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Slashdot On Palm, No Wires Required 80

Posted by Hemos from the burn-up-that-per-month-cost dept.
A number of people have asked about getting Slashdot on their Palm VIIs and such -- now the people at DigitalPaths have put together a Palm Query App. Download, install, and soon you too will be able to better justify your wireless Palm bill and test your provider's capacity. The best part of the app, IMHO, is the ability to specify the amount to download, so no nasty throughput surprises with an 800-comment story. And as completely unbiased source jamie says, that makes it better than Slashdot's light mode, but "of course, a starved, feral orangutan with razor-sharp claws and a taste for blood let loose in a daycare would be better than light mode." Thanks to DigitalPaths for their work.
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  • AvantGo Channel? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Why doesn't someone setup an AvantGo channel for those of us who don't have Palm VII's? I have a IIIc and would love to be able to take my Slashdot with me

  • Re:or (Score:1)

    by jandrese ( 485 )
    Except you can't post with it. I used to use that as well, but it's a compltely one way experiance. And really, what's the fun of using slashdot if you aren't flaming people to a crisp. :)

    Down that path lies madness. On the other hand, the road to hell is paved with melting snowballs.
  • Palm has the Mobile Internet Kit, which lets you get PDQ content on any Palm. Check their website.

    --
    WolfSkunks for a better Linux Kernel
    $Stalag99{"URL"}="http://stalag99.keenspace.com";
  • Now you yuppies with your Palm Pilots don't have to miss "POSSIBLE GPL VIOLATION?!?!?!?" stories even when you're away from your computer.

  • Never mind proprietary, inflexible semi-solutions like DigitalPaths's Palm Query App (which works only over the grossly overpriced Palm VII Internet-access service). Nor do you need the equally proprietary and inflexible AvantSlow (AvantGo). How about some open-source software, for a change?

    Justin Mason's SiteScooper [sitescooper.org] and David A. Desrosiers's Plucker [gnu-designs.com] are the options that come immediately to mind.

    Both of those, and hundreds of other open-source packages, either for PalmOS or for other OSes working with PalmOS, are also carried in my repository [linuxmafia.com] of PalmOS open-source code and information.

    Rick Moen
    rick@linuxmafia.com
  • But Hemos, this is just light mode we're talking about... Not necessarily all modes. The point of Light, AFAICT, is to go as fast as possible with as little clutter. I'm in favor of any solution that will aid streaming and not require downloading the whole shebang before viewability.

    Thanks for all the work, man,
    -l
  • Here's another vote for Light Mode. I've been using it for years, and complaining every time they forget to close an <i> tag.
  • The Mobile Internet Kit [palm.com] includes web clipping for the rest of us. It requires (and includes) OS 3.5 so it's no good for IIIe users, but it works with all the other III, V and m series Palms. Palm sells it for $39.95 + S I got it for £18 (about $26) at an airport shop.

  • Errata: Orangutans (Score:3)

    by jamiemccarthy ( 4847 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2001 @02:19PM (#267792) Homepage Journal
    For the record, orangutans eat mostly fruit, leaves, bark, and other plant material and, if you had to choose dangerous animals to release into a daycare, orangs would be way down the list. The name does sound fierce, though, doesn't it?, and like all primates except our species, they do have that creepy image to overcome. Come to think of us, our species does too.

    But as you can see [photo.net], they don't really have claws (they seem to have nails, just like we do).

    They are the only so-called "great ape" from Asia, living in Borneo and Indonesia. They are endangered (duh) and if clear-cutting [orangutan.org] continues, you may live longer than this species does.

    All about orangutans. [allaboutmammals.com]

    Jamie McCarthy

  • Complaints about BLOCKQUOTE? I wonder why? That's a fundamental tag... Using UL as it is being used (i.e. without a LI item) is more likely to break browsers than BLOCKQUOTE...

    If it's the distance BLOCKQUOTE indents the text, that's why God and Tim gave us CSS.

