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Star Trek's Next Series 406

Posted by CmdrTaco
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Moogle writes "Trektoday has got photographs of the Series V cast up. They also explain about Paramount's announcement that the new series will be called "Enterprise" and have Scott Bakula in the lead role. for the full shebang" Every episode the captain and his crew will beam (surrounded by a blue light) to a new time and space where they will encounter strange new intelligence and fight them. Oh wait, that would be cool. They'll probably have touchy feely pseudo-philosophy crap and hardly any explosions.
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  • When I first read the rumors on aintitcool.com, cribbed from casting sheets months ago, I thought "This has got to be a joke. Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are running a disinformation campaign...circulating a trashy idea so that whatever they come up with will look better."

    Alas, I was wrong. I shouldn't be surprised, knowing the team that brought us seven years of Voyager time-travel/holodeck/alternate-reality/it-was-all- a-dream mindfuck idiocy.

    I wish they'd give Trek a rest for about 10 years.

    Meanwhile, it's high time for a Dr. Who revival...

  • by bl968 (190792) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:28AM (#229451) Journal
    Anyone who could play in the Quantum Leap series and pull it off with a credible character is a very good actor. I personally will be there and give the new Trek every possible chance. We didn't like TNG when it came out however for most of us the series eventually grew on us. So basically don't totally slam on this series till you have seen the first several episodes


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    When I'm good I'm very good, when I'm bad I'm better, But when I'm evil you better run :P
  • by vought (160908) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:28AM (#229452)
    Wasn't he in that bad 70's movie about a Soul Brother who gets bitten by a vampire?

    Oooohhhh...I thought you said BLACKULA!

  • by shanek (153868) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:29AM (#229454) Homepage
    I don't know what to expect. On the one hand, it still has Berman/Braga at the helm, and no one makes TV suck like they do. OTOH, the article says that Bakula has creative control and that so far they've followed his suggestions. This guy knows what being in a quality SF show (Quantum Leap) is all about, so maybe he can turn things around.

    I'm a lifelong Star Trek fan, so I'll be watching, but if it ends up being crap like Voyager was I won't be watching long.

  • by sandidge (150265) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:30AM (#229456)
    Okay, I just have to do it: "Cap'n, our servers canna take much more o' this" Damn Slashdot effect.
  • I am about tired of Malda smacking Startrek
  • by BadBlood (134525) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:34AM (#229459)
    Scott Bakula's character will "possess" the body of a different Star Trek captain each week, trying to right some of the wrongs that have happened over the years.

    First episode, he possesses Kirk's body and prevents him from obtaining an inappropriate hair weave.

    Next episode has him entering Jean-Luc Picard's body and basically has a non-stop banging session with Beverly Crusher and Tasha Yar (pre-mortem of course).

    There is a "very special" episode planned for when he becomes Janeway, but I'm not sure of the details. Possibly something to do with menstruation, but it could be anything.

  • So far about every episode of voyager and DS9 has made me want to punch myself in the testicles until I pass out. Short of Scott Bakula in the lead role (which will be interesting, if nothing else) this new Star Trek series will undoubtadley carry the time honored torch of crappieness. Urge to punch...rising...
  • by aitala (111068) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:36AM (#229463) Homepage
    Its got to be bad when RD is better than a 'serious' science fiction show (I use both those terms very loosely). And yes, I think the general public considers ST and its progeny to be the height ot science fiction. That's why the genre is doomed....
  • But he's better than Kevin Sorbo, right? Right?

    GTRacer
    - Good things come in 3's

  • by Glytch (4881) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:37AM (#229468)
    Anyone familiar with the WWWF grudge matches and the like? I think a better new Trek series would be a season of Trek versus (insert other show here) live action contests!

    Think about it! 26 episodes per year of the Enterprise being squished on the Battlestar Galactica's hull like a bug against a car windshield! Lyta Alexander exploding Deanna Troi's head in with a thought! John MacLean hiding out in Jeffries tubes, waging a guerilla war against the crew!

    Maybe even some anime crossovers, for the truly geeky. Xellos and Q collaborating together! The Enterprise encounters the SDF-1! Wesley Crusher gets a 5-second guest appearance in Fist of the North Star! And, of course, the ever-popular Starfleet Shuttle versus Taurus Mobile Doll contest!

    And best of all, HORDES AND HORDES OF REDSHIRTS DYING AT THE HANDS OF THE EWOKS!

    This could work.
  • by superid (46543) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:37AM (#229469) Homepage
    no, I didn't reply to the wrong article....this really sucks.

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  • by ackthpt (218170) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:37AM (#229470) Homepage Journal
    The best part of Star Trek shows is:

    Blasting Klingons

    Blasting Romulans

    Vulcan stuff (neck pinch, mind meld, ...)

    "I kenna mek the engines go enna faster, Capn!"

    "He's dead, Jim."

    "It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."

    Uhura/7 of 9 in those (gulp) tight uniforms!

    Watching Kirk get hit by anybody!

    CowboyNeal explaining the plot of each episode you've already seen 147 times.

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  • by CaseStudy (119864) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:38AM (#229473) Homepage

    For those of you who don't bother reading the linked article: the series premise stated by CmdrTaco in the Slashdot summary was a joke . Here's TrekToday on the subject:

    Paramount's press release did not officially confirm the next series' setting, but this news makes it all but certain that the series will indeed be set aboard a 22nd-Century Enterprise.
  • by selectspec (74651) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:39AM (#229476)
    to have one shot careers, to get bad hair pieces and expose our large guts by wearing tight spandex uniforms, to spend our retirement selling airplane tickets and selling autographs to the socially-starved pantheon of the great unwashed, and to promote a niave political punch of social commentary worthy of the Love Boat and yet firmly laced with the accademic socialist tripe that appeals to the unemployed, and finaly to boldy go were we've been for the past 30 years.
  • by Bonker (243350) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:40AM (#229478)
    Okay... Give me a second to put all thoughts of 'Quantum Leap' and 'Unecessary Roughness' out of my head. Now I'm putting all thoughts of 'Voyager' out of my head. Okay...

    Okay...

    Bakula is a good TV actor, one that I'm afraid will never really manage the leap to the silver screen because he keeps taking CRAP roles. This could be a very good move for him. That said, from what I've heard, this has the potential to be tons better than Voyager.

    What would be really cool would be if Paramount got their heads out of their asses and realized that they were writing science fiction rather than political commentary.

    Yeah, there is room for the former in the latter, but I'd *really* like to see a non-PC Trek universe when the Prime Directive was more of a guideline, female starship personell all wore skirts that showed their asses, and starship captains weren't afraid to throw down and open up the occasional can of phaser-powered whupass.

