPAA's ways of doing things that SIIA's first sequel in 17 years immediately jumps to scare tactics?
Maybe it's just me, but I see this quickly becoming one of those "You wouldn't steal a car" type of things - jumping to such an extreme that it becomes a satire piece.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
Watch the preview video. It's there now.
I agree that at least DCTF served a purpose. This one is exactly where the RIAA/MPAA is. Kid copies some software, ends up making prison tattoos and being chased (so he can be beaten/killed) because he wasn't good at making the tattoo.
It's clear cause and effect here: own a computer, be annoyed by an 80s reject rapper, get shanked in prison.
What they need is another DCTF, just not corny. If they ran PSAs saying it's important to buy software, otherwise people won't be able to make The Sims 4, Crysis 5, or Barbie Horse Adventures 7: The Mysterious Case of the Calico Clydesdale, they could probably get a whole new generation of kids to think twice about copying.
Instead they made themselves a joke again.
Even if they had to do this campaign, did they really have to tie it into DCTF? That can't possibly lend them credibility. I bet if I showed this new video to the average 12 year old, they'd think it was some kind of internet sketch comedy thing.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Funny)
You mean it's not?
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
That was literally my first thought when I saw this, but I checked out other videos by that YouTube user and it looks totally legit. If this is a joke, they went a long way.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Interesting)
Are you kidding?
Their marketing department didn't even notice that they made an unauthorized reproduction and depiction of a well known anime character in their video...
So I would guess that they don't even understand the meaning of the word irony.
On several levels.
GrpA
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Funny)
So I would guess that they don't even understand the meaning of the word irony.
On several levels.
But then, why would metallurgists work for the RIAA ?
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That was literally my first thought when I saw this, but I checked out other videos by that YouTube user and it looks totally legit. If this is a joke, they went a long way.
They went a long way. If you go to their user page, you can see that the user joined youtube on April 1st this year. I guess they liked the joke too much to let it go after april fools.
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There's nothing "new" about it. The US has been corrupt for a long time.
Pay taxes to kill Iraqis? Sure.
40 years ago, it was paying taxes to kill Viet Cong, who were certainly no threat to Americans. At least with Iraq, they had the flimsy excuse that Saddam had WMDs; back then, there was zero threat to Americans from the jungle-dwelling Viet Cong, except some vague threat of Communism spreading, though the real reason for US involvement was to protect French colonial interests.
Pay taxes to kill Iraqis? S
Re:The new U.S.: Violence is entirely acceptable. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The new U.S.: Violence is entirely acceptable. (Score:5, Funny)
I think you underestimate how long Cheney has been around. Where do you think we got the oil in the first place? Cheney had the dinosaurs slaughtered.
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Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Funny)
Which works exactly again them. It tends to make young people take them less and less seriously. You might as well run a PSA against teen age sex by convincing young men there are teeth in young women's vagina's and their peepee's will turn green and fall off if they touch themselves.
Of course nobody takes them seriously anymore.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Funny)
Wait, that's not true?
Woo Hoo! Hold my calls!
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Which works exactly again them. It tends to make young people take them less and less seriously. You might as well run a PSA against teen age sex by convincing young men there are teeth in young women's vagina's
Of course not... not with gums like that! Sheesh.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Interesting)
I bet if I showed this new video to the average 12 year old, they'd think it was some kind of internet sketch comedy thing.
Ah, but what happens when they target it at a younger audience who doesn't know any better?
Throw it into a DARE program (anti-drug education for those outside the US; called VIP in some areas of Canada) targeting 10-year olds who don't yet understand its stupidity, let it sit for a few years. Bingo, a generation of well-trained consumers who think free information is pure evil.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Funny)
If it works anything as well as DARE has, I predict the Pirate Party will sweep the midterm elections in 2022 and we'll be singing "Arr to the Chief" in 2024.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
Great idea! They can eliminate all illegal copying using the same techniques they used to win the war against citize^H^H^H^H^H^Hdrugs!
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Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:4, Interesting)
I remember going through DARE and how my peers became interested in cannabis and alcohol soon afterwards. DARE had little to no effect on my age group.
Thank God for that. I suspect it does have a lasting effect on more people than you suspect however. Consider that your peer group is not the same as other peer groups, who may be more susceptible to such indoctrination. Geeks tend to be more questioning than most.
