G8 Summit Aims To Kill International Piracy

arcticstoat writes "Next week, the G8 summit will discuss proposals for new international piracy laws, which include border controls and cooperation from ISPs to identify pirates. The laws will also prevent ISPs from being liable for copyright infringement. If the G8 summit were to agree on these measures and enforce them through international cooperation, could they really cut down piracy, or would they be impractical to enforce?"

Huh?!

What the ....?! I thought G8 were working actively _AGAINST_ global warming, and now THIS?!

Outrageous!

Religious Persecution! Mod parent FUNNY

The parent post neglected to clarify the reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster#Pirates_and_global_warming [wikipedia.org]

For those who believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Pirates are considered divine beings and the decrease in the number of pirates in the word (acording to followers of the FSM) id the true cause of global warming. Ergo, this can be seen as religious persecution!

This, of course, is a religious view which I will neither refute nor defend in this forum.

Re:Religious Persecution! Mod parent FUNNY

This, of course, is a religious view which I will neither refute nor defend in this forum.

      Hah! Unbeliever. As a true FSMer I would gladly give your life for my religion!

      RAmen.

Re:Religious Persecution! Mod parent FUNNY

But, aren't they both noodly? Don't they get rolled on a fork for eating? Aren't they tasty with a serving of tomato and meat sauce?

(With excuses to William Shakespeare)

Re:Huh?!

Actually every time you download a song not only are you contributing to terrorism, communism, and kitten killing, the Earth actually heats up by a fraction of a degree. By fighting piracy the G8 are actually fighting global warming.

Re:Huh?!

Actually every time you download a song not only are you contributing to terrorism, communism, and kitten killing

As a socially conscious person, is there a way I can download songs which only causes kitten killing? :-P

Cheers

What kind of pirates?

Data pirates or ship-hijacking pirates? Oh data pirates. You'd think they'd deal with the other type first.

Re:What kind of pirates?

Seriously. A lot of people don't realize just how many actual ship-hijacking pirates their really are. Parts of Africa, especially near Somalia, are rife with them, as are the Straits of Malacca.

Re:What kind of pirates?

I don't know about your country's WTO members, but as an American I want all American WTO people tried for treason and put in front of a firing squad. And I want their companies' buildings leveled in the most hostile manner possible and their business licenses revoked.

The WTO is anti-human. They need to be stopped by fair means or foul.

It's disgusting that this comes before my country's Independance Day. My country's government is owned by foreigners and American traitors.

Sorry for the ran but this really pisses me off.

Re:What kind of pirates?

Sadly there are far more Data pirates than "Board ye ship" pirates.

True, but data pirates don't kill people.

Only way to kill piracy ....

... is to hire NINJAS!

I'm so happy that

Piracy is taking precedence over energy conservation, alternative energy, weapons proliferation, violent crime, inflation, commodity prices and a couple permanent wars. Hooray. Let's choose an IMPORTANT topic for this year's G8 meeting. After all, quadrillions of dollars are being lost and billions of people are put out of work every day/starve to death because little Johnny watched a Britney Spears video on Youtube!

To the world's politicians: WHAT THE FUCK??? SERIOUSLY!

Re:I'm so happy that

Well, from the G8 viewpoint, you are missing the bigger picture. By keeping "the masses" entertained *and* making them pay through the nose for that entertainment, "the masses* could not possibly have the time or wherewithal to do something effective to counter the outright wholesale removal and denial of their rights. So, from the G8 point of view, all of this will help keep society stable running as the G8 intends.

Re:I'm so happy that

Do a little background reading, please.

The G8 is focused on economic activity, so discussion of the wars is pretty much right out.

Inflation is not a global problem, so why should countries not having inflation problems make it a primary matter on the agenda?

The agenda for the summit is defined by the host country (whose representative is the president for the year).

Also note that global climate change is being addressed by the G8+5, and was a major topic last year.

Finally, the G8 is not meeting for a week just to discuss IP and piracy. There are many other items on the agenda.

You should proceed to get your panties unbunched, and then bother to find out what the complete agenda is.

I agree that there are items of far bigger concern, but you should note that the G8 summit typically focuses on economic issues, not on things like war or violent crime -- though they are often linked to economics.

Re:I'm so happy that

To get to the voters they need money.

To get money they need donations

Large Corporations donate money. Lots of it.

Once in office, the allegiance is to the Corporation, as they provide the money to attract more votes.

