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China Announces Launch-Success Details — Before Launch 307

Ironsides writes "After faking the fireworks at the Olympics this year, one would have thought China had learned their lesson. Now, it appears they announced the success of their manned space mission before liftoff even occured, complete with dialogue."
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China Announces Launch-Success Details — Before Launch

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:45PM (#25158721)

    Nothing like a guaranteed success

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      This would be funny if it wasn't so disheartening that a government so glibly warps reality.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        the sad thing is, this deception was so unnecessary. i mean, obviously they didn't mean to post the article until after the launch. and in all likelihood the launch will probably be success, and even if the launch weren't people would eventually find out.

        so why go through the trouble to write fake news about a space mission that you're planning on carrying out anyway? that defeats the purpose doesn't it?

        • by Normal Dan ( 1053064 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @07:20PM (#25159219)
          There are already news articles written for when Obama is elected president. The same news organizations also have articles written for when McCain is elected president. The do this, so once elections are over, they will be the first to post an article about it. It takes time to write and edit, so time is saved by doing everything before hand.

          China wrote this article before the launch, so it could get it out as soon as success was confirmed, with little to no editing. Upon failure, articles such as this are suppose to be thrown out. This one never made it that far.
          • by OneIfByLan ( 1341287 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @07:29PM (#25159331)

            Yes, and the obituary of every major public figure has already been written as well. Such prep pieces are responsible practice for newspapers that have to be ready on-the-spot.

            This wasn't one of those pieces. This was an entire narrative complete with faked dialogue and details, such as being complete ahead of schedule. This wasn't preparation -- this was deception.

            Unfortunately, lately we seem to have absolutely no room to talk, given the practices of our own "You-have-to-give-me-700-billion-dollars-right-now-no-questions-asked-or-there-will-be-disaster" government.

            • by telchine ( 719345 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @07:34PM (#25159409)

              Yes, and the obituary of every major public figure has already been written as well. Such prep pieces are responsible practice for newspapers that have to be ready on-the-spot.

              This wasn't one of those pieces. This was an entire narrative complete with faked dialogue

              Yes, it was one of those pieces. You'll find that lots of news agencies have prep obituaries with "faked" messages of condolences. It helps to structure the article if there's dummy content in there. They are removed and replaced with the real messages once the real condolence messages are made.

              The same happened here. The "faked" dialogue was nothing more than dummy text.

              • by level4 ( 1002199 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @08:27PM (#25159869)

                Exactly. Any major news company does this kind of thing if there's a big event coming that they know about; it's just part of being prepared.

                You can just imagine how it went down - ask an intern to draft a victorious announcement. Jazz it up with some dialogue, use your imagination, etc. Sure, posting it ahead of time was pretty dumb, but hardly the huge conspiracy of deception that the summary makes it out to be - how exactly could you fake a successful rocket launch, anyway? Or more so - hide an explosive failure?

                Ridiculous. It's much ado about nothing. I bet this happens every day.

                And as for the "fake fireworks", I have another revelation for everyone - did you see that man who ran in the air all around the stadium? See him? Well, prepare to have your mind blown. Are you ready? Sure you're really ready? OK, get this:

                He wasn't really flying!

                • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

                  And as for the "fake fireworks", I have another revelation for everyone - did you see that man who ran in the air all around the stadium? See him? Well, prepare to have your mind blown. Are you ready? Sure you're really ready? OK, get this:

                  He wasn't really flying!

                  You do realize that fireworks are real and flying people aren't, right? There's a difference in faking one over the other because of that fact.

                • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                  by MikeBabcock ( 65886 )

                  What I don't get about the "faked" fireworks is this -- are we that jealous that China pulled off such a STUNNING opening that we have to nit-pick at one tiny feature? That lighting, the drummers, the organization, the structuring, the organization, the music, the dancers, the orchestration of the whole thing was magnificent. As a Canadian, I'm glad we didn't win this bid because I doubt we'd have pulled something that fantastically awesome out of our hats.

                • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                  by RAMMS+EIN ( 578166 )

                  ``how exactly could you fake a successful rocket launch, anyway? Or more so - hide an explosive failure?''

