DirecTV Can Disable HDTV Reception Remotely 188
Marty writes: "Most of us are still waiting for HDTV to arrive. There have been some alternatives available to people who don't live in an area with a HDTV-broadcasting station, like DirecTV. However, it looks like DirecTV has chosen to go the content-control route with the MPAA. Their set top boxes now contain the CGMS, or Copy Generation Management System. Part of the scheme allows for the remote disablement of the HDTV (480p, 720p, and 1080i) analog outputs on the set-top box, allowing the user to only view the low-grade 480i picture, even though the programming is broadcast in HD. So, now that you've spent $2000+ on your HDTV, $1000 on your DirecTV HDTV box, and your DirecTV subscription, someone else decides whether or not you can actually take advantage of that investment. You can read the full details here at E-Town."
EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:3)
As an EE student in college, that for some reason sounds like it would be possible to bypass in hardware. Solder the output pin(s) of this chip here, break this connection, etc. Can any real EEs comment on this?
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They'll quickly realize this won't fly... (Score:3)
I'm not sure on this, but I'd wager that this will seriously hurt their business and they'll change if they want to survive.
Pananoia? (Score:2)
Does anyone else...? (Score:1)
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:1)
Die the death of 1,000 DIVX (Score:1)
Though I am not a big audio/video file (I still have a 2 head VCR), just the idea that a remote company can have control over how I use my personal equipment scares me. All I really have to say is that hopefully, once this stuff really starts to hit the market in full force, the mass market will soon figure out that they're being led like calf to slaughter and all of this content control management crap will die a death of 1,000 DIVX's.
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:1)
Is it just me or is HDTV DOA? (Score:5)
Re:Pananoia? (Score:2)
I support watermarks on recordings so both sides can have their cake and eat it too.
Let's all scream and yell, DON'T READ the article (Score:5)
If they were to use stuff like this randomly, they'd lose customers. Come on people. DirecTV isn't a necessity, it's a luxury and a monthly service that they can end (barring a contract).
Alex
So? (Score:1)
-- Charles M. Schulz, via Lucy Van Pelt
I still don't get it (Score:4)
I see two possibilities for such absurdity:
1. Somebody's getting paid a lot of money to LIE to the management of these companies (paid by the company as consultants I would imagine). This person would cease to be paid if there were no problems, so they get created artificially.
2. These companies are consciously trying to monopolize content distribution by making all distibution methods under their sole control.
There are probably more, these just popped into my conspiratorital (that's not a word, is it?) little mind the most quickly.
<sigh>
hdtv not all it's cracked up to be (Score:2)
i've had an hdtv set for almost a year now, and i have to say, im significantly less than impressed, there is an extremely poor programming choice available (in my area anyway)
it seems to me that the users of hdtv may make this another one of the pay-per-view options, and make the higher resolutions available at a special higher price (watch this movie in high-resolution, click
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) of course, with the rate of hdtv's inception, i feel it's going to be awhile before this is an extremely pertinent issue.Scary (Score:1)
Content Providers controlling their revenue (Score:2)
Once the providers decide on more ways to make money (i.e charging viewers $9.99 to watch a game 2 hours after it is over instead of $19.99 Live) There *ARE* people who record a game and dont watch any news shows or read the paper till they have watched the recorded show. This would be an excellent way for them to capitalise on people who work during the show time.
Piracy is the lowest item on the list. Piracy is possible for Pay-Per-View movies, but by then the video is already in your corner video rental.
IMHO this is all about controlling and adding a revenue stream.
But for the life of me I dont understand why they would want to reduce the grade on the picture? Is this the "Go stand in the corner" punishment from them?
The number of the beast
investments? (Score:1)
1. tv sets and video playback equipment is not an 'investment'. you don't sell it years later and make money on it (as always there are exceptions that prove the rule.)
2. this is just my (somewhat (un?)informed) opinion, but hdtv doesn't seem like it's really ready. i'm sure i'll get flamed for that, but i just don't know alot of people who have them, and they don't seem to be selling like hotcakes.
3. i'm just a poor college student, so it's not like i have the cash to buy one (hdtv set) anyway, but i wouldn't (won't?) even consider it while all these arguments over control are going on. RIAA, MPAA, DVD's, HDTV, blah blah blah... there is a lot of fighting over control which will translate into money vs freedom, and who wants to get caught in the crossfire? i dunno 'bout you, but i'm waiting to see who wins and THEN i'll worry about to buy.
4. lots of freedom issues... why give them money to take more of your money AND your freedom away from you, etc. important things to consider.
anyway, i've really wandered off the beaten track here, so here i finish. flame away.
eudas
Eh? (Score:3)
But, I can get three local channels too: CBS and local weather (oh boy!).
Having experienced full 1080i I'll never go back to regular TV.
Even the digital channels on DirecTV blow away a regular TV tube on my 62" HTDV.
Down with analog TV.
Unless you have tried it, don't bitch or you'll be a fool.
Micro
Lower Definition = More Content (Score:1)
However, they could also use this in a beneficial way. I am not really sure on how their system works but if the system can affect how a single decoder receives the channels it could allow the user to have more control over their content. More channels at a lower definition, or less at a higer definition; or maybe a mix, pick the few you want in HDTV and leave the rest at standard definition.
What all comes out of it really depends on how they use this system as it could be either benificial or harmful to the viewer's experience. Having the choice to customize HDTV viewing options would be great if more stations actually broadcast in HDTV.