Best of luck, fellas!

Given the technical literacy of the US government, they'll be lucky if they can even find the internet.

Don't tell 'em it's hiding in my basement. I downloaded it last week, and had a plummer come and remove the pipes afterward just to keep its location secret.

Typo in Title

The title of this story should read: "G8 Summit Aims To Kill International Privacy".

Re:Typo in Title

I think it should read "G8 Summit Aims To Kill independant music labels and film studios". I guess Star Wreck [wikipedia.org] really rattled Hollywood. Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning was incrediby well done and hilarious.

"My" representatives don't even represent my country, let alone me. They represent the foreigners who own the entertainment industries.

Apples and oranges

If the G8 summit were to agree on these measures and enforce them through international cooperation, could they really cut down piracy, or would they be impractical to enforce?

Not a matter of impractical... You have a stegosaurus trying to step on all those pesky little rats that recently appeared on the scene.

The stegosaurus can do whatever it wants, and the rats can't stop it. The rats, however, will last far longer than the dinosaurs.

Re:Apples and oranges

The stegosaurus can do whatever it wants, and the rats can't stop it. The rats, however, will last far longer than the dinosaurs.

Ah, I see! So what you are saying is that we should be free of annoying DRM in about 200 to 300 million years? Cool!

Thought it was going to be about high seas piracy

Something that causes the loss of actual lives and goods. But nope the lords of IP must be served.

http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/2008-05-15-voa5.cfm [voanews.com]
"The United States is very concerned about the increasing number of acts of piracy and armed robbery at sea, especially off the Somali coast," according to the U.S. Department of State. Piracy and armed robbery have disrupted trade in east Africa and threatened the delivery of humanitarian assistance to the Somali people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy [wikipedia.org]

the internet explained to bureacrats:

the internet is useful because it provides two way communication. if you make the internet a one way system, you basically have nothing more than a fancy form of television. you also therefore strip the internet of all meaning and value that you can think up examples of yourself: email, chat, interactive content, forms, etc.

so as soon as you accept the fact that the internet remains a two way medium, you begin to understand that the gig is up. policing the traffic that flows from one node to the next is an arms race. every single thing that those who wish to police traffic can do, can be routed around, obfuscated through, etc.

in other words, the gig is up, the effort is futile. piracy is permanent. all you can hope to do with your efforts is breed more hardy pirating applications. hardly what you seek to do

so the thing for a proper world leader to do is accept the inevitable, and recreate the legal structre surrounding intellectual property to accomodate the new technological reality we find ourselves in. the new technological reality we find ourselves in has simply antiquated copyright and other aspects of intellectual property as we know it, circa 1985

or wage war against technological progress. your choice

Governments have worked so well against drugs

There's no way they can fail to stop piracy!

*blinks*

My first glance at the page saw 'G8 Summons Ants to kill International Piracy'.

It would be about as effective as anything else they are going to do. I for one welcome our International Ant Overlords.

Re:The G8 is antiquated and increasingly irrelevan

You don't seem to particularly understand the importance of nations like Italy and France. As with Britain they're nations with extremely long histories that leave them to this day with a footing in many parts of the world. Their influence is incredibly strong internationally and it's this influence that keeps them strong economically, they're nations that simply wont sink in power because there's always nations willing to support them, trade with them and hold them up, often because of strong historical ties.

France particularly is strong in many other ways also, it's a member of the UN security council for one, has a lot of sway in the EU as does Italy- the EU is by far the worlds largest economy by GDP and many other measures.

These just aren't nations that are irrelevant, nor will they likely ever will be for decades or probably even centuries to come. I'm not saying this as a European with some arrogant feeling of self-importance (in fact, I'm British so I'm actually legally obliged to hate the French anyway ;)) but because these nations have so much power over international organisations and systems. They have the power to persuade the UN to push sanctions upon nations that dare consider trying to move away from the laws these nations produce for example and hence there's little that can topple them. Hell, a sizeable portion of the world depends on France and Italy for their defence, sure they could source equipment elsewhere but it'd take years and in the meantime they'd have zero support or ammo for their existing hardware.

It's probably worth also noting that France and Britain have been working to get China, India, Mexico, Brazil and South Africa in on the act for a little while now too, so as with most organisations irrelevance isn't relevant when change is possible as it is with the G8. China has been in on the G8 meets for a few years now anyway, there are only a few issues covered by the G8 from which it's excluded.