                  Clearly, you don't realize how much control the powerful have over people's minds. In Europe, everybody knows things about Tibet, and in China, everybody knows things about Tibet. But the things people know often completely contradict one another. In what is now Serbia, some drunken vandals caused minor disturbances in Belgrade. Or, if you believed B92 instead of the state media, a massive protest again

              • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

                is there really a difference in "corporate" condolences?

                this is like the Steve Jobs oops that happened a few weeks ago.

              • WTF? (Score:3, Insightful)

                The same happened here. The "faked" dialogue was nothing more than dummy text.

                The Chinese never heard of lorem ipsum??

              • by pbhj ( 607776 ) on Friday September 26, 2008 @05:12AM (#25163275) Homepage Journal

                From the article (which is quite poetic), the "dummy quotes" are all things that they will say (assuming they're not all killed before they get chance).

                http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_re_as/as_china_space_article_1 [yahoo.com]:

                'One minute to go!'

                'Changjiang No.1 found the target!'...

                'The air pressure in the cabin is normal!'

                That guy that says "One minute", well every trial run that's what he said, it's part of the mission. The guy that says "Changjiang 1 on target", you guessed it, he says that so everyone knows it's on target. Air pressure, ..., someone checks it every few minutes and announces the results occasionally.

                The only bit in the article that's a little weird is the "target is captured 12 seconds ahead of the predicted time". But they perhaps predicted a time 12 seconds late on purpose, or are just using that as a device to show how 1337 they are.

                Imagine you're writing an article about Bush addressing the nation you might prep with:

                "Bush had his usual statesman like swagger as he approached the dais, 'fellow Americans' he drawled, before telling us we should give up our hard won cash to support those billionaires who'd gone one gamble to far. Why? 'stability' says President Bush whilst Obama and McCain look on silently praying Mammon that such stability can be bought before their term starts ..."

                That's got to be pretty close?

            • by Surt ( 22457 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @08:19PM (#25159807) Homepage Journal

              What makes you think the dialogue and details were faked rather than scripted? I mean, in a country with no free speech, you can tell your astronauts precisely what they are going to say and do. It makes writing the press announcements ahead of time quite reasonable. If someone deviates, you kill them. It discourages the rest. Really, it's all quite efficient.

          • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @07:32PM (#25159367) Journal

            That's far too reasonable. Surely China is simply preparing for it's fake moon landing program, to show it's just as advanced as the US in fake space programs. Eveyrone knows the moon landings were really filmed in a soundstage on Mars!

      • by conlaw ( 983784 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @07:37PM (#25159439)
        Yes, it's awful when a country warps reality, like the statement from May 2003,

        US President George W Bush has said the US has prevailed in the Battle of Iraq in a speech on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln.

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2989459.stm [bbc.co.uk]

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:57PM (#25158903)

      They are going to hire Michael Jackson to train their astronauts to avoid that problem.

  • by darinfp ( 907671 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:45PM (#25158733)

    It looks like we'll be seeing $2 time machines imported from China any day now....

  • the invention of a time machine.

  • Hysterical. Entirely typical ... but still hysterical.
    • by flyingsquid ( 813711 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:58PM (#25158911)
      Personally, I'm not all that impressed by this incident. The Chinese lied about putting people in orbit? Please. Our government faked an entire moon landing. They have a long way to go before they'll catch up with us.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        Ron Paul!
      • by ZosX ( 517789 )
        How did they get the 900lbs of lunar rock back?
        • by tgd ( 2822 )

          Have you SEEN that 900 lbs of rock?

          All I've seen is pebbles sealed in plastic.

          >.>

          • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

            With made in china on the bottom...
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by ZosX ( 517789 )
            Either way, these samples have all been independently tested to prove that they were not from the planet Earth. If they can fly rocks back, they sure as hell can fly back astronauts. Furthermore, every one of the conspiracy theorists theories have been thoroughly debunked. There is no smoking gun. The van allen radiation belts would not have had much impact since their trajectory mostly avoided them and they passed through them in a very short period of time. The shuttle has passed through them at least onc
  • Also leaked (Score:5, Funny)

    by Shadow Wrought ( 586631 ) * <shadow.wrought@g ... minus herbivore> on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:46PM (#25158743) Homepage Journal
    Also leaked was a transcipt for their prospective moon landing...