Like everything else in technology, the tech itself isn't inherently evil, just the way you might use it.
George Orwell was close (Score:3)
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:1)
Re:Pananoia? (Score:2)
Then what? (Score:1)
Looks like people will have to go inside their TVs to get the signal they need to exercise their legally-granted rights to time-displace content.
Then what, the TV sets will be manufactured with an explosive charge which will destroy the insides unless a smart card is used to open it?
So people will have to use TEMPEST-like tactics to construct the signal from leakage and feed it to their recorders.
Then what, HDTV sets will be constructed with Faraday cages, adding a few dozen kg to the weight and several cm all around to the dimensions, requiring substantial extra power to make up for the intensity lost by viewing through a steel screen?
So people will use cameras to record the image displayed on the screen, together with software that counters the distortion created by the glass shape and pixel fuzziness.
Then what, TVs will display encrypted content directly on their screens and people who want to watch PPV wrestling events will have to have a chip mounted along their optic nerve to decrypt the signal en route to the brain?
I for one can't wait. I am sick and tired of all these morally bankrupt thieves thinking they can just watch shows they've paid for and listen to music they bought. I mean, where do they get off? Actually, "thieves" is too weak a word. I will henceforth refer to these foul malefactors as Intellectual Property Rights Murderers, for their offenses against the most hallowed recording and motion picture industries are tantamount to murder and should be punished as such. Until the State wises up and handles these heinous crimes accordingly, we can thank God that technology will provide suitable interim measures.
The lawyer in the back of my head wrote... (Score:1)
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:2)
Creating Content Pirates (Score:1)
What the industry does not grasp is by placing all these restrictions on devices, they create the pirate market. If I want to watch the HDTV broadcast of a superbowl at 2am I will find a way to do it. Be it a hardware hack/dongle or a software solution, this industry will FORCE me to violate the law. And for those of you you say "I don't see them twisting your arm", anything the prevents me from viewing content, whether ad supported or pay per view, can only have one of two results, me changing the channel or me fixing the problem.
I aplogize for not being a good lemming and accepting the crap the RIA/MPAA dish out. And remember, all these steps are being taken to represent the corporate interests in the distribution channel and not necessarily the interests of the content creaters.
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:2)
Sad...
EchoStar Advertisement (Score:3)
merci (Score:1)
Maybe this is why HDTV is not growing (Score:1)
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:1)
Amber Yuan 2k A.D
typical /. overreaction (Score:1)
You then dropped $1k (or whatever)for a HDTV box.
You're probably dropping more than $100 / month for service.
And you're using the analog outputs on your HDTV reviever?
You probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the different resolutions anyway. Digital connections (s-video, for instance) are the only way to go with HDTV.
This is just as bad as the people who drop $1k for a nice 5.1 reciever and plug it up with RCA cables.
-BlueLines
it's a lost cause. (Score:1)
All generalizations are false.
Re:Does anyone else...? (Score:1)
Fuck it, I hate politics. The best reaction to control is a sharp knife. Call that ignorance, I don't care. I'd like to put a hole in the back of every person's head who pushes shit like DeCSS [being banned], copy protection, and other horseshit litigation.
Re:typical /. overreaction (Score:1)
Svideo is analog, and NTSC. Svga is analog. Its ALL still analog. There are no TVs out there that support digital in, and no receivers that support digital out. NONE. That's the whole problem.
*EVERYTHING* has to be scrapped. Thanks a buttload and all that cruft...
Content / value / pay (Score:1)
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:3)
As an EE student in college, that for some reason sounds like it would be possible to bypass in hardware. Solder the output pin(s) of this chip here, break this connection, etc. Can any real EEs comment on this?
Unfortunately the various signals you're looking for probably don't exist on any pins; the chip which does teh decode also does the conversion for various output formats. Flip a bit in a register and certain outputs are disabled from within the chip itself.
As a longtime hacker The proliferation of ASICs and FPGAs are disheartening. As a designer they're great. It's not easy being me.
Boycott DirecTV (Score:2)
DirecTV must compeate... (Score:1)
I can't think up a good anolog...
But theres a flawed one..
If Ford were to design a car that could disable the heater when ever they felt like it.. You'd buy a diffrent car wouldn't you?
Admittedly this switch is in the HDTV not in DirecTV however.. If say Ford built such a switch and then never used it... you'd never know...
Re:George Orwell was close (Score:1)
Big Brother is you watching.
Re:Does anyone else...? (Score:1)
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:3)
Of course, there are people out there with enough time and knowledge to do it and spread the info, but I doubt if an inexperienced or unmotivated person could do it.
Re:typical /. overreaction (Score:3)
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:1)
If I read the article correctly, they don't turn off the 1080i signal, they turn off the 1080i signal being sent through the analog output. Their worry is that you could plug an HDTV analog signal into an HDTV analog recorder (which the article says is not yet available) and get a perfect copy of the movie.
I would assume this means there is also a "digital" output which would plug directly into your HDTV.
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:1)
I'd be more distressed by the fact that all of this is going to do nothing more than drive costs up, since anyone who wants to build a 'licensed' display will have to pay the royalties for that decryption technology. And I imagine they probably built-in a capacity for key revokation (like DVD CSS), so should someone break into the company that made your TV set and release details on how the system works based on that manufacturer's keys, all that manufacturer's customers get to suffer. Sounds like fun, doesn't it?