    For wireless... I dunno. I don't have a WAP phone. I use iSilo [isilo.com] to grab slashdot.org/palm/ [slashdot.org], which works wonders. I wish it was a bit more configurable, but then I wish the same thing for ALL of the Web. Come on, XML, make all my dreams come true!
    "Beware by whom you are called sane."

  • The only way Slashdot is barely tolerable is via light mode! Grandted, it'd be nice if all the comments in light mode weren't all contained in one big honkin' <TABLE>, and nested comments were delineated with <BLOCKQUOTE> like God and Tim-Berners Lee intened, rather than the rather brain-sick <UL> tags.

    HTML hint of the day -- if you contain 192K of comments in one big table, most browsers in use today can't see bupkis until the whole mess is downloaded and rendered. Whereas, if it's not contained in one big <TABLE>, it streams out to the browser all nice like.
    "Beware by whom you are called sane."

  • The only way Slashdot is barely tolerable is via light mode!

    I agree, I always use light mode. The rabid orangutan comment more closely applies to Slashdot's default format. Yuck!

    I appreciate Slashdot and all, but damn... it's time to read up on the HTML 4 docs and hire a clued-in and tasteful designer.

  • If you look at the Digital Paths product page [digitalpaths.com] now, you will see a tongue-in-cheek apology:

    (Please pardon the random buzz words. Marketing just can't help it.)

    btw, if someone will not express themselves clearly, they are either ignorant or purposely attempting to deceive.

  • I've been reading /. on AvantGo for a while (cos no PC's are convenient to my bed or bathtub) and it's kinda unsatisfying:

    • AvantGo only DL's 2MB for all my sites combined. That leave 5.75MB on my Visor [handspring.com] with nothing to do.
    • Insufficient control over what links to follow (haven't tried the DigitalPaths yet, so I can't compare). Since most /. pages even in light mode [slashdot.org] have many links, a relatively low level of links to follow maxes me out quickly, but I have to follow a lot of links to satisfying reading.

    Here's how configure my slashdot channel in AvantGo [avantgo.com]:

    ?title=slashdot
    &url=http://slashdot.org/palm
    &max=1600&depth=4&images=0&links=0&refresh=hourly
    &hours=2&dflags=127

    I welcome tuning suggestions

    Es.
  • I read slashdot through avantgo all the time. Just create your own avantgo channel and have it sync to http://slashdot.org/palm It works great!
  • Damn, looks like my StarTac 7797 isn't on the list of supported phones. (It Can do SMS messages though... makes you wonder.)
  • Now, if just someone would come up with a good interface for those of use who are still stuck with regular palms/visors.

    Avantgo gets the job done, but frequently leaves stories hanging...and you can hardly ever access the comment sections.

    Any ideas?
  • Yeah, and ultramode does absolutely not shit!

  • Dude, that's so cool. Now I can kill time better when stuck in some gawd-awful boring place! Thanks!

  • What about WAP? (Score:3)

    by weave ( 48069 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2001 @01:13PM (#267803) Journal
    Several months ago, connecting to slashdot.org from a WAP device (like a mobile phone) produced a simple menu of stories, obviously served just for wap devices.

    Now that hasn't worked for months. What happened?

  • Are PQA files only for Palm VII's or can I use them from my Visor/Handspring? I could never seem to find an app for using the PQA's.
  • Do you realize that it's been exactly 8 months since Taco Hell [slashdot.org] has been updated?
    --
    "HORSE."
  • You can create your own custom AvantGo channel in the meantime on the AvantGo [avantgo.com] website. Login and there's a place on your settings page. It took me a little bit of monkeying to get slashdot to let me log in and what not, but it can be done.

    Mike.

  • how many slashdoters need wireless browsing? arn't we the geeks that are chained to our desks all day? and how much does it cost to browse the net on a Palm? Yes, I know, I'm PDA illiterate, but I've been assigned to give companionship to desktops my entire professional life ...