Don't get me wrong, I despise the "war on drugs" just as much as the current attempts to move technology back twenty years. I'm just saying that judging by the previous DCTF ad, they're aiming this at kids, and we should have some sort of counter argument ready for those who don't see the flaws of it immediately.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Throw it into a DARE program (anti-drug education for those outside the US; called VIP in some areas of Canada) targeting 10-year olds who don't yet understand its stupidity, let it sit for a few years. Bingo, a generation of well-trained consumers who think free information is pure evil.
Have you looked around the schools today? 10 year olds are too busy seeding so they can get more out of those private trackers. While stoned.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:4, Funny)
funny (Score:3, Funny)
I bet if I showed this new video to the average 12 year old, they'd think it was some kind of internet sketch comedy thing.
Funny, this whole thing makes me think of the IT Crowd piracy video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wRxfz_6E7o [youtube.com]
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Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Informative)
Well, they actually did that PSA.
The only problems were:
A) They hired an actor to pretend to be a set builder.
B) He was griping that he "only" worked 8 months a year.
C) He was griping that he "only" earned $88,000 USD a year.
D) He accused everyone watching the movie of being thieves.
We talked to a local movie theater owner and politely explained that the anti-piracy advertisement was insulting his customers and making them feel unwelcome in his theater. We also mentioned that the message that his customer's hard earned money (most of whom make less in a year than the fake set builder makes in 8 months) should go to pay a relatively well off guy living in California to work less and earn more than them was not going to be received the way it was intended. Lastly we pointed out that the people in the theater have already *paid* for their ticket, if they were going to steal the movie they'd be at home in front of their computers and never see the PSA. Since that chat, I haven't seen that PSA or any other anti-piracy PSAs in theaters around here.
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Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
Since he's "running for his life," does that mean they're essentially saying "You wouldn't steal a car, but if you copy Microsoft Office, we'll kill you?"
Sounds like a threat to me....
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
Got into this argument with someone today. They said they wouldn't be STEALING a movie they want to see. I pointed out that downloading it is hardly stealing when, by my downloading it, I am not depriving a single person from seeing it.
The car analogy doesn't work unless when I download Big Robots Part 8, someone going to see the movie gets turned away. "Sorry, Goldberg's Pants pirated this film so you can't see it."
And yet these idiots just don't get how their analogy is utterly flawed. The thing is the media have spent so much time yelling IT'S STEALING! IT'S STEALING! IT'S STEALING! that the majority have bought into the lie put forward by the RIAA, MPAA etc... Despite the fact that they can say it a million times, and it still won't make it true.
People who get hauled up for downloading are NOT charged with stealing or theft. It'd be better for them if they were because theft, rape etc... Carry far lesser sentences than what they are ACTUALLY charged with. Criminal copyright infringement.
On a related note, I saw a nice piece of juxtaposition the other day that highlights the insanity. The RIAA verdict saying $84,000 or whatever it was per song, right next to a story saying the victims families of the Air France crash would get $24,000.
Three human lives are worth one song apparently.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Not the same situation. A single car can only be used by a single driver at any given time during the day. If you make use of the car for free, you are depriving the owner of the ability to rent that car for a period of time.
On the other hand, if you could wave a magic wand and make an instant copy of the car, your driving of that copy would not deprive the owner of the ability to rent the original in the meantime. It might decrease the value of said rental due to the availability of a free alternative, but
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Hold on just one second. You mean that, because I downloaded this copy of Ubuntu for free, and maintain it with free software, that there will never be a new version of Ubuntu! Oh no!
Except, and bear with me here, I had Ubuntu when it was 5.10, and they are currently planning the release of 9.10. Also, when I dl software straight from the Ubuntu servers I'll get a few hundred KB/s, but on Windoze I get a few tens of KB/s.
It must just be like all those artists that give away their work for free - really we a
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Only if I can use the car while you're using it and still neither of us has trouble finding a parking space despite the other one already using it.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Funny)
No crime has been committed. Where the fuck do you live? Saudi Arabia?
Definition of Theft (Score:5, Informative)
Anyways, stealing is not necessarily defined by depriving one person of an experience or possession, it's defined by obtaining said item without giving the original author or owner the compensation requested for your copy.
Are you sure? IANAL, but here's a few definitions I found from different legal texts around the world... (bold emphasis mine)
I certainly won't argue that piracy isn't a crime, but it definitely does NOT appear to be "theft"...