    Shenzhou 11: Base this is Shenzhou 11. Shenzhou has landed. Jesus H. Christ Base, We're on the fucking moon. Over.

    Base: Roger, Shenzhou, we copy you. We cannot believe you are on the fucking moon. Repeat: Cannot fucking believe it. Over.
  • by HtR ( 240250 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:47PM (#25158757)

    Yeah, but because of timezones, it's already tomorrow over there, right?

    • Not only tomorrow, but tomorrow's tomorrow...

      TFA says,

      The arcticle, dated two days from now on Sept. 27, vividly described the rocket in flight, complete with a sharply detailed dialogue between the three astronauts.
  • by Kligat ( 1244968 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:48PM (#25158775)
    They said it would be open [space.com], honest, and transparent so as to let everyone get a glimpse into this historic achievement as a gesture of kindness toward the world. I actually thought about watching it for a few seconds, because there is only so much I thought they could think they could get away with. I guess I needed another reminder.
  • by fyleow ( 1098657 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:48PM (#25158777)
    Don't news agencies prepare stories before it happens so they can be published quickly? There was that article about Steve Jobs' demise which obviously did not happen.
  • The usual (Score:2, Funny)

    by Nux'd ( 1002189 )

    Don't they celebrate the new year before that happens too?

    I figure that's what's happening here.

  • by midnitewolf ( 673923 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:56PM (#25158883)

    It isn't that uncommon for Press Releases announcing the success of an event to be drafted before the event takes place.

    Sure, fabricating the actual dialogue ahead of time is shadier than most.. but really what they're doing isn't THAT different from what we do in America every day. It's only garnering attention because it was leaked, but I can't imagine that anyone who says they're shocked by this isn't feigning that shock.

    You could just as easily be just as shocked at a Presidential candidate accidentally releasing both a victory speech and a concession speech before knowing the outcome of an election. It's not really news, it's just humorous that it was posted (way) too prematurely.

    How many people are honestly surprised at this?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Yeah, but as others have pointed out, such scripted articles and speeches don't include supposed dialog from the future.
      • by AdamWill ( 604569 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @07:21PM (#25159225) Homepage

        Actually, newspapers print extracts from speeches politicians haven't yet given all the time - because they're scripted days in advance and, these days, intentionally provided to the press.

        If you look at the 'dialog' in the story it's really nothing of the sort. It's canned phrases. Just like, as someone already noted, "One small step..." So there's obviously some phrases that it is known will be used during a successful launch, so the journalist can take a short cut in writing a story about it...

        All major news outlets have pre-written obituaries for just about every major celebrity who's vaguely within range of snuffing it. Every few months there's a 'controversy' when one of 'em gets mistakenly published. I don't really see any difference to that...

    • DEWEY WINS! (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Shadowlore ( 10860 )

      "You could just as easily be just as shocked at a Presidential candidate accidentally releasing both a victory speech and a concession speech before knowing the outcome of an election. It's not really news, it's just humorous that it was posted (way) too prematurely."

      Only if it included the exact vote totals.

      Yes, the dialogue inclusion is the particularly bad part about this. And it coming from a place that is known to censor things it does not like, lie about what it does, and generally be evil. IN isolati

    • Sure, fabricating the actual dialogue ahead of time is shadier than most..

      It sure is -- it's not like the US had scripted dialogue prepared before the moon landing! That would just be over the top.

      Although, knowing us and our study habits, even if we had bothered to prepare lines, the astronaut would probably have just flubbed them.

  • Video (Score:3, Funny)

    by kabloom ( 755503 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:56PM (#25158887) Homepage

    I'm not sure I believe the video either.

  • It's not funny (Score:3, Insightful)

    by QuantumG ( 50515 ) * <qg@biodome.org> on Thursday September 25, 2008 @06:56PM (#25158893) Homepage Journal

    If they're lying about their success (and yes, even if the mission turns out to be a success, they're still lying by announcing it early) then what else are they lying about?