    Garret
  • == slashdot-reading bliss. I don't know what jamie's problem is...
    --
  • Turns out that the three bytes in hex) are:

    E1 EE 77

    Go figure. CT is threeleet... I mean, duh.
  • Gah...as if my Palm doesn't already go slow enough...
  • so you're going to let some corporate entity that isn't profitable yet and is still running on venture capital and willing to sell their soul to the devil to get more money tell you what content you can or cannot receive?

    i think not.
  • forget that, I change my mind.

    Their CTO is named "Linus"

    that makes everything all right by me.

  • Great... now I can have goatse.cx in my palm.... uggh

  • I see no mention of enriched integration or of robust environments. This is not for me.
  • Are PQA files only for Palm VII's or can I use them from my Visor/Handspring? I could never seem to find an app for using the PQA's.

    Downloading the PQA, synced it to my Kyocera 6035 and I logged into Slashdot about 30 seconds later. So, I think it will work with any wireless enabled device running Palm OS.

  • hm. will the /. effect take down /. itself?
    go palms go!
  • mini-fp?
  • looks like a simple Weak-ass screen scraping translation of the site. do we need all the little reminders and shit /. throws around the site? c'mon guys you do this for a living (as do i) try to put a little heart into it. dont just throw those dogs brience/everypath/websphere transcoders and the like in between the palms http input and /.'s http output.
    woo-woo you can make a http app which screen scrapes /. and does a shitty job of it. wireless design takes thought! micro-layout takes thought, not just slapping text on the screen.

    step up or step off.

  • yeah. if we're lucky $10,000 worth of 'em will have the compting power of my $700 desktop.

  • or (Score:3)

    by holzp ( 87423 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2001 @11:56AM (#267822)
    www.slashdot.org/palm

    been using it for awhile now...

  • What's the point? (Score:4)

    by RollingThunder ( 88952 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2001 @11:58AM (#267823)
    It's way too slow (text entry and download/upload speeds) to have ANY chance of getting a First Post in. ;)
  • http://wap.jcs.org/ [jcs.org]

    Serves Slashdot [slashdot.org], Freshmeat [freshmeat.net], and deadly.org [deadly.org].
  • I'd be willing to host it, email me.
  • A PQA? Waste of time. How about giving us something anyone with a small form-factor device can use to browse Slashdot on the go, like, say, an AvantGo [avantgo.com] channel. So much great content is available in AvantGo format already that anyone who's anyone already has the reader on their Palm or PocketPC, and they've got good support for developers [avantgo.com] too. Sure, it's not wireless, but until we all have 3G wireless web-browsing cell phones, it's about as cool as cool can get -- at least compared to the dead-end of PQA.

    -- Jason Lefkowitz

  • I know there are many people out there who have been using teh AventGo software which will allow you to sync the slashdot page, as well as some of the links. This makes it nice for those of us who have no need for a wireless organizer. Although most people are not going to go buy a Palm VII/x just to view slashdot on the fly, it is a very cool feature for those who already have them.
  • I infinitely prefer light mode to full slashdot. I find it so much more readable in light mode it's untrue. I'm tempted to say that if light mode disappeared it would probably mean that I'd spend less time reading slashdot. That's not a threat, I'm just stating how I feel.

    I should probably point out that I have a broadband connection so speed isn't really an issue.

    It means that I can tell if I'm logged in or not as well - if it's all black and green or whatever, I'm not :)

    oojah
    --
  • of course, a starved, feral orangutan with razor-sharp claws and a taste for blood let loose in a daycare would be better than light mode.

    More entertaining, to be sure.


    --

  • That's funny. Last I checked, Rob Malda disliked the original Slashdot PQA [perilith.com] because it didn't show ads. Does this one? Incidentally, a lot of other people liked it, for lots of other reasons (first third-party PQA, demonstrated at Palm's NYC rollout of the VII, it was pretty to look at, etc.) and I got lots of emails when I retired it a few months ago.

    You know, retired it because Slashdot has their own official Slashdot PQA [slashdot.org].