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At any rate, the common vernacular leans to theft; and that's the usage, form a non-legal standpoint, that will probably win out as well. Though, in the end, what you call it doesn't change that it it is wrong to use copyrighted material without permission, except in a few very limited cases.
Actually it's illegal to infringe on a copyright. I'm really not convinced that it's wrong to do so given the current state of copyright law. Also, the Supreme Court has already made it clear that copyright infringement is not theft:
The phonorecords in question were not "stolen, converted or taken by fraud" for purposes of [section] 2314. The section's language clearly contemplates a physical identity between the items unlawfully obtained and those eventually transported, and hence some prior physical taking of the subject goods. Since the statutorily defined property rights of a copyright holder have a character distinct from the possessory interest of the owner of simple "goods, wares, [or] merchandise," interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The infringer of a copyright does not assume physical control over the copyright nor wholly deprive its owner of its use. Infringement implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud.
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Why would they? Answer is pretty simple, and pathetic. They would lose control. Not just money, but control.
If we did have replicators it would solve a huge amount of problems on this planet. Direct conversion of energy into materials we need to sustain life. No more pollution and environmental damage due to manufacturing processes. Starvation would be eliminated, and so would wasteful destruction of food for t
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Actually no, it would be a disastrous thing for humanity since the very first I am going to use my replicator for is to churn out a billion strong army of 50M long venomous flying crocodiles with a taste for human blood.
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Also, one more Association to add to my shit-list.
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The trailer for it seems very tongue-in-cheek so maybe they are still maintaining the happy and upbeat feel of the first.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:5, Insightful)
People seem to have a big problem with understanding what "illegal" means. You cannot go to jail for every illegal action. Some illegal actions create a civil liability, and some create criminal liabilities... and then criminal liabilities are separated into misdemeanors and felonies.
I've had issues with people commenting that "prostitution is like murder, it's illegal", and I point out, "No, prostitution is like jay-walking... it's illegal." Prostitution is a misdemeanor and will not get one a lot of time in jail. It's why prosecutors (hell, law enforcement themselves) are so eager to offer a prostitute immunity in order to testify against their pimp (which is a felony).
People just have a very hard time understanding that you cannot be sent to jail for every illegal action. ESPECIALLY, a hard jail. Typically the worst that you can be hit for with copyright violation is fines... it can make your life difficult, or even hell, but it can't take away your freedom.
Re:BILLY MAYS HERE... (Score:4, Interesting)
Moreover, the unlawful activities fall under different Acts (or statutes? What do Americans call them?)
For example, murder is against the Criminal Code of Canada.
Speeding is in the Motor Vehicles Act. (And there's a great loophole there, should you care to read through this Act.)
Practicing Engineering without a licence is against the Engineers and Geoscientists Act.
Unauthourized duplication of copyrighted material is against the Copyright Act.
The list can go on and on but I won't bother.
Anyway, all of the aforementioned activities are unlawful, but the difference in enforcement and penalties is extreme. It varies from a $125 file to life without parole. Like you, I've always hated the "if you've ever driven even ONE MILE over the limit, that's the same as SERIAL MURDER. IT IS ILLEGAL!!1!ELEVEN!" argument.
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From www.copyright.gov:
(a) Criminal Infringement. â" (1) In general. â" Any person who willfully infringes a copyright shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, if the infringement was committed â" (A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain; (B) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or (C) by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.
This doesn't apply to every file sharer, but it does apply to many more than prosecutors would ever want to go after. But to say they can't take away your freedom for it, when they clearly can if they desire to, is false.
... a 7 letter word for synonym ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Good point! So many people here are using the terms interchangeably. It is as if these people think that the two words are synonymous [reference.com]!
Scare tatics (Score:5, Insightful)
Or like the anti-drug commercials that aired immediately after 9-11 that attempted to link smoking a joint with supporting Osama Bin Laden.
Re:Scare tatics (Score:4, Funny)
Just to put it into perspective. Al Queda is pressuring farmers in afghanistan to grow poppies to make cocaine. There is a large effort to convert to convert the farmers to grow something else like saffraan.
But cocaine!= weed, but there is some truth in that message.
Re:Scare tatics (Score:5, Informative)
In both cases (Afghanistan, Columbia) the drug trade (opium, cocaine) is used to fund rebellion against the central government. Destroy the drugs and the rebellion struggles. The Afghan farmers complain that legitimate crops pay poorly compared to poppies so pressure the Afghan government to resist Western suggestions of aerial crop eradication. It is unlikely that demand in the West for recreational drugs will be reduced completely (the recession helps aparently) so it crop eradication is a better bet in winning the drug war. Saffron is a substitute that pays better than wheat (provided it can be grown successfully).
