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$100 PC Pledges Fail To Meet Minimum

Posted by kdawson on Wed Nov 01, 2006 07:53 AM
from the limits-of-generosity dept.
bobthemuse writes, "Nicholas Negroponte's $100 laptop PC was demonstrated back in May, and a PledgeBank was set up: the goal was to get 100,000 people to purchase an OLPC for $300, allowing the project to send two of the devices to the proposed users. Today the pledge ended and only 3,678 people had signed up." It looks like a mention in Slashback a few weeks ago gave a boost to the effort, but not a big enough one.
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  • I saw this when it was announced and tbh was put off by this:

    "I will purchase the $100 laptop at $300 but only if 100,000 other will too."

    I would gladly sign up for a $100 laptop if it cost $100.
    I realise everything about starting up and getting the ball rolling but I cannot waste an additional $200.

    Its that simple.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      I did - because I think that the cause is justified.

      The extra money would have (hopefully) meant an extra two computers distributed, not to mention the fact that I would have become the proud owner of one of the first of these little gadgets. Of course, my personal gain is secondary...

      Maybe the target was set a little too high - are there really that many people out there that care?

    • I don't see why they didn't make it $200 instead of $300 to start. $200 is still cheaper than just about any PC available. Sure you only get 1 donated OLPC, but if you get over twice as many people to do it, you end up with more OLPCs donated overall. I could be wrong though. Maybe people wouldn't even do it in great numbers at that price.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        $200 for a tiny laptop with a crank for charging still isn't a very good deal. Look on ebay and you get can far more powerful used laptops for the same price, or you can get $50 desktops (again, used of course) that would run circles around this odd device.

        If not a single industrialized or developing nation would support creating the devices, why should we? The concept was pretty decent, but laptops are not going to solve third world problems. Depending on the African nation, they need teachers who wo
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          For about the billionth time...the $100 laptop isn't intended to let kids in a war zone check their gmail. It's intended for areas where a little cheap, portable, and durable computing power would go a long way. Think of it not as an attempt to solve the worst problems, but maybe the fifth-worst problem.

          That said, I'm not wholly convinced about the new device for the reasons you stated. I run a charity wherein I refurbish castoffs and give them to high school kids in poor neighborhoods--in about a month
          • Re:Why I didn't (Score:4, Insightful)

            by Shadowmist (57488) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @09:52AM (#16671955)
            And a kid who's starving won't be taking the time to read. Even Bill Gates Sr. figured this out when some time ago he took a trip to Africa and was shown a poor village's proudest posession, a single workstation hooked up to the village's sole electrical outlet. He realised that what village needed most at that time was not a computer, but a refrigerator.

            Tech toys like these have theire place and moment can help but the basick foundation of the pyramid must be built first. You need decent health, places to sleep, and a dependable food supply before cranking laptops become not only a luxury but a dangerous drain on time and energy that must be spent on survival.

            Africa and the Third World aren't just poorer versions of your hometown, they're places in deep distress with a profound lack of the basic neccessities of life, and sweeping plagues which are taking an enormous toll. These are the problems that must be solved FIRST and foremost before the higher goals can be tackled.
            • Exactly...Don't you think that $300 (for the $100 laptop - someone want to explain this??) could go for, oh I don't know, food, medicine, shelter, water purifying machines?? What good is a laptop if you are starving and have dysentery? (Unless you somehow got an ad-hoc wireless connection to the internet, and you now may actually know what you are dying from...) Technology is not a panacea - giving underdeveloped countries laptops isn't going to magically launch them into the 21st century.. If you want to g
  • Given that there were only a couple of hundred more subscribers after the article and the whole thing fell disasterously short of its target quota.

    While the project has its merits I wonder if the lack of interest shown by the public at large and quite importantly by the slashdot audience is an indicator of a project doomed to failure by apathy.
    • indicator of a project doomed to failure by apathy.

      Well, I don't think it's been advertised terribly well.
      Two points are

      • The tax writeoff aspect needs to be emphasized. While we can all get a warm fuzzy in the midriff about the kids, it's that pleasure jolt in the wallet from getting mugged by the taxman that affects behavior.
      • The driver issue bears review. http://lwn.net/Articles/203562/#Comments [lwn.net] explores some of the issues in better detail than anywhere else I've seen. Let's see a contribution bount
  • by biocute (936687) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @08:07AM (#16671131) Homepage
    I wonder if there is a special reason that requires 100,000 participants (that is, 200,000 OLPC, 300,000 altogether).

    Does that mean they can't produce and sell these laptop if there were only 5,000 orders?
  • I'd say that this is fairly conclusive proof of a doomed project. Buy a $100 for $300, who on earth would sign up for that ?
  • Slashdot effect?! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SpaghettiPattern (609814) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @08:12AM (#16671151)
    You'd say PledgeBank would run into a problem in handling all the applications by all them righteous slashdotters. You know, the geeks that get bullied, kicked and bashed because they read books, are proficient with computers, value educated discussion and surely would want to give poorer people a shot at being educated.

    ... But they didn't ...

    There must a whole bunch of cheapskates here on slashdot.

    FYI, I pledged for three. Then, for a short time, I contemplated to let them keep the third PC as well. But that is betrayal because you shouldn't dump second grade stuff onto the 3rd world. I decided to actually use the third one seriously and to contribute at least with bug reports.