    I'm confused.

    --Vito
  • You can always use MobiReader and convert the .html to .prc i suppse...
  • Well, I'm currently mucking around with a HTML4/CSS2 version of /. in my spare time.

    But seriously, The day /. decides to up-grade, and use usefull things like CSS, is the say that MS decided to make a 100% standards complient browser.

    The cool thing with CSS, is you can compleatly control the entire site, including achived stuff, with one (or more) CSS file.
    And of course, there is no need for a slashdot, light version, since lynx and other stuff ignores style sheets. A CSS system would be godsent on a site like /.

    And when I mean, change the look, I mean everything, not just the fonts. I think alot of people think that CSS is just a font thing. But you can easly make a page with no tables, and have it look just the same, probably better. As well as put the code for the content before the other stuff, so it appears first for people not using CSS, and they don't have to scroll though the entire left menu to get to the content every time.

    But untill browsers support these things properly, people let go of old browers, and people change there web-design practices, it ain't gona happen.

  • Hey what's the deal with the "triple buzzword" effect?

    For example:

    - ... re-assess their ability to deliver timely and important data to their employees, partners and customers.

    - Digital Paths is your partner with the technology, performance, and vision ...

    But the triple buzzword rhetoric is everywhere. Look at any "mission statement" and you'll see this. These companies cluster groups of words together in "threes". It's always subject verb buzzword1, buzzword2, buzzword3.

    The other thing I always notice about these so-called mission statements is the fucked-up rhetoric. Mission statements are usually pretty standard:

    1) Acknowledge the general complexity of the current market
    2) Point to specific tools company X provides
    3) And then conclude that because of (1), if you allow (2) to be deployed, then you'll profit from (3).

    Something along those lines, anyway.

    But my question is this: do these mission statements persude anyone of anything? Or are they empty rhetoric?

    I'm also curious about the rhetoric -- triple buzzwords notwithstanding. Why use such complex rhtetoric? Why not just do the Elmore Leonard approach (an approach that got him fired from his long-time writing job as a PR person at Chevrolet) and say, "We make kickass trucks?"

    (Elmore Leonard, you'll remember, is the author of _Get Shorty_ and _Rum Punch_ among many, many others.)

    Are these statements so complex because they're simply expected to be complex? (Complexity, in other words, is how they've always been done, so we want our to be complex, too!)

    Or are they complex because they're presenting thoughts and ideas which demand complex rhetoric?

    Do these mission statements -- especially from web consulting companies, but most every company is guilty of this -- really say absolutely nothing?

  • Strange.... (Score:3)

    by mashy ( 135839 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2001 @12:40PM (#267834)
    I had just finished writing a custom PHP-parsed Slashdot page from the slashdot XML file [slashdot.org] for use with AvantGo [avantgo.com] on my Palm..

    I switched the file location in the script from a local copy to the real slashdot one and this was the first thing that showed up!
  • I made my own slashdot avantgo channel and it includes comments that are scored above 3, but i don't have anywhere to host it and run the perl scripts. if someone wants to host it, they can use it.
  • And Palm III's maybe even something that will down load the data to PC then HotSync it to the Palm. I unfortunatly live where there is not wireless and I have not sprung for a palm modem yet
  • Agreed! Except I'm using w3m [yamagata-u.ac.jp] instead. It is basically like lynx but renders tables and frames, and it is a lot lighter.

    --
  • For those of you who don't know, you can access Slashdot from your WAP-enabled cell phone using the URL "http://slashdot.org". No other prefix is required. Slashdot uses WML and not HDML, so most European and US WAP browsers should work fine. I've tested it using Phone.com's 4.0 browser on my GSM Motorola Timeport.

    Gives you something to do when you're stuck in a hotel! Have fun.

    -Pat

  • I only have desktop access to the net, but I think I like www.slashdot.org/palm even better. Less messy, much faster, no trolls.
  • ...but "of course, a starved, feral orangutan with razor-sharp claws and a taste for blood let loose in a daycare would be better than light mode."