    I want to see racism. I want to see sexism. I want to see the captain of the show bag all the cute alien hotties. I want facepaint rather than creative nose ridges.

    And... like a previous poster put it, I want explosions. Lots of explosions. This is supposed to be the Star Trek equivalent of the old west, so lets get some kick-ass space dogfights going on.

  • I think one of the things that makes RD so good is that, since they're a comedy series, they don't take themselves so damn seriously. They can concentrate on telling good stories instead of trying to make "a very special episode" week after week after week...
  • by ChaoticCoyote (195677) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:48AM (#229494) Homepage

    positively dreadful.

    I liked the original series, campy as it was (and when I was a preteen). Next Generation was good most of the time, even if the crew had a moral corn cob up their collective whatsis. Deep Space 9 bored me; Voyager is/was good sometimes, but is often too much of a soap opera for my taste.

    Give me Farscape (although it's been rather dark recently), or the first four seasons of Babylon 5. Anything but forthright Federation/Earth folk seeking out new particles and human-like civilizations, going where countless episodes have gone before...


    --
    Scott Robert Ladd
    Master of Complexity
    Destroyer of Order and Chaos

  • by CaseStudy (119864) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:52AM (#229498) Homepage
    Um, no. It's a prime-numbered truth:
    • 1: Star Trek (the Original Series) - in a class by itself, it transcends both good and bad.
    • 2: Next Generation - really good.
    • 3: Deep Space 9 - fairly good, though I never got into it
    • 4: Voyager - tried to be Next Generation squared, is utter crap.
    • 5: Enterprise - should be good
    • 6: (No title yet) - some kind of cross between Next Gen. and DS9, that will be crap.
  • Yeah, there is room for the former in the latter, but I'd *really* like to see a non-PC Trek universe when the Prime Directive was more of a guideline, female starship personell all wore skirts that showed their asses, and starship captains weren't afraid to throw down and open up the occasional can of phaser-powered whupass.

    I want to see racism. I want to see sexism. I want to see the captain of the show bag all the cute alien hotties. I want facepaint rather than creative nose ridges.

    And... like a previous poster put it, I want explosions. Lots of explosions. This is supposed to be the Star Trek equivalent of the old west, so lets get some kick-ass space dogfights going on.


    You want 'Andromeda'. Yes, that show with Kevin Sorbo.

    Seriously, 'Andromeda' is Roddenberry's view of the Star Trek universe 300 years after the fall of the Federation. It's not touchy-feelie, and it kicks some serious ass. It may not be as good as 'Farscape' (which is awe-inspiring), but it's a darn good show, and a lot better than anything done in years under the title of Star Trek.
  • Forget about Star Trek and its misbegotten progeny. The best SF show on the air right now is "Farscape". Great stories, great CGI, alien sex, the works. Do yourself a favour, get SciFi channel, and watch it.

    Okay, so Stargate SG-1 comes in a distant second.
    -----------------

  • by selectspec (74651) on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:57AM (#229505)
    Bones: "Damn it Jim! I'm a doctor not a [ bricklayer | magician | raving lunatic | chipindale dancer | trapeze artist | system administrator | kernel hacker | actor | latrine steward | sex maniac ]"
  • by banuaba (308937) <drbork.hotmail@com> on Friday May 11, 2001 @10:58AM (#229509)
    The site is /.d, so here's the release's text, without links. And with slight variations in spacing. Thanks, lameness.

    After years of speculation, Paramount Pictures yesterday officially announced that the next Star Trek series will be called Enterprise, and will star Scott Bakula in the lead role.

    According to a press release sent out by the studio, Bakula will portray the physical and intensely curious Captain Jonathan Archer. "Obviously, I love the genre and am a long-time fan of Star Trek," Bakula commented. "I am also thrilled to be working on a TV series again with Kerry McCluggage and Garry Hart, a relationship that dates back to 1988 with Quantum Leap."


    Star Trek producer Rick Berman, who co-created the series, agreed. "We couldn't be happier. Scott personifies the charm and intelligence that the role calls for."

    Paramount's press release did not officially confirm the next series' setting, but this news makes it all but certain that the series will indeed be set aboard a 22nd-Century Enterprise. More information about the show's premise can be found in the casting sheet that was leaked to the internet two months ago, as well as recent pilot script review.

    Enterprise is scheduled to start shooting on Monday the 14th of May. Paramount still has not reached an official agreement with UPN, but the network is widely expected to announce the series when it unveils its Fall schedule on Thursday.

    Paramount also revealed the rest of the Series V cast, though it did not announce which roles these actors would be playing. Below is the full list of principal actors for Enterprise, as well as some info on which character they will likely be playing. Please note that the below character information is based on the assumption that the basics of the original casting sheet are still unchanged - Paramount may well have decided to change some characters during the casting process.

    Scott Bakula - Bakula is best known for his five-year role as Dr. Sam Beckett on the Quantum Leap drama series, but he has also appeared in series such as The Invaders and Mr. & Mrs. Smith. Most recently, he played the lead role in the CBS comedy pilot Late Boomers, but now that he has signed on to Enterprise that show will have to look for another star.
    Bakula will be playing Captain Jonathan Archer, a character that was originally to be called Jackson Archer. The casting sheet described him as a physical, bold personality, who unlike the Starfleet captains of later centuries exhibits a sense of wonder and excitement about the strange things he will encounter. He is said to hold a grudge against the Vulcans, who he blames for impeding humanity's progress - but with his first officer a Vulcan, he will have to reconsider these preconceptions.

    Jolene Blalock - Blalock previously had a starring role in the recent NBC miniseries Jason and the Argonauts, in which she starred as Medea opposite Jason London. In addition, she acted in the upcoming Diamond Hunters mini-series, and had a guest role in an episode of C.S.I.. The above photo comes courtesy of Jason London Online. Though not officially announced, it is likely Blalock will be playing Sub-Commander T'Pau, an "austere yet sensual" Vulcan female. She's the Enterprise's Science Officer, assigned to the ship to oversee humanity's progress. Although she's cautious and guarded around humans, whom she considers primitive and irrational, she'll come to develop a grudging respect for Captain Archer.