    Hell, I even convinced my not-so-techie brother to pledge and he did. And also consider that we're not from the USA. We're from a part of the world where USD 300 is a higher percentage of our nett income.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      There must a whole bunch of cheapskates here on slashdot.

      If by "cheap" you mean "not stupid enough to pay $300 for a $100 product", then yeah, you can count me as one of the cheapskates.

      Now, I really wouldn't mind getting one of these. I'd even pay a reasonable premium to send some to the actual target market (like perhaps 20-50% extra. But NOT 200% over list just because someone combines the magical phrases "for kids/charity/third world".


      Perhaps most importantly, computers don't actually help kid
      • Nor do I believe that dumping things that we wouldn't use on the 3rd world is going to make the [technology] gap disappear -- au contraire. I'd rather see them receive one $1000 laptop than ten $100 ones that aren't similar to what the rest of the world use. "Better than what they have" isn't a valid argument, as it serves to keep the gap.

        Developing countries cannot maintain a "fleet" of up-to-date computers, as every PC is rendered obsolete by "progress" within 3 years. "what the rest of the world uses"

  • by Zouden (232738) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @08:22AM (#16671215)
    Rather, an unrealistic expectation. It's difficult to sell 100,000 of anything, let alone through a grassroots campaign like this.
  • Pledging? (Score:4, Informative)

    by ronanbear (924575) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @08:35AM (#16671321)
    Pledging really isn't something that most people like doing. Outside of the wider public this project has been remarkably quiet. I don't even remember seeing the Pledgebank.

    Sign up to buy a computer and then a few months later find out later whether you'll be able to buy one. It's really inconvenient. Such a project requires wider grassroots adoption and the support of a lot of people. The amount of money pledged was huge.

    100,000 computers at $300 a pop is $30m. Making the effort part of telethon's and charity drives might have been much more effective than just having a website where you can't even buy one.

    It's a cheap simple computer. It might have found a good audience in non geeks interested in trading up from old Windows 98 boxes. It's the one laptop per child project. For selling it in the 1st world it was marketed wrong. It might have done very well if sold as something to get your kid for Christmas instead of an Xbox 360 or an iPod where most of the money goes to charity. Meanwhile the iPod nano Red will sell in huge numbers with a lower (but very decent) amount going to charity.
  • Frivolity (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dachannien (617929) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @08:38AM (#16671339)
    I think one reason why there's not much enthusiasm about this program is a difference of philosophies in how to educate the world's children. Generally speaking, people would rather spend $100 to buy books for a bunch of underprivileged children rather than spend it to buy one computer for one child. The applications of computers in grade school education in the US are kind of fuzzy, which makes it difficult to see how useful they would be in a less industrialized society.

    Besides all that, there are numerous other costs associated with making these laptops useful. For example, there's maintenance, theft replacement, training for teachers, and development of a standard computer-based curriculum. Many of these costs are recurring, which means that in the long run, these kids could be worse off from having so much money being tossed onto the bonfire trying to maintain a computer-based education program.

  • by CptnHarlock (136449) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @08:50AM (#16671423) Homepage
    This is NOT a failiure of the project itself. It's a failet net-pledge only. The goal of which was pretty unrealistic anyway. I still signed up though... :) ... one can always hope I thought. Anyway:

    This is NOT a failiure of the "One Laptop Per Child" project.

    Cheers...
  • $120 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rlp (11898) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @08:52AM (#16671439)
    Sell it to slashdot users for $120 (mfg makes a small profit). That way some of the buyers will end up using it to develop OSS educational SW for it. They should also color code the units; say green for students, blue for teachers, and red for developers (the $120 units). That way if you see a green unit for sale on E-bay - you (and E-bay) knows it's stolen property.
  • by TomSteinberg (1021177) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @09:07AM (#16671555)
    I'm part of the team that runs PledgeBank. You might be interested in this experimental Pledge I just put up for people who still want to be involved with OLPC, but on a more realistic and local level. http://www.pledgebank.com/olpchackers [pledgebank.com] The Pledge is unique because it uses a new feature that isn't in general circulation on PledgeBank yet, cascading Pledges. These are global pledges which you sign up to locally, making a mini version of each pledge with a group of other people who live near you. Take a look, even if you don't sign up, and please give us feedback. This is very much an alpha feature, although the pledge is real.
  • by McFadden (809368) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @09:31AM (#16671761) Homepage
    We in rich countries don't give laptops to every one of our kids, yet we seem to think we can tell poor countries that this is what they need. I think of a dozen things that would benefit the poor way before we start thinking about fucking PCs.
  • by Ancient_Hacker (751168) on Wednesday November 01 2006, @09:46AM (#16671901)
    $100 laptop is a terrible way to burn money.

    In case you havent been out in the boonies, if you take the chicken bus from any big city in 95% of the countries of the world, out an hour or so, you get to villages where there are no schools, no paper, no pencils, no books, no nuttin!

    Those people need:

    1. A SCHOOL! -- meaning four walls and a roof.
    2. A TEACHER! -- meaning somebody that can read nad write and add numbers.
    3. PAPER! -- just the cheapest grade.
    4. PENCILS! -- yes, they do not have pencils.
    5. BOOKS! --
    6. BREAKFAST!

      They do not need: money wasted on what random first-worlders thing third worlders need.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Ahhh, wait a minute, before everyone starts harping on this, notice:

      This pledgebank wasn't started by the project and isn't connected to them at all. This is nothing more than a well-intentioned and failed internet petition.

      Really, nothing to see here.