Re:Scare tatics (Score:5, Insightful)
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Heroin is dangerous because it's addictive as all hell.
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Oh thank you my government from saving me from myself!
I'll just go start bashing my head into a wall - the government hasn't banned it, so it must be ok!
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>Heroin is dangerous because it's addictive as all hell.
No. Heroin is a threat to a person's freedom because it's addictive. Heroin is DANGEROUS because it is illegal AND it has a low threshold of overdose.
Illegality means that there are no guarantees over purity which means that (ironically) a particularly pure batch of heroin can lead to a user overdosing after taking the same dose as they normally do (same dose but of a purer mix = death). That's dangerous, but wouldn't be happening if the user (howev
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So... (Score:5, Funny)
Anyone got a link to the torrent?
A better video (Score:5, Funny)
Re:A better video (Score:4, Informative)
"This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions."
so use: instead try http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9ovyz_the-it-crowd-anti-piracy-ad_fun
p.s and the show is on channel4 not bbc
Re:A better video (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXkxSl4f6vw [youtube.com]
- The Boondocks!
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Nothing to do with the BBC. It's on Channel 4. ;-)
The only good program on the entire channel
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British TV (Score:5, Interesting)
DP (Score:5, Funny)
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Since When Does Infringement Equal Jail Time? (Score:5, Interesting)
A smug teen who's downloading files from 'Pirates Palace' and 'Tune Weasel' finds his world turned upside down when automatic weapons-toting government agents break down the door and take his Mom away in handcuffs. The teen finds himself in a prison jumpsuit forced to tattoo shirtless adult inmates who eventually turn on him
Huh, that's funny. Last I checked you normally don't get jail time for copyright infringement. Search warrants? For your computer maybe. Serving papers for a court date? Sure. Arrested on the spot? Don't think so. Jail time? Not to my knowledge. The only legal consequence the SIIA lists on their site [siia.net] are "significant fines for copyright infringement." Unless the kid was uploading unreleased Guns N' Roses tracks or orchestrating the huge operation of The Pirate Bay I don't think he'll be doing time.
... or realizes that it bothers his constituents that lives are being ruined over something that maybe isn't so serious that a person should be financially hobbled for the rest of their life or next seven years from bankruptcy or whatever results. Huge fines are enough to stop me from copyright violations but lets face it, you're not going to jail if you do it. You're not a hardened criminal with a rap sheet serving time next to murderers if you're convicted of file sharing. You're most likely going to settle out of court and be financially stunted.
Maybe they should do a little more research before they imply that you will end up in a gulag tattooing cartoon characters on convicts?
Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with the kid (assuming he's 18+) getting a letter in the mail saying he has to appear in court and then a slow five year montage ending with him settling out of court and not being able to go to college or only attending a community college. That'd be pretty realistic. I still don't agree with it but that's how it works these days. Who knows? Maybe the over emphasized results will backfire on them and the general populace will see how unrealistic the charges are for copyright violation? I mean, that's not going to change until a politician looks bad taking a sack of money in campaign contributions
Re:Since When Does Infringement Equal Jail Time? (Score:4, Insightful)
Just look at the "You wouldn't steal a car..." videos.
The MPAA didn't seem to care that they were comparing unrelated crimes.
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What? next, you'll tell me that Don't Download This Song [youtube.com] was a parody.
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It's a wet dream of the copyright owners that one day the police with fight a war on their behalf.
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Re:Since When Does Infringement Equal Jail Time? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Actually, I think the fastest way to see a change would be if a senator's/governor's/etc. son/daughter was caught pirating their favorite song/movie/whatever.
Unfortunately not. The copyright holders would treat them with kid gloves, drop the case, and give them a gentle, 'hey don't do it again speech'.
Confirmation? (Score:2)
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The SIIA link to it from their own site on this page [siia.net]
(Check number 01 in the image fader thing on the page)
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Do you suppose they posted it on YouTube, or did someone rip it off their site and put it on YouTube without permission?
That would make it even funnier.
Dangerous stuff (Score:5, Informative)
The message I get from this is, "Wow, movies and music sound like dangerous stuff. I better avoid them at all costs whether purchased legally or not."