    John Billingsley - Billingsley is a 20-year veteran of the stage, who has said his greatest joy comes from performing in front of live audiences. He appeared in such plays as 'The Seagull' and 'The Nerd' before moving to Los Angeles, where he had guest roles on a great number of televisions shows. Science fiction fans will best remember him as Prof. Miles Ballard on the short-lived NBC television series The Others. The above photo comes courtesy of the official NBC site for that show.
    Billingsley will likely be playing Doctor Phlox, a character who appears to be in his mid-40s. Phlox speaks with an alien accent, has an eccentric sense of humour that no one quite understands, and thinks that humanity is fascinating. He has filled Sickbay with all sorts of bizarre medical instruments for his own particular brand of "Intergalactic Medicine," making even the most routine visit to Sickbay an unexpected adventure.

    Linda Park - Parks appeared on an episode of the WB series Popular this March, playing an Asian woman named Anna Lin. The above Popular photo comes courtesy of B5LR.com's AntonyF. Parks will likely be playinng the Japanese Ensign Hoshi Sato. She's described as "striking and intelligent," as well as an expert in exo-linguistics. As Comm Officer, she's not only in charge of all communications aboard the Enterprise, but also serves as ship's Translator.

    Anthony Montgomery - Generally credited as A.T. Montgomery, this actor is best known for his recurring role on Popular as George Austin. He had guest roles on shows such as Frasier and Charmed, and last year made his first film appearance in the horror comedy 'Leprechaun in the Hood.' The above photo comes courtesy of the Internet Movie Database.
    Montgomery will almost certainly be playing Lieutenant Joe Mayweather, the African-American helmsman aboard the Enterprise. Mayweather was raised on cargo ships, and as a result is more "interstellar" than even the Captain. His closest friend is 'Spike' Tucker.

    Dominic Keating - Keating is an experienced science-fiction actor, with credits on shows such as Poltergeist: The Legacy, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and G vs E. He had a recurring role on The Immortal as Mallos, and has also had a regular role during the final season of the Teenage Health Freak television series. The above photo comes courtesy of the official 'The Immortals' web site.
    Keating will likely be playing either Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucker or Lt. Commander Malcolm Reed. Spike is described as a Southerner who enjoys using his "country" persona to disarm people. He was hand-picked by Captain Archer, who is something of a mentor to him. Though he is a brilliant officer, he has very little first-hand experience with alien cultures, and will often be a "fish out of water" on the series.

    Connor Trinneer - Trinneer is probably best-known to the general public for his role as Zeus Zelenko on the long-running One Life to Live television series. However, he has also had guest roles on series such as Sliders, Touched by an Angel, FreakyLinks and Gideon's Crossing, and last year appeared in the TV adaptation of the 'Far East' play. Prior to appearing on television, Trinneer enjoyed a successful career on the stage. The above Sliders photo comes courtesy of B5LR.com's AntonyF.
    Trinneer will likely be playing either Lt. Commander Malcolm Reed or Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucker. Reed is the British Armoury Officer aboard the Enterprise, and a bit of a throwback in this new age of humanity's enlightenment. Reed is a 22nd Century soldier, "all spit and polish and by-the-book." He's also a man of contradictions - near-obsessed with munitions, but at the same time soft-spoken, shy and awkward around women.

    According to a report that appeared on Ain't It Cool News this morning, Bakula reported to the Paramount lot yesterday for his first meeting with the rest of the cast.

    As part of the meeting, the cast also took part in a "table reading" of the script. This reportedly went especially well for John Billingsley, who the site said will be playing a "distinctly alien" character, in all likelihood Dr. Phlox. There was immediate chemistry between Bakula and Billingsley, and the expectation was that the two actors will play off each other well on screen.

    AICN stated that not only is Bakula being paid a "small forture" to star in Enterprise, but he has also apparently been given the level of creative involvement he requested. He reportedly gave significant input to the script and his character, all of which were used by the producers.

    Apparently, the massively positive reaction of the fanbase when it was first announced Bakula was negotiating for the series was one of the reasons for his eventual hiring. Bakula himself is said to be very interested in Star Trek, and then especially its characterisation and emotion rather than mere technobabble.

    Now that the series has been officially announced, we have created a new Enterprise Forum at the Trek BBS, where dozens of discussions are already going on about every aspect of Series V.

    According to the official press release, Bakula will also continue to develop new projects for Paramount Network Television as part of this new deal. Together with partner Tom Spiroff and his production company Bakula Productions, he has already created TV films such as 'Bachelor's Baby' and 'Papa's Angels,' and the new deal gives him the opportunity to develop series, telefilms, features and specials.

    For more on this, please check out the official press release sent out via PRNewsWire by Paramount yesterday evening, as well as this article by Variety's Michael Schneider.

    This news item will be updated throughout the day as new information becomes available.
    Brant
  • They may start out that way, but it will be all holodeck sleuthing and virtua-babes within a year.

    That would be my worst nightmare as well. But, consider this: the series takes place before holodeck technology (ahem, remember this series' time is before even Kirk's era). I highly doubt they will incorporate it. Thank the Creator.

  • With Kevin Sorbo, you say? Being that I watch so little TV anymore, I've missed this one. I assume it's from the same writing and production staff that brought us 'Hercules' and 'Xena'?

    While Sorbo's plastic smile and perfectly toned pectorals tend to make my stomach turn, I'll check it out.
  • Voyager had the potential to be better than Voyager. When DS9 and Voyager were running at the same time, there was more a thread, and more ongoing stories in DS9 than in Voyager. The former was syndicated, the latter on a network, so I must ask: why?

    The writing and stories (IMNSHO) on DS9 finally came together in the last two-three years. Voyager never had that. It always seemed that they were getting close, then BOOM! Another Borg episode, another holo-emitter episode, another just plain bad episode... It's almost as if the writer's strike began much earlier at Paramount, and there was nobody left to polish and shape the good scripts, and pitch out the bad ones (Janeway and Chakotay devolving into Komodo dragons and having a family is an episode I will unfortunately never forget.)