    Sounds like somebody needs a hug.

    -----

  • There's a funny bug in Netscape Navigator before 4.75 which involves blockquote (and some other stuff, all valid HTML4):

    (table)(tr)(td style="padding: 5")
    (blockquote cite="http://127.0.0.1/")
    (p)text(/p)
    (/blockquote) (table)(tr)(td)(p)text(/p)(/td)(/tr)(/table) (/td)(/tr)(/table)

    This crashes the browser instantly if JavaScript is enabled. Maybe there are more funky bugs involving blockquote?

  • It's gone! They must have posted that just for the day they got /.ed. Very amusing though.
  • I think they are complex because they can't (or won't) get a marketing guy with the clarity of vision to say something as simple as "We make kickass trucks."

    There is no reason why this company (which makes Palm apps, for heaven's sake) can't state clearly why we should buy their stuff. It's harder to say something clear and brief, and this company was lazy.

  • Buzzword alert! (Score:3)

    by sulli ( 195030 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2001 @12:06PM (#267844) Journal
    Hey, did y'all see the Products page? [digitalpaths.com] Pretty amusing - sounds like the output of a random buzzword generator:

    The new e-conomy is growing at warp speed and companies are being forced to re-assess their ability to deliver timely and important data to their employees, partners and customers. Digital Paths' comprehensive array of industry-leading wireless products can ensure your success. Our mobile software solutions can meet your every business need. Digital Paths' server and client applications are strategic to your business. Digital Paths is your partner with the technology, performance, and vision to enable you to continue to scale and enhance your product and service offering capabilities, globally.

    Through its use of patent-pending Pathway Technology, Digital Paths extends the reach of web resources to handheld electronic devices and Internet appliances such as PDAs and the new generation of smart phones. Browse Digital Paths' product offerings here:

    1. DPWeb Server Application

    2. DPWAP Server Application

    3. DPWeb Client Palm Application

    4. DPWeb ASP Services

    Globally, I say. Globally!

  • C'mon, guys - isn't there a better option for viewing slashdot on my palm which DOESN'T require me to agree to a restrictive license?
    This Non-Exclusive License Agreement ("Agreement") is between Digital Paths LLC, a privately owned corporation of the state of California, hereinafter referred to as "Digital Paths" and the user.

    1. Acceptance. The delivery of the Slashdot PQA to the user by Digital Paths constitutes an offer to enter into this Agreement. By installing this product, user accepts this Agreement and all the terms and conditions contained therein.

    2. Defined Terms. The terms "Agreement", "Digital Paths" and "user" shall have the meanings indicated above. As used herein, the following terms shall have the following meanings: "Software" shall mean the Slashdot web clipping application (PQA). "Use" shall mean the use of the Software solely in connection with accessing the Slashdot web site on the World Wide Web.

    3. Grant of License. Digital Paths hereby grants to user a non-exclusive license solely to use the Software on any handheld computer and desktop computer. Any other use of the Software is expressly forbidden.

    4. Term. This Agreement shall be for an indefinite term.

    5. Maintenance and Upgrades. Digital Paths shall have no obligation pursuant to this Agreement to either maintain or upgrade the Software.

    6. Confidentiality. The user hereby acknowledges and agrees that the Software in whatever form is proprietary and confidential and shall not be dis-assembled or its internal workings disclosed by user to any third party without the express prior written consent of Digital Paths. User is free to copy and distribute the Software.

    7. Title to Intellectual Property Rights. All copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret, confidential information and other intellectual and proprietary rights in the Software and all derivative works thereof are and shall remain the property of Digital Paths.

    8. Indemnification by user. User agrees to indemnify, defend and hold Digital Paths harmless from and reimburse Digital Paths on demand for any claim, demand, action, liability, damage, loss, cost or expense, including reasonable attorneys fees, brought against, made upon, or incurred by Digital Paths because of or arising out of any act or omission (including without limitation any breach hereof) of user, its officers, directors, employees, subcontractors, dealers or principals. The indemnification provided for this section shall survive the termination of this Agreement.

