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Working Towards an Eco-Friendly Fireworks Display
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Soulskill
on Friday July 04, @09:45PM
from the patriotism-through-making-things-explode dept.
from the patriotism-through-making-things-explode dept.
phobos13013 writes "Here's an article just in time for 4th of July fireworks shows! The ACS's Chemical and Engineering News provides a fairly technical discussion about the hazardous chemicals in modern fireworks displays. Perchlorate is currently the oxidizer of choice in fireworks, but it is also known to be a thyroid blocker. Since perchlorates are water-soluble anions, they dissolve into groundwater quickly. A study performed last summer over a lake in Ada, Oklahoma showed that less than a day after a fireworks display, the lake's chlorate levels jumped by a factor of 1,000. It took weeks for the levels to drop back down to their baseline. On the other hand, heavy metals are used to produce the pretty colors typically associated with the best fireworks. The trend is to start using nitrogen-based oxidizing fireworks; they produce less smoke, which means a smaller amount of colorizing agents can be used in displays."
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Really? (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Really? (Score:5, Insightful)
I was thinking that it wasn't "just in time" but instead a moment of opportunity because the rest of the year no one would care.
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Fireworks drive away evil spirits (Score:3, Insightful)
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*pout* (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:*pout* (Score:5, Funny)
Several hundred acres of burning rain forest would be pretty exciting.
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But green's my favorite color!
Actually I'm really enjoying the new innovations that don't have to do with color. Every year at the fireworks display at Ida Lee Park in Leesburg, VA near where I live they usually show a new concept. One year was the rocket that bursts in a ring. Then they made a smiley face using two blue dots for eyes and several pink dots for a mouth inside the circle. Then they came up with a circle with a heart in it and last night they had rockets that burst in a star pattern. The
PETA won't be satisfied (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:PETA won't be satisfied (Score:4, Insightful)
The only reason that activist is bothered by it is because she doesn't like fireworks. She had no problems with vacuuming, even though that's another loud noise that her dog doesn't like.
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Re:PETA vs Gun Lobby (Score:4, Insightful)
One of my Labrador Retrievers, who is trained as a "gun dog", goes ballistic when he hears fireworks go off. He thinks they are shotguns which means that somebody is out hunting which means he should be doing the same.
He gets very upset when he finds out that this isn't the case. It just depends on how the dog is raised. Operant conditioning and all that.
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Exaggerate much?
I dislike PETA as much as the next guy, but your taking this a bit far.
My pets panic on the fourth and on New Years. I live in suburbia like most people. How many people ACTUALLY have hunting dogs? Really? What percentage?
Not many, anymore, I'd guess, times have moved on.
Just because a sport has a traditions, doesn't make it okay. Bullfighting and Cockfighting stretch back a bit, therefore throwing Christians to the lions and gladiatorial combat should be fine too? Should Human sacrifi
For better safety don't eat the fireworks (Score:5, Insightful)
How about **watching** the fireworks instead? Yeah I know that's an outlandish idea, but try it some time... you see all these pretty patterns!
Compared to all the tailpipe emissions of people driving to the firework display, the chemicals used on the lawns they are sitting on, the peroxide the "blonds" all used to bleach their hair etc etc, the chemicals in the actual fireworks are insignificant.
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Re:For better safety don't eat the fireworks (Score:5, Informative)
TFineA addresses this issue: the company they profile currently makes most of their sales to Vegas shows, professional wrestling events, and rock concerts, where you do in fact have people in a confined space breathing the fumes and exposed to particulates night after night after night. The other big market is the military, for signal flares and training aids. Again, fairly regular exposure.
In all, some interesting chemistry.
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Wow, they have lakes in those confined spaces?
You've obviously never been to Vegas.
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Re:For better safety don't eat the fireworks (Score:5, Insightful)
Jeez: perchlorate causes thyroid problems.... Well don't eat the firework and don't inhale the gases.
How about **watching** the fireworks instead
Fine - I'll watch them, not without remembering that there are many places in the world where people manufacture fireworks with their bare hands, and are in direct contact with the aforementioned toxic materials. Thank you for your kind interest.
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How about some perspective? (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:How about some perspective? (Score:5, Insightful)
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There are bigger problems to deal with than a dubious annual spike in a trace chemical.
How do you know? Maybe that once-a-month event has serious, long-term repercussions that we won't learn about for decades. Doesn't necessarily mean we have to stop, but we should either stop or make sure we don't need to stop :P
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I think this illustrates the GPs point. Since typical indoor Cl2 levels tend to be in the PPT range and occupational hazard levels are capped by OSHA at 1 PPM, a 1000 time increase would still trend toward putting you within an "acceptable" limit for long term exposure (1PPM is roughly the exposure you get from going for a swim in a chlorinated pool).
Now, if I had to put up with a 1000-fold increase in whining from my kids for a month, that would be another matter altogether.
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Erm, this is already the case for shotgun shells. Lead poisoning in waterfowl led to the banning of lead-based shotgun pellets.
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That's why I buy only depleted uranium shot loads!
=Smidge=
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Depleted uranium is used for reasons that have nothing to do with lead toxicity, but instead for its density and its self-sharpening trait. Keeping the penetrating point and maximum kinetic energy is important when punching through armor.
That said, there are growing areas banning lead bullets, including sometimes for law enforcement, due to the perceived health risk.
Re:I wonder... (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm glad that some folks think of things like in TFA, but at the same time - some things should just be left pretty much as they are. Though the levels in that lake may have risen to 1000 times normal (and one of the sampling sites was next to and between the "Ignition site"), they were back to normal in 20-80 days:
After the fireworks displays, perchlorate concentrations decreased toward the background level within 20 to 80 days, with the rate of attenuation correlating to surface water temperature. Adsorption tests indicate that sediments underlying the water column have limited (~100 nmol/g) capacity to remove perchlorate via chemical adsorption. Microcosms showed comparatively rapid intrinsic perchlorate degradation in the absence of nitrate consistent with the observed disappearance of perchlorate from the study site. This suggests that at sites with appropriate biogeochemical conditions, natural attenuation may be an important factor affecting the fate of perchlorate following fireworks displays.
Some things are worth a little danger, and thus also a little caution, or life wouldn't be so much fun...
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Not Cleveland, then?
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This is *not* insightful (and I'm wasting my change to mod it overrated to try and correct it).
1) Nitrogen is one of the most available chemicals on the planet.
2) *Nitrates* are the biologically available form of nitrogen.
3) Farmers dump hundreds of pounds to tons of fertilizer on their fields; depending on crop, soil, etc.
4) As far as I can tell, nitrates are not a major combustion product of nitrocellulose. You can get some
nitrogen dioxide as a seconday byproduct [aiaa.org], but no more so than