I wish the MPAA would lose it's paranoia about copying and copyright infringement. It's not like a copying free-for-all has happened under the current system even without crappy MacroVision, so there's very little reason to tighten the noose. Maybe if they started charging reasonable rates for their product, people wouldn't feel the need to copy it without paying for it. I suppose the concept of 'fair use' has been a thorn in the side of organizations like the MPAA and RIAA in their neverending quest to gouge customers for every last dime, so I can see how removing that capability completely either via technology or via litigation would appeal to them.
Re:Pananoia? (Score:1)
2,000,000 computers were shipped last year in the US.
1,500,000 Windows licenses were obtained.
1/4th of all people using computers are using pirated copies of windows.
Re:Let's all scream and yell, DON'T READ the artic (Score:2)
The Karma Whore's Rules:
Re:Pananoia? (Score:2)
Notice that corporations are Not Democracies, especially when they are Monopolistic? As they agglomerate more and more, coalescing into larger megacorps (Time/Warner/AOL, out here we have Verizon and Adelphia, which seem pretty national), they are less beholden to what in a free market would be 'what is best for the consumer'? In this instance, we do have the choice of Echostar/Dish Thank God (as long as you are an informed consumer, they seem to be trying to slip stuff under the rug), but many other market areas are becoming sole-source. The argument that 'we have a choice as consumers' loses weight if our choice is 'take it or leave it'. It ain't the government that is going to be our advocate any more, either, folks. It wasn't under Clinton and it damn sure ain't gonna be under Shrub. What protections are being offered in other countries anyway?
On a side note, I still have about 150 phonograph records. heh... wonder where I can get my record player repaired... It's funny listening to an old crackly album anymore. Kind of like having a little fire going in the fireplace while you're listening to your music. A constant, repetitive, annoying little amplified fire...
Re:typical /. overreaction (Score:1)
> Digital connections (s-video, for instance) are the only way to go with HDTV.
I can't speak for every HDTV out there, but mine only has analog inputs for everything from 480i to 1080i.
S-video is not digital. Neither are composite or component (PYbYr) connections. If you're using a typical computer monitor (not an LCD panel with DVI connector), it is also analog.
Analog is not a synonym for low resolution. This is just another good example of how rapidly changing technology and irresponsible marketing and salesmanship can quickly spread misunderstanding.
Re:Does anyone else...? (Score:1)
Re:Then what? (Score:1)
Create a simple external disabler..
This box filters out the signial for disabling the higher quality...
Such a box would be cheap.. maybe $5 a unit.. simple.. easy to build in any home.. sold illegally at flee markets and on-line outside the united states (where they are legal).. to those inside the united states (where it is illegal)..
Re:Is it just me or is HDTV DOA? (Score:2)
Yes! That is a very distinct possibility! I seem to recall that when the government (FCC) was handing out HDTV bands to the broadcasters they were about four times as large as current LDTV bands, and an option to transmitting one HDTV show - when there was no HDTV show scheduled - would be to xmit Four LD shows. I read somewhere that the broadcasters were perfectly willing to quadruple their revenue-generating schedules and ditch HDTV in the process. This seems underhanded to me. Does anyone have any more info on this topic? I don't even know where to look to get it.
Write to this address NOW! (Score:2)
I recommend writing the committee directly about how your right to timeshift if being taken away.
Committee on Energy and Commerce
U.S. House of Representatives
2125 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington DC 20515
Also, you can go to http://www.house.gov/commerce/ to get the names of the memebers.
we should stop bitching and do something... (Score:2)
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WILL CHANGE WITHOUT YOU! period, don't expect the rest of the world to fight your battles. It's time we start pushing congress to balance the laws. Copyright laws need to be revised. It's time lawmakers start asking if such laws infringe on the rights of consumers. For those of you who have written these people don't stop. This is the first step to changing something and nothing changed without action.
Once the letters start coming in Officials will have to pay more attention to the issue. Once we can show them that many americans do feel that XYandZ are wrong they will have to take such things into consideration. If they choose to ignore it we will just have to be louder.
need to know how to contact your senator or rep? House of Representatives [house.gov]
Senate [senate.gov]
Now don't give me any of that crap that this is off topic because this is Direct TV's decision. It's obvious that the MPAA's anticopying tatics are to blame. This is what happens when we stay quite. It's all been trickling down from the DMCA.
A napster for video has them wetting their pants (Score:3)
The thing about movies is that unlike a song, once you see it, you're not gonna play it over and over.
So, if their is ANY way that a consumer can trade a copy with somebody else, they want to stomp it out before it is ever invented. If history is any indication, HDTV is a form of visual DAT.
I really don't see HDTV off the ground by 2006 when the FCC is suppose to shut off regular TV. I'm not gonna spend $2000 on a TV set. maybe $300, but any higher and I start reading more books.
Who knows, maybe this will usher in an era of literary renaissance.
Generate your own video signal (or don't) (Score:2)
However, I do have a PSX, a SNES, two PCs, a video camera and a still camera that can output to video. As far as I'm concerned, my TV is for them. If it so happens that I feel that FoxTel (Oz PayTV) can provide an incoming signal that's worth subscribing to (I do), then so be it. If it doesn't work with whatever I've chosen to purchase for my own projects, then I'll stop paying for it.
I hardly ever watch Free-to-Air TV anymore. Just Stargate, Buffy, Dilbert & the SBS world news. I'm not going to be buying an A$8,000 TV for four programs, one of which isn't currently on and another is currently showing repeats.
You want control over content? Go out and create some of your own.