    9. Exclusion of Incidental and Consequential Damages. Independent of, separable from and to be enforced independently of any other enforceable or unenforceable provision of this Agreement, neither party shall be liable to the other (nor to any person claiming rights derived from the rights of said other party) for incidental, consequential, special, punitive, or exemplary damages of any kind, including loss profits, loss of business or other economic damage, and further including any injury to property, as a result of breach of any term of this Agreement, regardless of whether the other party was advised, had reason to know or in fact knew of the possibility thereof. The parties hereto acknowledge that the foregoing sentence reflects an informed voluntary allocation between the parties of the risks (known and unknown) that may exist in connection with this Agreement, that such voluntary risk allocation was a material part of the bargain between the parties, and that the economic and other terms of this Agreement were negotiated and agreed to by the parties in reliance on such voluntary risk allocation.

    10. Disclaimers. Digital Paths disclaims any and all warranties, conditions, or representations (express or implied), oral or written (with respect to any and all goods or services provided pursuant to this Agreement including any and all warranties or conditions of title, non-infringement, merchantability, or fitness or suitability for any particular purpose (whether or not Digital Paths knows, has reason to know, has been advised, or is otherwise in fact aware of any such purpose), whether alleged to arise by law, by reason of custom or usage in the trade, or by course of dealing.

    11. Attorney's Fees. The parties agree that if it be determined by any court that any party has failed to perform its obligations herein, then the prevailing party or parties shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorney's fees, court costs and other reasonable expenses incurred in the enforcement of the rights and obligations set forth in this Agreement or in a claim for damages based on any breach of this Agreement.

    12. Choice of Law. The parties agree that this Agreement is to be construed and interpreted according to the laws and statutes of the State of California or to the extent Federal pre-emption has occurred, by the laws and statutes of the United States, and that exclusive jurisdiction and venue for all actions hereon shall be vested with the courts of Orange County, California.

    13. Entire Agreement. This Agreement constitutes the sole and only Agreement between the parties hereto regarding this transaction. Any prior agreements between the parties regarding this transaction and not expressly set forth herein are null and void.

    14. No waiver of any breach of any of the provisions of this Agreement shall constitute a waiver of any prior, concurrent, or subsequent breach of the same or other provisions hereof and no waiver shall be effective unless made in writing and signed by an authorized representative of the party making said waiver.

    15. In the event that any provision of this Agreement shall be held to be illegal, or otherwise unenforceable, such provision shall be severed and the entire Agreement shall not fail on account thereof and the balance of the Agreement shall continue in full force and effect provided, however, that if the severing of such provision results in a material alteration of this Agreement, the remaining provisions of this Agreement shall be adjusted equitably so that no party benefits disproportionately.

    16. Digital Paths reserves the exclusive right to and control of the use of its name, symbols, trademarks or service marks presently existing or hereafter established. Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to grant any rights for the use of same to user.

    17. This Agreement shall governed by and construed in accordance with the laws and statutes of the State of California, or to the extent federal preemption has occurred, by the laws and statutes of the United States of America.

    18. This Agreement may not be amended or modified in any manner except by written agreement signed by both parties.

  • I did some research on EM. For every time the term 'Cell Phone' pops up, replace with 'Wireless device.'

    After an early flurry of concerns during the mid Nineties about the impact of microwave Cell Phone radiation on public health, interest in the topic seemed to vanish during the late nineties and early years of the third millennium. Interestingly, this trend continued despite numerous studies in various countries which found that Cell Phone radiation had many unexpected effects upon biological systems. While connections to Cancer were found to be tenuous, short term exposure to Cell Phone Radiation was found to have significant impact upon other aspects of the mind and body.

    Following are points from a number of studies.