    Anyway, from the spoilers I've read, the Voyager series finale will suck almost as much as the rest of the series. Hopefully, Bakula's character will do what starship captains do best: screw female aliens, and get in fights with male aliens, both to the tune of some pre-techno techno music:)

  • by DrXym (126579) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:06AM (#229518)
    1. Introduction to the crew and their quirks. Crisis requires clever use of technology to get out of a tricky situation.
    2. More character development. Crisis requires clever use of technology to get out of a tricky situation.
    3. Precocious child prodigy episode. Crisis (caused by precocious child prodigy) requires clever use of technology to get out of a tricky situation.
    4. Introduction to hostile and recurring alien species. Crisis requires clever use of technology to get out of a tricky situation.
    5. Lesser character exposition. Shore leave give the ship's librarian a chance to discover love and recover two overdue books.
    6. True mettle. Recurring enemy reappears again to threaten crew during which time one of the crew discovers courage they never knew they had. Crisis requires clever use of technology to get out of a tricky situation.
    7. Sparks of romance as two diametically opposed crew members grudgingly become attracted to one another. Crisis requires clever use of technology to get out of a tricky situation.
    8. Moral crisis as the crew wonder if they should intervene in an alien civil war, especially as one of crew is attracted to one of the rebel leaders. Crisis requires clever use of technology to get out of a tricky situation. Moral crisis neatly sidestepped.
    9. Q episode. Q causes some crisis which requires clever use of technology to get out of a wacky situation while being mocked continuously by Q.
    10. Cliffhanger. Hostile, recurrent alien species return and threaten to destroy the ship. Series ends with enemy firing a photon torpedo and the ominous utterance "Brace for impact!".
  • by ddkilzer (79953)
    The Internet Movie Database [imdb.com] already has an entry for Star Trek: Enterprise [imdb.com] with an interesting plot summary. They don't have any actors from the press release listed, though.
  • No self respecting business man would let a franchise like star trek end while it's on top. The marginal revenues generated are still far too substancial. With the introduction of new series' the producers expect to keep on the top of the revenue curve, and they've succeeded so far. It's just sad that they aren't as forward looking as to see that the residuals from continues syndication (if the shows go out on top) will be greater than if they drive the franchise into the ground with shows based on half baked story ideas, and one dimentional characters.

    --CTH

    --
  • I saw the Pilot, WAY COOL. Saw a few more episodes, also cool. But I can't for the life of me remember what it is on.

    It started out cool, kinda what Trek would be after everything collapses.

    My assessment: the show was a cheap production. The camera work was bad, most acting sucked, and the effects were worthless.

    HOWEVER: the plot rocked, the characters were meaningful, etc. I really enjoyed what I saw... you've inspired me, I'm going to figure out when it is on.

    Alex
  • Nah, he's just old. [dead-or-alive.org] Although it would be glamorous to get him back in the Tardis as a ninth doctor.

    ObJectBridge [sourceforge.net] (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.
  • by Monte (48723) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:11AM (#229528)
    What would be really cool would be if Paramount got their heads out of their asses and realized that they were writing science fiction rather than political commentary.

    Paramount and the Trek writers/creators are absolute geniuses - just look at all the posts saying "Boy, Trek sucks so bad I can hardly watch it!"

    But then you watch it. Eyeballs on screen == $$$ in Paramount pockets.

    I really can't understand why people would bitch about how bad a product sucks and then keep right on buying more of it! It's like saying "Windoze Sucks!" while you install it on your machine.

    Again.

    For the 49th time.

    This month.

    "Damn, those last 158 episodes of Trek really sucked. I wonder if episode 159 will suck too?"

    Paramount is bloody brilliant. My hat's off to'em.

    (Personally, I watch Voyager. With the sound off. And only when Jeri Ryan is prancing around in that [drool drool drool] painted-on costume. Goddamighty, how does she breathe in that thing?)
  • by 575 (195442) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:12AM (#229530) Journal
    Slashdot must be broke
    Science fiction coverage
    But not of Star Wars
  • by t_bonee (449380) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:15AM (#229532) Journal
    Meanwhile, it's high time for a Dr. Who revival...

    Dr. Who?

    Couldn't resist that one.
  • yeah but Tom Baker died.

    Jeez, you gave me a fright. Don't do that again!

  • by mech9t8 (310197) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:16AM (#229534)
    The problem is this new series is being brought to you by the same people that made Voyager... so it seems unlikely that they're going to be making the huge changes to the current Trek formula that would be needed to win back many fans.
    --
    Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.
  • With Kevin Sorbo, you say?

    Yup. There's even a scene in one of the episodes where the geek who keeps the ship running all the time says "He's like some sort of greek god".

    I'm waiting for them to meet The Mule.
    (Spot the reference?)
  • Did you just bitch about too many time travel episodes on Voyager and lack of a Dr. Who revival in the same message, and get modded up as insightful?

    :-)
  • by mbourgon (186257) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:17AM (#229537) Homepage
    They could get every big name actor involved, with a budget of $50 million per episode, and it will STILL suck.

    Why? Rhymes with "Berman". The problem isn't the actors. Scott will do an amazing job, and his only hindrance will be the crappy scripts. Someone else mentioned that they need to actually write SciFi instead of Political Commentary. AGREED.

    The problem, for a while, has been the writing. DS9, from what I gathered, finally had good writing in the last couple years.

    Ditch Berman, get some real SciFi in there, and watch it grow. Hopefully, but I wouldn't bet on it. Anyone know how many writers from Voyager will be writing for Enterprise?

    ObGoodSciFi: Babylon 5- Legend of the Rangers. This fall, hopefully, on SciFi. SciFi that DOESN'T suck.
  • by eddy the lip (20794) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:20AM (#229541)

    The basis of all truly cool technology is the recalibration of shield harmonics. Without that, Trek is nothing.

    oh, wait...

  • Star Trek's problem for Taco is that it's not Japanese animation overflowing with fan service.

    Not that I have anything against anime, I have the entire Evangelion series on my bookshelf a metre to my right. However, I do also like Star Trek, and if CmdrTaco just wants to bag it out maybe he shouldn't post news about it?

  • by iamsure (66666) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:22AM (#229544) Homepage
    The keys to good sci-fi, as I see them (opinion):

    1. Great battle scenes. LOTS of them. Explosions and death are *requirements*. Thats reality when you colide things.

    2. Politics. Lying. Intrigue.

    3. Sex, or at least the *distinct* impression and hint of it. Includes outfits (see Seven of Nine)

    4. Flawed characters with growth. Who didnt love watching Han Solo grow to accept Princess Leia?

    5. Villians we can fear instinctively. Klingons (TOS) were *plain mean*. Ferrengi (TNG) were greedy bastards that would sell you into slavery for a buck. The borg take over your BODY, and keep your mind hostage. Romulans were ALWAYS weak because there wasnt an instinctive fear attached to them.

    --

    Now, the question becomes what are they going to do that will work? Things they cant use:

    1. Holodeck - occurs somewhere between TOS and TNG, definitely after the time period this is set in.

    2. "Ablative Armor", "Quantum Torpedos", and other war tech - All came during or after TNG

    3. Borg - If the show has *any* hope of keeping fans happy they WONT appear. Picard and his crew encountered them first, WELL after TOS, and the show canon says Borg *did not* get to our space before that.

    4. Q - No. Just, no.

    What can they do instead?

    How about doing the things that geeks *love* and they havent done yet. That would be a change. Like oh, grabbing new technology, and making it a prominant part of the show in subsequent shows!