Boiling Frog urban legend. (Score:2)
http://www.fastcompany.com/online/01/frog.html
Vermifax
Re:typical /. overreaction (Score:3)
Analog does not equate to poor quality. Given the bandwidth required for a video component, and the distance needed between the source and the display, it is easy to make that connection in the analog domain with everyday cables. 1080i and 720p look stupendous using analog connections.
The only people that have digital video technology today are those that are playing DVDs on their computer and running the signal out via a DVI connector to a digital LCD flat panel like this Apple Studio Display [apple.com]. These people have spent significantly more than $3000 just to watch movies on a digital display that can't even display a proper black.
Last point: any CRT-type television with digital inputs will not have any significantly better performance than an analog model. All the digital model will do is move the video DACs closer to the guns, and allow a longer run between the source and the display. Big deal.
Re:They'll quickly realize this won't fly... (Score:2)
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Re:investments? (Score:2)
True, a TV set is not part of an "investment portfolio," but the above is a very limited view on what an investment is. A TV is an investment because you lay out a large amount of cash with the expectation that it will eventually pay back in utility (that's the economic term, I prefer "happiness"). If you pay extra for the utility of a higher definition screen, and you cannot get that content, then the money you've invested (over the cost of a normal TV) is lost, because you can never get that utility.
Re:Let's all scream and yell, DON'T READ the artic (Score:2)
Did *you* read the article? (Score:2)
It also has to do with terms of service that are not published (yet), and that are imposed by an entity (movie studios, presumably) with whom you do not have a direct relationship.
In other words, you are purchasing hardware that may, at a later date, be largely useless not because of actual technical obsolescence, but because copyright holders are developing a philosophy of guilty-until-proven-innocent -- and, further, believing that there is no acceptable proof of innocence.
There's always a penalty for early adopters, but it usually arises out of circumstance, not as deliberate policy.
Re:Pananoia? (Score:5)
If they can go further and make sure that they not only control the hard copy distribution but also the individual viewings of the material they own, as they are moving to do, they can force even greater profits out of the pay-per-use model that companies are working towards.
Modern companies realize that they have 3 choices:
1) Compete with people offering their own products for free.
2) Squelch that competition and go about business as usual.
3) Squelch that competition and take advantage of the copy control schemes to squeeze even more profits than they have now out of users of their products.
Guess which one any publicly-owned corporation, who has nothing to answer to except their stock owners and the pockets of their executives, would pick?
Re:Let's all scream and yell, DON'T READ the artic (Score:2)
Re:I still don't get it (Score:5)
2. Consumers want the content.
3. We have the technology to make consumers pay us in various ways for the content.
4. We will therefore charge whatever the market will bear and impose whatever restrictions are necessary to ensure that we are paid the price we have set.
5. Piracy shall not be viewed as a protest of these charges. It is a criminal act that we will stop in whatever ways necessary. If we can eliminate piracy, consumers who may have pirated content will have two choices: pay for the content or do without. People here have often commented on the failure of the DiVX format as an example of how consumers will reject such intrusive content restrictions. This may be a valid point, but another lesson can be learned from it: If you're going to impose a system such as DiVX on the marketplace, then you'd better make damn sure that a less restrictive alternative, i.e. DVD, is not available. In other words, if the entertainment industry had it to do all over again, my guess is that they would still roll out DiVX, but they'd never allow standard DVDs to see the light of day. In such a scenario, DiVX might just succeed, since the consumer has no alternative. They'd probably even make the argument that if a consumer wants unlimited viewing rights, he can stick with VHS. If, however, he wants better quality, he's going to have to pay the higher price of DiVX. If enough consumers buy into this view and start using DiVX, then the content owners turn a profit. For those who don't see this as fair, well, they'll just have to find something else to do to pass the time. My point here is this: If you feel that content restrictions such as the ones discussed daily on Slashdot are harsh/unfair/immoral/whatever, then you'd better either figure out a way to organize one hell of a boycott and make it stick, or you'd better lobby for legislation to prevent or regulate these practices because, if you don't, the content owners are going to push these things as far as they can. If they could find some economical and legal way to have a guy looking over your shoulder 24/7 to make sure you comply with whatever content restrictions they devise, they'll do it and feel completely justified in doing so. From their point of view, they're protecting their property, and if that's somehow inconvenient for you, that's just tough--unless, of course, that inconvenience has a negative effect on their corporate well-being.
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:2)
Re:Is it just me or is HDTV DOA? (Score:4)
so don't buy it (Score:2)
Re:Degraded Picture for the stray sheeple. (Score:2)
They only degrade or disable the output on the non scrambled outputs so it can't be recorded and herd the sheeple to the protected content enabled TV's. To see the big game in HDTV (which is avaliable) it must be watched on a scrambled content enabled display.
As I said before, this will not be sold to the sheeple as a limitation in a set but as an added feature. It is able to display the PPV fight in HDTV. The VCR or TVIO on the RGBHV output is SOL on this broadcast. You will have to buy both the reciever to recieve HDTV and a scrambled content enabled TV. Expect the cable box to eventualy be built right into the TV as a PPV appliance. Hooking up your old 19 inch computer monitor to the RGBHV output will not show the PPV event. It will get the nag screen instead. (you need to upgrade again) Sheeple will follow the content to the new medium as the unprotected medium goes to infomercials only. (kinda like C-band tv did and people followed the content to DSS subscriptions)
"Most of us" waiting for HDTV? (Score:2)
And I don't think people like my lover, who makes half the money I do and works ten times as hard to get it, care either. And I daresay there are a lot more people like him than like me. HDTV is a luxury item for the geek with more money than common sense, and (the gods willing) will remain such for a good long while.
hyacinthus.