    Lab rats were found to have their short term memory impaired after being exposed to radiation at frequencies and amplitudes common in portable phones, markedly affecting their performance in a maze after 1 hour/day periods of EM exposure. In a second experiment designed to measure the time needed to complete a maze task, it was estimated that exposed animals required approximately one third more time than the control rats. {2}

    A study by another lab, using an apparatus which tested for object recognition, it was found that exposed rats suffered observable memory loss after EM radiation exposure. This test was done in 1994 specifically testing the effects of portable phones. {3}

    The blood-brain barrier in test animals is made permeable to foriegn substances in the blood which would not normally be allowed to pass through the cell walls of brain cells. This, according to one group of researchers, was discovered in a test where dye was injected into the blood stream of test animals and found to be absorbed by brain cells in exposed rats after twenty minutes, but not by those in the unexposed control group.{4}

    The general effect of EM on the endochrine system, (the system of glands throughout the body, including the adrenal, thyroid and pancreatic among others,) is also noteworthy. The results from a variety of studies were lengthy and, frankly, difficult to briefly document as it seems different glands react to different frequencies and power levels in a wide variety of ways, sometimes having opposite effects simply by changing the pulse rate of a given wave form. Research only scratches the surface, and it seems that the potential for further study is enormous.

    Essentially, EM radiation as spit from Cell Phones, pagers, wireless computer hardware and computer monitors does a whole mess of strange things to the human body. One researcher simply summed up the overall effect of EM on the glandular system as resulting in, 'general stress disorder'. {5}

    Delta Wave sleep patterns of test subjects were found to be inhibited after regular exposure, (one hour per day), to frequencies and power levels commonly emitted from computer monitors and in other tests, higher frequency portable phones. {5-2}

    --With a drive for faster, cheaper and higher power wireless digital equipment, the general public might be well advised to be remain cautious of the possible health hazards associated with the increased use microwave active devices and take measures to avoid unnecessary exposure.

    In the few instances where the large telecommunications companies have been challenged regarding the safety of their products, it is interesting to note that their public relations stances have been remarkably similar to those once employed by the cigarette industry concerning tobacco use. It will be interesting to observe the direction and ultimate outcome of these trends.

    References:

    2. Henry Lai, 1998. Neurological effects of radio frequency electromagnetic radiation" Presented to the Workshop on possible biological and health effects of RF electromagnetic fields. Project team: Mobile Phones and Health, Symposium, October 25-28, 1998, University of Vienna, Austria. http://pages.britishlibrary.net/orange/henrylai.ht m

    3. James C. Lin, 2000. Effects of microwave and mobile telephone exposure on memory and memory processes. University of Illinois, Chicago, IL, USA http://www.eecs.uic.edu/eecspeople/lin_ieee42_3.ht m

    4. Frey A.H., Feld S, Frey B. Neural function and behavior: defining the relationship. Ann NY Acad Sci 247:433-438

    5. Dr. Robert Becker & Dr. Andrew Marino paper, "Electromagnetism & Life" http://www.ortho.lsumc.edu/Faculty/Marino/EL/ELTOC .html

    5-2. Drumanskiy, Yu.D., Sandala, M.G. 1974. The biologic action and hygenic significance of electromagnetic fields of superhigh and ultrahigh frequencies in densely populated areas. In Biologic effects and health hazards of microwave radiation, p. 289. Warsaw: Polish Medical Publishers.

  • So is this Palm query app also going to be of use for those of us with the illustrious Handspring Visor Deluxe (now with 8 mb of RAm...ooo...aaa)? I know that if I want to upgrade to the newest Palm OS (3.5), that I essentially just have to go and buy a Palm as the OS is burnt into the circuitry of the Handspring, so I figure that perhaps this Palm query app won't work either. Any thoughts?
  • I do know that you can install programs and applications without flashing the memory however I am still slightly peeved that you cannot upgrade the OS on the li'l fellas, you know what I mean. I guess that I feel like I was dooped...

  • "of course, a starved, feral orangutan with razor-sharp claws and a taste for blood let loose in a daycare would be better than light mode."