So, basicly, (Score:5, Funny)
Well, at least it's truth in advertising (Score:4, Insightful)
Because we've seen that the RIAA will go after your family if they don't think they can get any money out of you; regardless of whether or not any of you even own a computer!
is the entertainment industry (Score:2, Insightful)
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SPAMming on /.? I've been away too long.
Remember Children (Score:2, Funny)
It is okay to kidnap and possibly kill people with state violence for things they do with ideas.
Well, of course. (Score:2, Funny)
Subliminal messaging? (Score:2)
Don't download this song (Score:3, Funny)
This one's much better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32wmepTVM3I [youtube.com]
It should be a crime (Score:2)
To blatantly and deliberately mislead the public into believing something is a crime when it isn't.
"Production of propaganda with an intent to mislead" or something.
I bet it's already illegal in Germany.
Don't read this message (Score:2)
I think I know where they get their inspiration. The description sounds just like the video for Weird Al's "Don't Download This Song": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-grdpKVqg [youtube.com]
Huh (Score:2)
Don't copy that floppy was funny and appealed to your sense of right and wrong/interest in supporting content creators so they'll be around to produce more good stuff. This just sounds like trying to scare people into line. Which can work, but it does rather rob you of any moral high ground when your argument is "or we'll fuck you up, put you in prison, and go after your family."
And now... our corporate anthem... (Score:3, Insightful)
Do what's best for the corporation... or we'll throw your ass in jail.
What a joke...
Worst (Score:2)
Regardless of what it is about, it is the worst short film/clip/propaganda I have seen in a long time. That includes local (Costa Rican) commercials and Latin American soap operas .....
OMG .... shame on you for making me watch this
I wanted to watch Don't Copy That Floppy... (Score:2)
but when the rapping started they lost me.
SIIA Members: Google, IBM, Adobe, Intel, Oracle... (Score:3, Informative)
A selection of U.S. companies from the SIIA Member Directory [siia.net]: Accenture, Adobe, AOL, Barclays, Bloomberg, CNN, Charles Schwab, Citi, Cognizant, CollabNet, College Board, Deloitte, Deutsche Bank, Fidelity, Goldman Sachs, Google, IBM, Infosys, Intel, Intuit, JPMorgan Chase, Lazard Freres, McGraw Hill, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Novell, Oracle, Reuters, Salesforce, SAP, SAS, Standard & Poor's, Sun Microsystems, Symantec, Time Warner, UPI, The Wall Street Journal, Wells Fargo Bank.
This sounds familiar (Score:4, Funny)
Sounds like an average day working tech support.
Many, MANY inaccuracies in this video! (Score:4, Interesting)
I thought I would point out the many inaccuracies in this film:
1. The mother was fighting back to the evil paramilitary force that, without warning, smashed down her door and entered her house. She would have been shot because she clearly "endangered" the armed men's life.
2. ANIME ANGEL TATOOS? In an American prison??? I doubt there are any anime nerds in lockup...
The phrase "copycrime" really reminded me of "thoughtcrime" from 1984, which isn't a good message propaganda should be sending...
Ethics in software? (Score:3, Insightful)
For me the only ethics in software is being able to share it with your friends. Did your mother teach you nothing?
You know what is truely ethical?; Marking something and then sharing it with the rest of the world!
And the only thing that is truely attacking the digital age are the proprietary software vendors and the pro-copyright bodies.
Now get the fsck off my lawn!
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Share car --> I don't have the car to use, it gets worn and torn over time, you might have an accident and destroy it.
Share software --> You gain software, I still have software, no damage done.
POOR ANALOGY: YOU FAIL.
What we really need... (Score:3, Insightful)
... is a PSA that warns viewers that the content of most PSAs are rarely objective and are often funded by organizations trying to push their own agenda. (Some of which may actually be worse than the crap they're PSAing to us about.)
This just confirms it. (Score:3, Insightful)
The *IAA's want to become the next SS/KGB/Stasi, using paramilitary actions as a way to keep the dollars trickling into their dying business models.
The truly scary part?
That suits in both Hollywood and on the Beltway believe that this is a viable way to treat the American people.
Weird Al did it first (Score:3, Informative)
The description of the video sounds like Weird Al's "Don't download this song" video.
I love how... (Score:5, Insightful)
I love how they use the coercive threat of prison violence. These days it's just accepted as fact that the prison system is completely and utterly broken beyond repair.
Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (Score:4, Insightful)