    In Stargate SG-1, the asp handgun is *really* cool, and happened after the first episode, what a concept!

    In ST:DSN, they added the cloak to the "nice little ship" worf loved so. In ST:VOY, they add ablative armor in the second (?) episode, but *never* mention it again.

    The addition of new stuff to kick aliens butts with keeps the battles FRESH from week to week. Last time the klingons almost killed us! But THIS time we have technology-X!

    I really have no idea what they could use instead of the borg. I really dont know if they can even have replicators, due to the time it is set at.

    I just hope we get to see very HUMAN dialogue and reactions. I wanna see the ship get bigger, and badder. I wanna see the captain get plain PISSED OFF. I wanna see them actually stick to the canon timeline mostly.

    But most of all, I want -- finally -- an explanation of the klingon head ridges. That was *such* a funny cop-out, and NOW is the time to address it and make fans VERY happy.

    Explain the damned ridges!
  • by osswid (451334) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:26AM (#229547)
    Star Trek should do a free format series like the Outer Limits or the Twilight Zone. Each week could focus on a different ship or location in the Federation universe. Cast could be totally fresh each episode, or there could easily be recurring characters if they got popular (including guest appearances by Trek actors from the other series).

    This would free up the creativity of the writers and let them come up with some actual science fiction , and get away from the gilligan's island/soap opera nonsense rut they've fallen into. If each episode took place on a different Federation starship bridge, it would also give the viewers the opportunity to see more of Federation space and move around without being stale or contrived.

  • by Alien54 (180860) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:26AM (#229548) Journal
    The best idea I ever heard for a new ST series was for it to take place after The Fall of the Federation. This would be especially rewarding for the fans, since then you would know what was lost, but not many of the characters would.

    This has been done with Andromeda, also based on an Idea by Roddenberry. It is an okay show, but it is missing some of the irony that a viewers knowledge of the previous civilization would give.

    If Paramount did that, it would be too obviously stealing a good idea.

    Personally, I like the idea of the Star Trek would turned on its head, with a 1000 years plus of history gone down the tubes. So that the early Federation would be like the history of Early Rome Before the Ceasars.

    but it is too good an idea to waste, perhaps ...

    Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip

  • Hate to tell you, but there can be a Q, because they have been around forever... there were several TNG shows that mentioned this, and also a book written that had Q and Kirk in it. Also, the reason why TOS didn't have cool technology like the later series did, is because they didn't have the budget. The studios thought it would be a waste of money and thats why it was cancelled after the second season. The original Star Trek didn't catch on until after they were done filming the series. I think that it's great that the Star Trek series will go on, and hopefully it will have a better plotline than Voyager.
  • Maybe his problem is that it's more of a cheesy fantasy than sci-fi, which is a lot of people's problem with Trek. I mean, don't you ever get the idea that Star Trek is written by a bunch of people who hate rational thought? Oh well, in the end, it is Rob's site, so he can post news about whatever he wants and he can poke fun at whatever he wants. It's like that whole free speech thing, or something.

  • You should have watched "Babylon 5:Crusade", all thirteen episodes of it. Big, mean starship with a main gun that smashed small planets, a crew that didn't get along, the captain having an affair with the commander of B5, space battles that looked like someone throught of the physics involved, all-in-all a great show. Too bad the network hacks killed it so quickly.
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  • by Prior Restraint (179698) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:34AM (#229562)

    remember this series' time is before even Kirk's era

    Does that mean they'll go back to the old-style Klingons?

  • Did you just bitch about too many time travel episodes on Voyager and lack of a Dr. Who revival in the same message, and get modded up as insightful? A small bit of irony there, to be sure... However, Doctor Who generally didn't use time-travel as a way to screw with the audience's heads for an hour and then smack the big red Universal Reset Button at the end of the episode, which is something that Voyager does constantly.
  • Of course, there's always the obvious grudge match... Starfleet [startrek.com] versus the real Star Fleet [demon.co.uk].

    Star Fleet would probably send the Federation running with the fantastically cheesy theme tune alone ;-)
  • What about Rocky Fi...oh, wait...

  • Has anyone else been waiting for the Voyager episode when this swashbuckling pirate, this petty dictator, this puffed-shirt Captain of a intragalatic garbage scow gets sent to the hoosgow? And whatever happened to the standards of Starfleet that they'd give Janeway a comission? E.g. Picard (due to the shenanigans of the Traveller) gets sent, crew and all, to another galaxy, and then to another universe entirely, and still makes it home in time for tea (Earl Grey Hot!) Kirk (why do all the temporal anomalies always send us back to 20th century earth) would violate the prime directive at the drop of a bra, and still managed to steal (a) a Bird of Prey, (b) a pair of Humpback whales, (c) Chekov, and (d) the heart of Catherine Hicks. Sisko, come on, Emissary of the Prophets, Captain of the most important piece of realestate in the Alpha quadrant, and single father. My fantasy: (Starfleet headquarters, New San Fran, Earth) Admiral: We've been reviewing your logs Ensign Janeway. Janeway: Err, that's Captain. A: As, I was saying, Ensign... Vulcan Admiral: Have you even heard of the Prime Directive? Jesus, I'm so pissed off. A: Did you not realize that the Maquis were are terorist organization? You gave these people battlefield comissions? Ensign, the Delta Quadrant is not a warzone. Couldn't you have made them, Jezz I don't know, passengers?
  • I think a series based on Cpt. Sulu as has been talked about would be the way to go.

    Braga and Berman rejected that idea because it had the potential to be good.

  • by zorgon (66258) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:38AM (#229570) Homepage Journal
    request permission to fwd your post to all my friends, who will rotfl.
  • Sounds like Voyager's been cribbing notes from Dallas.

    Who shot that Chinese guy?

    Dancin Santa
  • by zorgon (66258) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:41AM (#229576) Homepage Journal
    whoa nellie!
    Jolene Blalock [maximonline.com] is in Maxim Online this week. Break out the spandex!
  • It's an allusion to Quantum Leap, also staring Scott Bakula. Kids today....
  • First, I think Star Trek should go on a 10-year sabbatical. The biggest changes and improvements to the series were between TOS and TNG, and after 13 years of very slow change, I think we aught to give the series a break for awhile.