    For all we know dozens of taikonauts have died or been wounded in the making of China's space program.

    They wouldn't tell us if it was the case.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    ..and they have the ability to launch them within 45 minutes.

    • Next they'll be announcing that Tibet has launched Nuclear Weapons next year, justifying their invasion yesterday.

      Of course by the time the rest of the world figures out what the hell this actually means the conflict will be over.

  • But we've always been at war with East Asia!
  • Of what the Chinese astronauts are supposed to say, including their emotional state and excitement. Those clever Chinese, they can't leave anything to chance after all!

    Wait, was it "One small step for A man?" or "One small step for man?" Dang I forget...

  • China didn't fake the fireworks, NBC did.

  • by thewils ( 463314 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @07:18PM (#25159175) Journal

    Pilot: Somebody set up us the bomb.
    Ground Control: We get signal.
    Pilot: What !
    Ground Control: Main screen turn on.
    Pilot: It's you !!

    Technician: How are you gentlemen !!
    Technician: All your base are belong to us.

  • Pathetic summary (Score:3, Informative)

    by zoogies ( 879569 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @07:53PM (#25159577)

    "After faking their fireworks?"

    Please.

    All the fireworks were real. The thing you're referring to is a sequence of fireworks that wasn't filmed for television and was replaced by CGI.

    The reason that the sequence - a series of giant "footsteps" across parts of Beijing - was not filmed was that it was deemed too dangerous to follow the fireworks with a helicopter and camera.

    The fireworks, of course, actually happened, and the stadium coverage of the fireworks were all real. Get your facts straight.

  • Isn't this common in journalism? If a known event is coming up, you write the article ahead of time -- one article for each probable outcome of the event. That way, when it occurs, you can publish immediately and not worry about being "scooped" by the competition. Most news agencies have obituaries already written for hundreds of celebrities. I'm sure most of them have stories already written for the victory of Obama or McCain, ready to roll out as soon as the official count comes in.

    Looks to me lik
  • Just... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by DeathElk ( 883654 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @08:13PM (#25159753)
    World: You lied to me
    China: It wasn't lies, it was just... bullshit
  • by hackingbear ( 988354 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @10:11PM (#25160667)
    Google News will never make such silly mistakes like Xinhua does. They only reincarnate the old ones. Subscribe to Google News today!
  • A thought (Score:3, Insightful)

    by AEC216 ( 621410 ) on Thursday September 25, 2008 @11:49PM (#25161471)
    Some consider China a threat. When ruled by ideology, group think, and the lowest common denominator, this is what you get.
  • by SmallFurryCreature ( 593017 ) on Friday September 26, 2008 @05:35AM (#25163387) Journal

    As has already been pointed out, the linked to fireworks slashdot story was already piss poor sensationalism. The fireworks were announced around the world as being CGI. So the entire story basically said "some obviously fake fireworks that were said to be fake when shown were fake". No shit sherlock.

    And now we got a story that a news agency accidently released a pre-written story. Not like we never heard of obituraries being printed ahead of time. Anyone who has ever worked in the news industry knows that you prepare AHEAD of time.

    Hell, even advertising does this. Or do you think that during events like soccer championships the advertise executives sit glued to the tv screen then the moment the result is in start putting together the add in a matter of hours to be included in tomorrows newspaper celebrating/mourning the match? Hell no, you prepare the ad campaign in advance for all outcomes.

    For the uneducated editors of slashdot: Most christmas scenes/photo's etc etc are NOT shot during christmas. They are created in mid summer with FAKE snow.

    Most christmas/newyears specials are recorded MONTHS in advance.

    A lot of short tv programs with live audiences are recorded back to back on a single day to be aired on different days.

    Star Wars was NOT a war documentary on a battle that happened in a galaxy far far away.

    More and more reading the summary on slashdot is a joke, the actual story is not in the linked articles but in the comments. Slashdot would improve an awful lot of we could get rid of the editors and make it purely user contributed. Mmm, wait a moment, that is digg. Nevermind.

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