Re:Lower Definition WRONG!! (Score:2)
Re:Boiling Frog urban legend. (Score:2)
Re:Is it just me or is HDTV DOA? (Score:2)
Re:Pananoia? (Score:2)
Statistics like what the MPAA put out are probably based on worst/best case assumptions. e.g. that the MP3 that I downloaded to figure out if I wanted to buy the album would have been paid for at full retail album price on top of my physical purchase. -- and even if It turns out to be a dud song/album, I would have bought the whole thing anyways.
`ø,,ø!
Re:Did *you* read the article? (Score:2)
Re:Let's all scream and yell, DON'T READ the artic (Score:2)
This is a very important example of a very important issue. What you have said about the market is mostly correct and should mean people won't use their service, except it seems every company is doing the same thing and any company which doesn't gets sued (under the DMCA, etc) or else, it is apparent, there is widespread industry collusion. This is very troubling. I wish it were a free market as you envision, but it really is not. Disparate things are being forcefully tied together by powers that seem to be way outside the reach of the normal consumer and demand.
What's Wrong With Content Protection [cryptome.org]
A good book... (Score:2)
Damn, I'm starting to sound like my grandfather (may God rest his soul)... Maybe the old guy had an idea after all.
But, I'm sure they'll may an ink that fades after you read the book or pages that curlup and fall apart... *grin*
My grandfather once said that he could remmember when they got their first radio, and then their first TV... But, he allways thought that T.V. was just a fad, a long running fad mind you... But people would find their way back to a more mentally challaging way of wasting ones time. With a movie or TV you always wish it would have played or looked different, at least with a book, it can be the way you want it, the journy is yours to take, the writer is just a guide... Beside, you can start and stop a book and time you want, and you can even give the book to another after your done.
Jason
Dayton, Ohio
copy protection doesn't necessarily kill (Score:2)
Burris
Re:"Most of us" waiting for HDTV? (Score:2)
Two years ago 32 inch TV's were floating around $1000-$1200, now they are in the $500 range. Same thing is happening with HD.
From a consumer standpoint content really makes this work. PBS does such a great job with HD content I can't believe how bad the big three are.
The PBS station delivers 4 subchannels, One has weather, one does the normal PBS content, a third does PBS kids, and the last does PBS-U.
Off-topic My Ass (Score:2)
If we don't make the stand here it's "Game Over Man!" This isn't a market acceptence issue since the turn over to HD is not optional. Prices will go down and consumers will be lead into virtual slaughter house we know as Content Control.
Write a letter and get it there before the 30th:
Committee on Energy and Commerce
U.S. House of Representatives
2125 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington DC 20515
Also go here: http://www.house.gov/commerce/ and see if any of the goonies on the list are your bitch!
Simple Solution (Score:3)
If you're feeling like you really need to do something, write to your local cable provider/broadcasters and everyone else behind Digital TV, and tell them why you decided to stop watching TV.
Writing your Congressman about important issues like copyright, 'net censorship, etc, is a good thing, but don't waste their time on TV. Not being able to tape Star Trek is not and should not be a Federal concern.
Worst case--only you and a few other people stop watching, and you discover how much more time you have. Best case--consumers start leaving TV en mass (already happening), and companies change their tune. Capitalism will work for you if people actually give two shits.
I agree that this is part of a larger, worrisome trend, but if TV is the issue that finally gets us off our collective asses, what does that say about us? Does it mean that we don't care about our basic liberties, but not being able tape Simpsons is a crisis? What a sad social commentary that would be.
Re:OTOH (Score:2)
They never were sane. They've been trying to get control of our enterainment habits since the inception of the phonograph & radio "threatened the whole industry". It's just that, until now, the courts have held their control complex at bay.
Now, however, they've got control of congress, and the courts are going to be hard pressed to stop this 500Kg gorilla.
`ø,,ø!
Way to go DISH! (Score:2)
Scream and Yell, but at DirecTV directly! (Score:3)
Your comment or question:
I don't expect to hear anything, but if they getwww.callmeaconsumerandillkickyourduff.com (Score:3)
Try calling yourself a 'citizen' or 'person' or 'individual' or 'constituent' or anything else.
While your writing these notes; why not add that you feel the USA should remove itself from the WIPO and WTO also.
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:3)
I think this is the rub. By locking down "protections" and control over digital technology that they didn't legally and technologically have with analog, they are setting the stage where they simple CAN charge out the wazoo.
And rates have been climbing towards unreasonable for quite some time. Basic cable rates of $40/month?!! DVD movies costing $25-30??!
While I do NOT advocate piracy, in some ways, the threat of piracy is a check on the power of cartel monopolies like the MPAA/RIAA. By knowing that their media CAN be pirated and that it WILL be widespread if given enough reason to, the MPAA/RIAA knows there is a limit to how much they can charge.
What they want is a world where there IS no threat of piracy at all. However, people like Valenti are babes in the woods when it comes to truly understanding how technology works. They simply do not understand that the more onerous, annoying and intrusive their "copy protection" becomes, the greater the chance that it WILL be broken. Also, the higher the price becomes, the greater likelyhood that a larger number of people WILL pirate.
Since consumer video and recording tecnology HAS to have a certain shelf-life (most peope will simply NOT put up with replacing their players, TV's etc as often as we upgrade computers), advancing technology will pretty much render ANY copy protection obsolete and crackable.