    Second, I think any new ST series aught to make blatantly non-human (CG) characters a major part of the show. Now that CG is cheap and that here in the real world we're starting to use genetic engineering to create new kinds of life, all future Treks aught to feature every kind of life form imaginable. Most good sci-fi books feature really awesome ideas (Heinlein's martians, Adams' Hoovulue), and Trek aught to do the same. If that means ditching the old Terra-centric canon, so be it.
  • So is the time master himself going to be in it? He's already been in a few Star Trek episodes -- would be a shame not to get the old team together.
  • 3. Borg - If the show has *any* hope of keeping fans happy they WONT appear. Picard and his crew encountered them first, WELL after TOS, and the show canon says Borg *did not* get to our space before that.

    What about Star Trek, First Contact? According to this movie, the Borg were in our solar system way back in the 21st Century when Humans first discovered warp technology. That would predate the new series, and possibly give the writers a loophole through which to introduce the Borg.

    OK, I'll grant you that this would be (1) lame, (2) lame and (3) very lame of Paramount, but it's not impossible.

    ObJectBridge [sourceforge.net] (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.

  • qwk format: That would be totally sweet!
  • > seven years of Voyager time-travel/holodeck/alternate-reality/it-was-all- a-dream mindfuck idiocy.


    awe, c'mon. WHen you deduct all the episodes that "never happned", it was only 3 years . . . :)


    hawk

  • by ChristTrekker (91442) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:48AM (#229589)

    The fans want Sulu and the Excelsior [startrekexcelsior.com], for crying out loud. Listen to them. Ultimately, it's the fans who pay your bills. Make them happy. Don't muck with Trek continuity.

    If Berman wanted to kill Star Trek, he's doing a good job. ST:TNG was the last good Trek, though DS9 had its moments. I don't even consider Voyager to be Star Trek. Roddenberry created something of mythic proportions with ST:TOS, and these new producers are just screwing it up.


    I have zero tolerance for zero-tolerance policies.

  • How did everyone get so politically backwards from one century to the next?

    In the 60's, Star Trek had a very forward looking way of life for the time, but by todays standards the social structure in TOS is very reminscent of, well, 1960's America.

    So in the 90's, they move it forward a century, and it makes more sense why things would be more inclusive and progressive.

    But if this series continues the trend of making Star Trek more socially progessive with each new series, how are they going to explain how things are so much more progressive 100 years before Captain James T "good ol farm boy" Kirk?

  • by Ken Hall (40554) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:49AM (#229591)
    Let's see, we have:

    1) Dynamic man-of-action Captain
    2) Young, hot, female communications officer
    3) Young African American Helmsman
    4) Enigmatic alien doctor (all right, 2 of them)
    5) Generic action-figure lieutenant (or 2)

    Is it just me, or does anyone else see "Galaxy Quest" here?

    All we need is Tech Sergeant Chen, but they didn't announce a Chief Engineer yet...
  • by Bonker (243350) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:52AM (#229595)
    Oh lordy! Somebody mod this guy up, please...

    Of course, it begs the following speculation: If prime numbered trek series are good, and divisible treks are bad...

    Trek 7: 'The Spacefight Club' - This series will be composed almost entirely of starship dogfights in space, with some minor plot thrown in to appease the critics. Alien hottie flesh will be in abudance.

    Trek 9: 'What Starship Captains Want' - Female and 'sensitive' male starfleet officers will particpate in a romantic comedy set entirely inside Starfleet headquarters. There will occasionally be futuristic matte paintings in the background depicting a futuristic earth, but there won't be any action or fight scenes.

    Trek 13: 'Starfleet Tactics' - Series written by Tom Clancy. This one will be a little more 'intellectual' than previous Treks, but will focus on political machinations, espionage, technical and scientific detail, and large-scale starship battles. Action will not be plentiful, but it will be frequent, and well written. Critics will hail it as a 'sleeper hit'.

    Treks 14-16: Will nearly bankrupt Paramount due to the casting of David Spade, Tom Green, and Britney Spears as starship captains.

    Trek 17: Will be filmed using a combination of live action, full-scale starship models that really explode, and state-of-the-art quantum computer-based animation. The series will depict a life-or-death struggle in space and on Earth for the future of humanity, with generous dashes of action, sex, comedy, and gratuitous explosions. Due to the damages incurred wiping out the City of San-Francisco with a neutron explosion for the grand finale of the series, Paramount will go bankrupt.
  • by sunwukong (412560) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:52AM (#229596)
    Maybe the beginning a long story arc would have Scott Bakula undergo some sort of transporter accident that would have him beam into and take over the life of a traveller who gets around in a time travelling police call box. He wouldn't be able to get back to his own body until he did something important like select a companion from a long list of ear splitting, screaming women ....

    ... maybe not.
  • 8a. Unknown character appears on the bridge. Character is promptly killed in a console explosion.

  • The best idea I ever heard for a new ST series was for it to take place after The Fall of the Federation. This would be especially rewarding for the fans, since then you would know what was lost, but not many of the characters would.

    I think they should time-warp into the Star Wars universe and get their butts kicked.

    "Ok everyone, set your phasers to stun." vvvvwwwoooouuuuuuhhhhh---kkksssssssccccccchhhhh (sound of slashing/clashing light sabres...and no more phasers)

    Hey, I don't hate Star Trek (I like the older ones OK), but seeing every episode umpteen times is a bit much. Is it really true there is only one master script, with some variables in it? I still remember being in the grad dorm several years ago, and walking down into the TV lounge about 8pm Friday (totally deserted) and turning on the NBA playoffs. So all the basketball nuts come out and join me. We end up owning the lounge until 1 or 2am (yeah, that _is_ a bit selfish). Funny how right at 11, a big crowd spills out of the stairwell, looks at us, and turns right around and goes back. Turns out they were the Star Trek crowd, the reruns came on at 11.
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  • Paramount desperately needs a cast to make more Trek movies. The casts from DS9 and Voyager are totally unsuitable for this.

    You can bet we'll see a string of new cast members in this outing untill Paramount feels they can make profitable films.

    They won't be getting my money, that's for sure.
  • by Croaker (10633) on Friday May 11, 2001 @11:59AM (#229604)

    . But if the new series is set in the 22nd Centuy, there can be no Borg or Q, and the technology will be crappy!

    On the other hand... this means no more fucking holodeck goes nuts and tries to kill crew episodes.

    That'll make it interesting right there.

  • > but with his first officer a Vulcan

    go fig. wonder what previously unknown vulcan ethnicity this one is.
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  • well, i was going to moderate, but i couldn't resist.

    this [concentric.net] (mirror [sickfuck.org]) is "leaptrek". it's an erotic fanfic st:tng/quantum leap crossover, where sam beckett leaps into the body of jean-luc picard. his mission? to fuck beverly crusher.
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  • hmm, just like a fungus . . .