    Seems like jamie has been getting heavily into the black and white of late, training your creature to eat at the nursery is one surefire way to turn your villagers into a shower of lazy slobs who mope around all day

  • Here is a better version for your palm (Score:3)

    by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Wednesday April 25, 2001 @01:11AM (#267850)
    Instead of using slashdots own version at http://www.slashdot.org/palm [slashdot.org] take a look at Avantslash at http://www.custard.org/~richard/avantslash [custard.org] instead.

    Its better than Slashdots own effort in the following ways:

    • You see synopsis of each of the postings on Avantslash where you do not on /palm
    • It removes all the useless gubbins you don't need to see
    • You can read comments rated 3 or above

    There are probably others but I've forgotten them now. Avantslash would have been listed on slashdots links page but I've emailed the url to them three times so far and they seem to have forgotten to do it.

    At some point I'm going to completely rewrite it so that it copes with external sites and is even more customisable. However as it is, it still is IMO better than slashdots own.

    --

  • can't we get a web clipping app for palm m100's????
    "Madness has no purpose. Or reason. But it may have a goal" -Spock
  • What would be really cool: running (a mirror of) slashdot on a palm. Ow, it exists... Now let's wait for UTMS, and I can turn my palm into a mobile warez-site :)
  • Slashdot on my Blackberry is much easier. I don't have to load any special application and waste memory. I just open my web browser and hit my bookmark that sends me to:
    http://www.slashdot.org/palm

    I have been doing this forever now.
  • WooHoo! Now I can get First Post on every story no matter where I am!!!
  • Holy Crap, I didn't know you guys posted within the articles!
    But can't you put text ads in?
  • Well, you can't really complain about being duped because it is clearly mentioned on their website on a FAQ [handspring.com]. If you are even interested in rewriting the ROM that the OS sits on, you in the minority. Most users of the handspring visor don't even know what flash memory or an OS is... So basically, I think that as a consumer, you have to read the technical specs on these things if you want to do things like upgrade the OS that lives on ROM. This is one of those things you can not learn from most reviews of the product by various companies such as CNET or ZDNET. Also, you probably won't find this type of technical information on the box as well, so your only option is to check out the specifications on the website, before you even consider buying one.
  • You do know that you can install applications w/o flashing the memory, right?

    Wow, just, wow...

  • Well, actually, PQAs are really meant for wireless Palms... if you don't have a wireless palm, you're better off downloading AvantGo and syncing http://slashdot.org/palm to your Palm/Visor.
  • I agree. Instead of paying $150+ on a wireless attachment it would be nice to just d/l all the recent stories and a few posts so I could read everything when I am available.
  • I don't know what's up, be it a pre-emptive downing to weather a slashdotting or what, but when I try to pull up the link to d/l the app, I get the good ol' 404. Does someone have a correct link here, or have I just been thrown into the twilight zone?

  • D'oh (Score:1)

    by bark76 ( 410275 )
    This is going to kill my batteries for my Palm VIIx!

  • Huh? (Score:1)

    by sllort ( 442574 )
    "of course, a starved, feral orangutan with razor-sharp claws and a taste for blood let loose in a daycare would be better than light mode."

    It's called prozac [prozac.com], jamie.
  • Several people have asked how to use a Handspring or other device with PQAs. It is very possible, and I use them on my Palm Vx and my Palm III. All you need are the proper libraries, which install like regular apps. The ones I have are v3.2 on my PalmVx running OS3.5 and were acquired through a friendly self-help website. Before I found that website, I used the Omnisky software (which flashes the ROM though). You can either find a self-help source of the libraries (search: "woggledog"), download one of the software packs for the Minstrel modems (Omnisky or YadaYada I think), or pay $47.90 to Palm for their Mobile Internet Kit software. Of course, PQAs will only be useful if you have some sort of network connection, either by an attached modem, an infrared phone, etc... I use an Ericsson CF888.

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