However, the existance of the DMCA does suggest that they have at least thought of this in some ways, by getting these circumvention devices declared illegal.
But, it's only a matter or time until at least some of the teeth are jarred from the DMCA. By striking first, the MPAA was able to handpick their man ("judge" Kaplan) and get the ruling they wanted. In the near future, DMCA cases are going to be heard in a lot of locales by a lot of different judges. I have to be optimistic and hope that Kaplan only represents an extreme minority. If he does represent the typical judge, then you might as well order your jackboots, and practice singing your Corporate Hymn.
Thank you MPAA for improving my mind (Score:3)
The point is, we don't want to raise kids who are glued to the set all day. So we've been planning to wean ourselves off television, set time limits, etc, so that when we do have children we won't reflexively turn on the tube. But now it seems that the MPAA is kindly helping me to make that transition a lot easier. I no longer feel any desire to buy a big bad TV with HDTV and 1024 lines of resolution and such, just to pay $60 per month for channels chock-full of commercials whose content I can't timeshift or record at one set and watch on another. On the practical side, it's just much more inconvenient than TV is currently ; on the moral side, I don't want to be made to feel like I can't be trusted with the valuable "content" that these media companies are kindly providing me out of the goodness of their heart.
I refuse to spend money on hardware that is deliberately crippled just so that I'm forced to watch these shows when and how someone else says I have to. At least with books -- paper books, thank you very much -- I can start reading in the living room and finish in the bedroom without asking the publisher's permission.
Re:Eh? (Score:3)
Down with analog TV.
Unless you have tried it, don't bitch or you'll be a fool.
I haven't tried it, but I'll bitch about it anyway and not be a fool. I've got DTV (mainly so that I don't have to worry about returning tapes on time when I want to rent a movie), but I switch over to regular broadcast every Tuesday to get my fill of Buffy and Angel, since DTV doesn't broadcast the WB.
Guess what. HDTV and all the other new, expensive, 'better' display technologies can kiss my ass. There I am, with my snowy reception through a pair of rabbit ears, completely engrossed in the story line, plot, and character development of the only show that makes TV worth the electricity. I'm totally oblivious to the snowy picture.
Why is that? For the same reason that my kids enjoy me reading them "The Chronicles of Narnia" more than they like the Cartoon Network. A movie/show that is about telling a good story will always beat out 2 hours of eye candy. HDTV does nothing to improve the situation of the good script writers and actors. It just make the execs think that all a movie needs is something blowing up or a clearer picture of some singer's half exposed buttocks.
I go back a forth between the digital DTV and regular broadcast on a regular basis, and I can say with a straight face that I don't give a damn which I have. Just put something worth watching on the signal. At that point, the technology really won't matter.
Re:Simple Solution (Score:2)
I haven't watched TV regularly for some time. When I do, it's only for sports or news. Most of my entertainment comes from reading and the Internet, though I do buy a lot of movies. Which I will definately STOP doing if prices rise or else they start annoying me with commercials, etc.
In fact, the main reason why I do NOT watch broadcast or cable TV channels is that it's mostly commercials and marketing with a little bit of idiotic programming jammed in.
Same reason why I don't listen much anymore to popular music, it's become lowest common denominator stuff that is marketer driven.
Clearly, I think we are heading towards the point where the dividing line between the intelligent and the ignorant can be discovered by finding out how much mass media is consumed.
Re:typical /. overreaction (shafted) (Score:2)
So you thought you'd get special treatment for the early investment in HD equipment didn't you??? Well it's a special shaft through your least-preferred orifice! (more specifically, it's requiring an orifice that you don't currently have -- on yourself or your TV). You paid the extra money early on to find out that the really good content isn't going to be available to you unless you buy an entirely new box (that isn't available yet).
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Shades of Compuserve... (Score:2)
...where you paid a higher rate in order to connect at a higher speed. (Oh, and since I'm 19,200 feet from the CO don't even mention ADSL ans its pricing scheme to me.)
What's next? Art museums where you can pay a lower admission fee but you're forced to wear a pair of glasses that blur your vision during the visit?
This is the kind of crap that will kill HDTV for a lot of people. Frankly, news like this makes it easier and easier for me to justify renting movies or spending even more time just sitting in an easy chair and reading a good book.
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Does HDTV even matter if your eyes aren't perfect? (Score:2)
It's an opportunity! (Score:2)
The future should have been so sweet. (Score:2)
It appears that the media industry sees the ideal and most loyal consumers as immobile slabs of credit card enabled lard in la-z-boys, watching all the prepaid piped-in garbage (including the noxious advertisements) exactly on schedule when it's being broadcast, happily or meekly dealing with any and all obstacles the MMC throws in their way. The mere consumer should not be permitted to record or timeshift a show he already paid for; nor should the mere consumer be permitted to somehow access the precious Content outside the Proper Region. Imagine if those heathens in Europe or Asia got to see precious Content on DVD before their mandatory 8-month waiting period was up.
The future should have been so sweet. All the amazing technological media advancements over the past couple of decades have led to this point where affordable super high quality digital precision reproduction of sound and picture is available, often with greater fidelity than what was available in the recording studios just a few years back. The technology exists.
So what does Hollywood and MMCs do? They FUCK IT UP. About 1993 or so I saw an analog demo of HDTV. It was running off a special laserdisc, using a high resolution RGB projector to display the picture. It looked gorgeous, and the picture quality was stunning. I couldn't wait for HDTV broadcasts to begin and sets becoming available. Now, 8 years later ... I'm not so sure it was worth the wait.