    More serisously, the first half dozen or so episodes (with the exception of the Squire of Gothos, err, Q, and the smarmy introduction), were well done. After that, the series centered on the characters and the technologies, anc ceased being interesting.


    Captain Kirk ran around the galaxy without adult supervision, and the messes he escaped from were of his own creation as often as not. He, McCoy, and SPock were not so much individuals, but different aspects of humanity. NOt only were the programs several minutes longer, but they didn' waste several of the remaining minutes on "character development," holo-adventures, or poker games. They just told the story.


    hawk


    p.s. The damned robot sucked too.

  • ... and possible series (as mentioned in other posts):

    http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-sfc.html?2001-0 3/20/15.20.sfc [scifi.com]

    There's also a fan site with more info (spoilers on the B5 character appearing, etc.):

    http://www.b5lr.com/ [b5lr.com]

    Sci-Fi has said that the new series will launch if the movie looks/does well.
  • 1) I agree. I didnt say it was realistic. However, it does entertain, and sell. I enjoy watching Seven, I enjoyed watching

    2) I agree. Wholeheartedly. I didnt say get over-balanced. I said keep escalating, and keep getting new technology, which should be a key point of a early-time-frame show.

    3) I disagree. I *loved* the all-out battle with some 30 different races near the end of the series. What a way to go out. That was a VERY sexy battle.

    4) I didnt *ever* say less conflict. I mention sex ONCE and the rest of the post is technology and conflict, you just focus on it.

    Yes, sex is a trek tradition, but it has been watered down, and under-emphasized. I wanna see stuff like farscape and other sci-fi chan shows where sex isnt just a thought, its a yummy plotline.

    Just my opinion, which differs slightly from yours.
  • I'm just giddy that Neelix is finally GONE! Woo hoo!
  • WWWF? The World Wide Web Federation? Is that in any way similar to the W3C, the World Wide Web Consortium?

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  • I want aliens - not people in rubber suits.

    Aliens, like the Guild members in Dune, the motion picture. Like the shadows and vorlons in B5. Like the thingie in Alien.
  • by Rombuu (22914) on Friday May 11, 2001 @12:26PM (#229632)
    ...throw some money at some writers. You know, good writers. Hell, Ellison wrote for ST:TOS. I know you've saved a lot of money by having some sort of Eliza-esque computer program throw out scripts for Voyager for the past 6 years, so you should have plenty of cash sitting around from that.

    Who wouldn't want to see some episodes written by say, Bear, or Stephenson, or Orsen Scott Card. Let them go nuts... you've got a whole universe to play with that people like (well, those people you haven't alienated away permanently). Let the writers in to play with it and leave them alone. Yes, it may cost you, and yes, they may actually come up with some scripts that don't fall in the normal 5 standard Star Trek plots, but hell, given what you all have churned out for the past few years, what do you have to lose (except your remaining fans?)
  • Star Trekkin'
    Across the Universe!
    Boldly going forward,
    'Cause we can't find reverse!

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  • Andromeda=incredibly stupid.

    Except for the cute computer holograph chick, the show totally sucks.
    Okay, one ship gets "frozen in time" by going too close to a black hole. Then another ship flies in, attaches cables, and tows it out. Sorry, I'll have to suspend my suspension of disbelief for that one.
  • The new series will show a linux x86 cluster running the Enterprise (via a very customized cool Gnome desktop), and we will all grovel before the marketers like whipped dogs. But this need only be an incidental plot element.
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  • by hawk (1151) <hawk@eyry.org> on Friday May 11, 2001 @12:36PM (#229643) Journal
    >"Ablative Armor"


    Don't tell that to the pentagon--we use on tanks today . . .

  • ...I didn't think Trek could get any geekier...but Trek += Quantum Leap...?
  • by jafac (1449) on Friday May 11, 2001 @12:40PM (#229648) Homepage
    Klingon head ridges:
    "we don't. . . discuss that."
  • ah, it ought to be before transporter technology too. Or at least before transporter technology was perfected.

    (oops, turned another red-shirt inside out again. . . MEDIC!)

    Or how about before artificial gravity?!
  • by Alan (347)
    There was actually a story circulated around the late 80's early 90's on the BBSs I frequented called "Trek Leap" which was a story in where the quantum leap project somehow leapt forward in time and Scott Bakula leapt into the body of Captain Picard. It was actually a really good story, with his buddy hologram (forget his name) jumping into the body of Riker at one point.

    Like I said, sounds corny, but if you like star trek and Quantum leap, it was a great story. Anyone got a copy of it floating around somewhere? I wouldn't mind reading it again.
  • Captain Kirk ran around the galaxy without adult supervision, and the messes he escaped from were of his own creation as often as not. He, McCoy, and SPock were not so much individuals, but different aspects of humanity. NOt only were the programs several minutes longer, but they didn' waste several of the remaining minutes on "character development," holo-adventures, or poker games. They just told the story.


    Who wants to bet that McCoy will make a guest appearance in the first few episodes as his own grandfather or something...

  • Could they at least have gotten Scott Baio? [geocities.com] Sheesh!
  • The Fall of the Federation.

    Agreed

    Though it would amuse me no end that we would see see it from some far future, and part of the gist is that none would know why precisely why the federation fell. Have the Klingons become more and more like the chinese, so that they become the cultural center of a high level civilization (say, in their 5th empire, we currently seeing the 1st)) and we watch the klingon scientists at work when they find a starship encased in ice in/on the surface of a long period comet (people in stasis, etc whatever)

    or whatever. The point being agreed on is to take it well outside of the normal range of events and known history so that you can start from scratch somehow. take it truly intergalatic (months to the next galaxy)

    something!

    Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip

  • Actually, yes, I think. I had heard that this new show was supposed to be set during the time when the Federation was young and still getting started. Vulcans and Humans know each other fairly well, since they made First Contact, but humans are still young and naive in the ways of the galaxy and there are lots of other unknown races out there.

    I think this setting lends itself better to having meaningful adventures (meaningful in the sense that the TOS shows were meaningful). What the group of characters does actually has some important effect beyond just themselves. They were saving the galaxy, not just their own hides. That's what Voyager was missing, and that's why I haven't watched it in quite some time. (I think the last episode I saw was the one where Kes was possessed by that alien warlord guy. {The actress did a really good job of playing the "bad guy", and she sounded really hot doing it, but other than that it wasn't a very good episode.})

    DS9 was really awful at first, but what made it better toward the end was the feeling that something big and epic was happenning as the series was coming to a close. (The big kilngon/federation/dominion war.)

    That feeling is also what made B5 such a good show. I'm willing to give this new Trek a try, even if it is by the same dolts who made Voyager.

  • by mOdQuArK! (87332) on Friday May 11, 2001 @02:45PM (#229708)
    I wouldn't mind a decent show in the Star Trek universe, but why is everyone so stuck on having the main characters in Starfleet? Even the guy up above who had a great idea about doing a short-story style of Star Trek ala Outer Limits limited his idea to "changing to different Federation bridges".

    Screw Starfleet! I wanna merchant/smuggler/criminal Klingon/Romulan/whatever vessel, or even just a bunch of people who hitch rides all over the Star Trek universe. Maybe they'll have a mad-on for Starfleet due to bad experiences (or because they ARE criminals), and do their best to screw over Starfleet any chance they get.

    The cast could be majorly disfunctional, unlike the goody-two-shoes Starfleet members, and major stories could be written about them getting themselves out of messes that they got themselves into. Instead of figuring out a good solution, their first response is to run like hell - and if they're cornered, they maim & destroy with lots of viciousness.

    I have a mental image of a female Klingon "captain" who's drunk most of the time & regards the male members of the crew (of any race) as her personal harem (as they maneuver to avoid being left alone with her). (Maybe that's too much of a comedy...)

    Prime Directive? When there's money to be made & peaceful civilizations to exploit? It is to laugh...
  • by IronChef (164482) on Friday May 11, 2001 @03:46PM (#229730) Homepage
    There are plenty of low-tech sci-fi settings that rock. Remember Aliens? Even Star Wars had a much lower level of technology that Star Trek. In fact, the tech is the WORST THING about Star Trek, aside from the characters and the stories... oh, wait... yeah, I guess all of Trek has sucked lately.

    Anyway, the low-tech setting will force them into trying some new things. If we had a series set yet farther in the future, it would be all time-ships and glowing beings of pure energy, and who needs that crap? I want crudely-improvised antimatter weapons and women in miniskirts. I want robots to clean the floors, not paint pictures and own cats. I want ships are angular and dangerous-looking, not smooth and wimpy like some kind of alien suppository.

    Naturally I am fearful, but the news of the setting gives me hope (though it has yet to be confirmed). To have any hope of regaining its status as quality entertainment, Trek needs to try something new. This is it.
  • Personally, I'm really interested in watching at least the first episode of this show. Yes, it's a Rick Berman series, so by precedent, it's going to suck. Or will it? I don't know, I'm sure Rick Berman surfs the Web, and you don't have to do much deep digging to learn that most would-be Trekkies think Voyager is total crap. Also, I like how Bakula will be adding creative input to the script. From what I've seen on Quantum Leap, he's really quite a talented actor, and knows how to get a character across, give him depth, and draw you into the character's own world for a while. So while there's a chance that it may suck royally, I really do want to see what they've got in store for us.

    That being said, what I really want to know is how they're going to explain how technology suddenly takes a nosedive somewhere during the 21st century. There's WWIII, true, so maybe they'll play that up. ST:FC did make mention of a large chunk of the population being killed off. Still, though, if you think back to ST:TOS, their technology was pretty cheesy... They actually used an analog rollback odometer counter as one of their displays, their computer had AI capabilities to recognize and process human speech, but couldn't seem to generate a voice that wasn't a monotone Flash-Gordon/Dr.-Who-era drone. Also, the sets were boxy as hell, and had more pastel colors than the depth of suburban hell in the 1950s. I'm really curious to know how they're going to explain what happened to technology and what happened between now and ST:TOS to make space travel as campy as it was :)

    But of course, that's just my $0.02

    /* Steve */
  • by sconeu (64226) on Friday May 11, 2001 @04:11PM (#229737) Homepage Journal
    And of course, the Mule is 300 or so years after the fall of the Empire.
  • by Tony (765) on Friday May 11, 2001 @04:12PM (#229738) Journal
    Anyone else remember the elder Vulcan T'pau from "Amok Time?" I wonder if the Trek folks are clever enough to make it the same person....
  • by nathanh (1214) on Friday May 11, 2001 @04:58PM (#229750) Homepage

    The keys to good sci-fi, as I see them (opinion):

    1. Great battle scenes. LOTS of them. Explosions and death are *requirements*. Thats reality when you colide things.

    2. Politics. Lying. Intrigue.

    3. Sex, or at least the *distinct* impression and hint of it. Includes outfits (see Seven of Nine)

    4. Flawed characters with growth. Who didnt love watching Han Solo grow to accept Princess Leia?

    5. Villians we can fear instinctively. Klingons (TOS) were *plain mean*. Ferrengi (TNG) were greedy bastards that would sell you into slavery for a buck. The borg take over your BODY, and keep your mind hostage. Romulans were ALWAYS weak because there wasnt an instinctive fear attached to them.

    In all honesty, your check-list reads just like the key to bad sci-fi.

    Explosions? Sex? Star Wars??!?!?! That's not good sci-fi. Foundation is good sci-fi. Rama is good sci-fi. 2001 is good sci-fi. Star Trek is mindless drivel in "futuristic" lycra bodysuits.

    Having a Photon Torpedo and a Warp Drive does not make it sci-fi. Star Wars is nothing more than Indiana Jones in Space. Star Trek is Days Of Our Lives with tricorders.

    Entertaining, perhaps. Sci-fi, definitely not.

  • by Sabalon (1684) on Friday May 11, 2001 @07:26PM (#229784)
    Rubber suits would be an improvement for Star Trek. With one or two exceptions, almost every alien in Voyager has just been someone with a different forehead or nose ridge.

    Are we to believe that everyone in the universe has elvolved looking just like humans with a few facial ridge features?

    I have a pimple on my forehead right now - I am a star trek alien!
  • That being said, what I really want to know is how they're going to explain how technology suddenly takes a nosedive somewhere during the 21st century.

    Obviously, they're going to retcon the technology.

    Expect it to be more like the movie era in appearance, even though pre-TOS in function. In particular, I would expect the computer voice to be more realistic, and all the displays to be computerized, even if many of the consoles will still have buttons.

    I'm more interested in what they're going to do with the weapons and shuttles. Will they follow the continuity and use lasers? Will they make them realistic, or will they look just like phasers? (I expect the latter, real lasers are boring.)

    Will the shuttles have rockets and realistic manuevering, or will they have reactionless drives and fly like they're on an invisible luge like they do on Voyager?

    Also, I know we won't start with transporters, but will we develop them during the series? Will other races have them?

    Ship weapons; do we have shields? Anti-matter warheads on our torpedos? Lasers and particle beams? Kinetic weapons?

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