Oh, those demo HD sets showing Barney in vivid purple and gree down at Circuit City look ... vivid ... sure enough, but where's the signal? From satellite. HBO. Pay per view channels. Schedules. You can't choose what movies you want to watch. You can just see Todays Movie. Content Packages and Crap. Barney the fucking dinosaur.
Where's the recording and playback devices? Oh, you can't have any. We the MMC don't want you to record our programming, that's PIRACY! We're not ashamed to spit our expressed contempt of your kind in your face. So no you can't record. Or playback. Or do anything. HD content will never be available as prerecorded DVD-like media, even though the technology exist, and it would be incredibly cool and convenient, because you'd just PIRATE it. So you'll just have to be content with watching precious Content and Barney the fucking dinosaur when we tell you to watch it.
Really, who'd PIRATE a HD movie? Someone with smarts, motivation and access to expensive equipment. Someone who'd have the skills to eventually hack and bypass whatever digital encryption measures you throw in their way. These people will find a way to make their HD set top boxes playback analog signals and they'll tell everybody how to do it. Sooner or later they'll find a way to build devices to record the encrypted signal and use it with a recorder to allow timeshifting or whatever. It's the way things work. Progress moves around obstacles, and eventually erodes them.
A particularly hated and obnoxious obstacle will not be bypassed, it will be demolished. The technically able will have the stuff no matter what. But "average" users of the digital media systems (who pay as much as everyone else) will suffer and have nothing but crippled useless technology.
So who benefits? MMC think they're doing the Right Thing to Protect their IP and the mere Consumers should understand and appreciate this. And Hollywood cheers. But the future is not very bright, it's littered with useless roadblocks, barbed wire and legalese. Any new Thing that comes out will have DRM and all kinds of copy protection shit and the whole culture of taking a music tape on the road in someone else's car or bringing over some old MST tapes to watch, will be illegalized and made impossible if MMC and Hollywood has their way. The only way to stop them is to not fall for the hypocrisy and bullshit, never EVER feel sorry for them, and do try to get the technical smarts - use the net, look around, you'll find ways to bypass all this crap they throw at you, like zonehacked and macromedia hacked DVD players or DAT tapedecks or whatever. You still pay for the content, but you can get to use it on your terms, which is the same right you always had with the old VHS and cassette tape systems. So in fighting the good fight you're just maintaining status quo; by letting the MMCs get their way they gain territory and they shouldn't be permitted to control more than they already do.
That is, if you still care to get the Latest and Newest thing, and use all this New Fancy Tech, because if you ask me, it's getting harder and harder to appreciate any of the precious Content. I can't watch TV anymore, it's too full of Stupid Rays and Junk. I sometimes turn on TLC for Junkyard Wars or something, but that's it. And I can only get TLC if I buy a PACKAGE with 200 otehr channels I don't watch. I'm disgusted and fed up with MMC. Yet I like movies. Old movies. Not necessarily the Box Office shit HBO plays on HDTV subscription service.
DVD is probably the Last New Thing I am going to subscribe to for a while ... ever since I got a Technical Solution to the MMC roadblocks on DVD, I've been able to watch any time I want and as many times I want any of the old movies I've collected (and paid for) from several Regions (zones 1,2 and 3), in nice quality on analog component video and I can make S-video duplicates if I -want-. It's too bad that it's still in the resolution of the Old 1940s TV standard, but the Fancy New High Definition Tech is too utterly fucked up right now for me to even consider getting into that market.
Maybe someday I can get a cheap HD set where I can playback my DVDs digitally and watch timeshifted or pre-recorded HD programming on a presumably illegal TiVo equivalent box.
Or whatever.
Why would DirectTV do this? (Score:2)
Why would DirecTV do this at the customer side when they control the broadcasting side?
DirecTV has to encode all stations via MPEG themselves; it seems perfectly sane to think that if they wanted the same functionality, they'd simply encode everything at a lower quality themselves and transmit the lower quality content.
This has the added benefit of saving bandwidth for other channels.
DirecTV already controls quality of the encoding based on the type of show. Sports broadcasts get significantly more bandwidth than the average movie due to the rapid camera movement.
It seems to me that the only reason they'd want to do it at the customer's end is if they wanted to shut off individuals. This would make sense if they wanted to charge different rates for quality.
Maybe I haven't had enough caffiene yet.
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:2)
For the record, Valenti is not an idiot. We may all classify him as an ass, but he does know what he's doing.
Anyway, as I've said repeatedly, this whole "digital thing" scares the hell out of Hollywood. Video tapes take time to duplicate and lose quality in the process. Digital is always the same series of ones and zeros. DVD's are fast and cheap to make (both content and fabrication) which screws up their economics -- 1000 VHS tapes takes a few hours to make, 1000 DVD disks can be pressed in a few minutes.
Face it, people are greedy little bastards. Technology allows them to screw you repeatedly so they do. And then they push through laws to make it illegal to try to prevent them from doing so. All they care about is their bank accounts. They have no evidence that DVD piracy is any worse than VHS tape piracy. They tout things like "billions of dollars" but fail to prove any of it -- and shouldn't they be enforcing the existing copyright laws these people are breaking?
[Personally, I think society is collapsing. There are just too many petty bullshit laws to ever enforce them all or even know your breaking many of them. I break a multitude of laws everyday -- I drive faster than the posted speed limit; I run red lights; I change lanes within 50ft of an intersection; I pass people on the right...]
The death of media as we know it... (Score:2)
Let's take a look at history: Popular media is full of images of pre-television people huddled around their radios listening to favorite radio shows. The public was conditioned to plan their lives around radio. Then came TV. This was a great leap forward as people could actually now SEE their favorite personalities. And since radio had conditioned people to plan their lives around a broadcast schedule, they had a large and obedient audience. Then came the VCR. And suddenly, people didn't have to plan their lives around broadcast schedules. Can't watch your favorite soap opera because work gets in the way? No problem! Can't watch your favorite sit-com because little Kimmy has a piano recital that night? No problem! Want to watch your favorite movie anytime you want? No problem!
Each of these technologies succeeded because they offered something truly revolutionary. Radio brought visitors into our home who would entertain us. TV added a second sensory input, enriching the entertainment experience. VCRs gave us the power to decide what we wanted to watch, when we wanted to watch it. We as a society became accustomed to being able to decide for ourselves how we spent our time. At the same time, television's all pervasive nature has somehow made it less important in our lives. How many of us live in an area where the local broadcast TV station doesn't broadcast 24x7?
And now, with the advent of digital copy controls, the content producers are once again in a position to dictate when we can watch what they produce, and even how or where we watch it.
I think we as a society have reached the point where it no longer matters; that TV has become a convenience, not a necessity. And if we are no longer able to time shift, most of us will never miss it. We'll move on to other activities. We'll find other things to occupy our free time. TV will become just another media form trying to grab our attention. The signal will devolve into so much noise, much in the same way as Usenet has reached max entropy. And we won't miss it.
In the big scheme of things, it's the media companies that will lose.
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Re:Simple Solution (Score:2)
Ever wonder why you can't do that? Because they don't have to. They want your $40 for "basic" service and it's a "take it or leave it" deal. Why do you think that the lower and middle satellite plans leave out "just one or two" channels that you would want, which ends up costing you $10 more a month despite the fact you don't want ANY of those other 25 channels extra.
If cable and satellite were sold "a la carte" they'd not generate revenue from most of the crap channels.
Re:I still don't get it (Score:2)
And because noone would bother to buy them, they bother advertising why?
Do you see how your argument falls down? Clearly someone is buying them or they wouldn't advertiser them. Walk into a video store in the UK and you can see tapes of Red Dwarf, Babylon 5, Star Trek etc etc. These videos are often on sale at the same time that the shows are being made on TV.
Logical conclusion: People are wiling to pay fair dues for a decent product. We are not all thieves and copyright infringers and don't deserve to be treated as such.
As much as the MPAA and RIAA like to rant and rave, most people know right from wrong and most people try to do "the right thing"(tm)
People use Napster because, although copyright infingement is illegal, they know that the current system is "wrong". Massive coporations soaking up sackfuls of money, using their strangleholds to force manufactured drivel down our throats, artists getting paid a tiny fraction of proceeds. The days when we all though popstars were automatically multimillionaires (They sold a million copies at $15 a piece, they must have made at least $7million right?) are gone. This is the information age and the information is that when you buy a CD, you are giving your money to liars and scoundrels.
The funny thing is that the more draconian measures the RIAA and MPAA introduce, the more they will revile people and the less willing people will be to give them their money. I used to want a huge CD collection and when DVDs came out, I fancied a huge collection of them. I now only buy second hand CDs (no, I don't have Gigabytes of mp3, I just listen to the old ones more) and one(1) DVD (The Matrix of course). I considered buying another recently but just couldn't morally bring myself to.
To paraphrase someone a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.". See which way the wind is blowing, there are the seeds of rebelion in it's infancy here.
Rich
Re:I still don't get it (Score:2)
That is true of course. But I think you clearly understand why that is no reason to penalise honest people. And the original implication was that noone would buy them since they could copy them from the TV
However, if the shows are copy-protected, then taping is suddenly out of the question, and all the folks who would have taped now must buy the tapes if they want a copy. Perhaps most will simply do without, but some will buy, and therein lies the extra profit.
But by restricting the content, you are reducing the utility of the service provided. This directly affects the balance of the cost/benefit equation. If we have PPV miniseries X with runs Monday through Thursday and I know I am going out Tuesday (or even might be going out) and I can't copy that episode then I won't buy it. Yes, I know this argument can be refuted by content-on-demand but it is merely illustrative.
On the other hand, if you're saying that as controls get more restrictive, then consumers will simply turn away from the entertainment companies, then you have a legitimate argument, assuming it really happens.
That's exactly what I'm saying. There's an army of people out there who want the convenience of "content now" at low to no cost. Now, that's a group of potential consumers. At the moment, their needs are not being met by the traditional cartels but are being supplied by *copyright infringers (and some small independents) which for some (most) people, pushes the cost too far above "low-to-no" (moral cost to high). Hopefully while the old dinosaurs are sleeping someone will jump in and find a way to meet these consumers demands and kill the dinosaurs dead. It's just waiting to happen. The dinosaurs have nothing to offer anymore. They provide poor quality content at high prices and rely on their stranglehold and the law to do it because they have nothing real to offer anymore.
Of course, nothing is certain, it may not happen, the dinosars may change and adapt to the new market but hopefully whatever happens, it will come sooner rather than later.
Rich
*I had originally used the word "pirate" but I think it is important that we get out of the habit of playing to their rules
Re:EEs - possible to bypass? (Score:2)