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Extreme Telecommuting 370

wiredog writes: "The Washington Post has an article about a company in Chantilly Virginia, most of whose programmers telecommute from Novosibirsk, Russia." Anyone out there in a similarly distant job?
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  • by NineNine ( 235196 ) on Tuesday August 28, 2001 @02:56PM (#2226404)
    The only reason this company is doing it is because they can pay the Russians the equivalent of minimum wage. ($1000/month /160 hours = $6.25/hour if they only work 40 hours/week!). There's nothign admirable about this company.
  • by Phrogz ( 43803 ) <!@phrogz.net> on Tuesday August 28, 2001 @03:03PM (#2226456) Homepage

    I went to a guest architecture lecture (my wife's in grad school) recently where the (US-bound) speaker had collaborated with an architect in Finland for a particular contest. He attributed much of their success in winning the project to that partnership; they could work almost twice as much within the tight deadline over the other competitors, trading the work off as daylight reached the respective timezones.

    My company has recently been working on a project in France which has had some of our workers colocated there. While it can be frustrating if you need answers (and they've already gone home) to have to wait until they wake up again, but OTOH when timelines were tight trading the development work back and forth more than made up for the overhead of communication.

    IIRC, No Magic Inc. [nomagic.com] offers (or at least used to offer) Lithuanian Java/C++ programmers for hire. [And not only do you get the alternate-timezone benefit, but they were cheap, too...something like $25/hour (this was 2 years ago...I dunno what their pricing is like now).

  • Oh hogwash (Score:3, Insightful)

    by FallLine ( 12211 ) on Tuesday August 28, 2001 @03:11PM (#2226501)
    Plesk is providing consumers with what they want and, perhaps most importantly, very solid jobs in a country that rife with corruption, poverty, and starvation. Those kinds of wages put each one of those 25 year old kids into the top economic brackets in their region. It'd be like handing a 25 year old kid here 150k a year salary. Anyways, Russia needs MORE jobs like that, not less.

    Save your outrage for someone else.
  • Sweatshop? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sulli ( 195030 ) on Tuesday August 28, 2001 @03:15PM (#2226532) Journal
    What about the following:

    Lomeiko acknowledged a problem with vacations. Under Russian law each employee is entitled to 24 days of paid holiday, but Plesk can't afford the disruption that would bring, so the company tries to "limit" vacations to 10 days. The work ethic here is pretty intense.

    I'm not one to crow about exploitation, but come on: they're paying Russian wages, can't they accept Russian vacations? It's not like 24 days is that much anyway, for most of the world.

  • by mblase ( 200735 ) on Tuesday August 28, 2001 @03:18PM (#2226551)
    Last year while I was on a job search, I was offered a position as an information architect for a small Chicago firm. Since I'd only worked in production up till then, I was definitely intrigued. But when I heard that all the developers who'd be working under me were located in India, I declined.

    I mean, the position and authority sounded great. But who'd want to manage a group of people halfway across the globe? Even if there were no language barrier to overcome, I'd be "managing" a group of programmers whose clock was off of mine by nearly twelve hours. We'd do almost all our interaction by e-mail, asynchronously.

    I know from having worked only in production that unless you can meet face-to-face with your immediate supervisor on a regular basis, it's difficult if not impossible to develop any cohesion as a team. I could have told those guys what to do, and I'm sure they'd have done it, but I'd never have been able to get a sense of who they were and what they were truly capable of. I'd be managing a big black box.

    Sending programming labor overseas is no new concept, and it has obvious financial advantages. But practically speaking, I'd much rather have a highly-paid programmer next door to me than an inexpensive one several thousand miles away.

  • by Gorimek ( 61128 ) on Tuesday August 28, 2001 @03:32PM (#2226636) Homepage
    Sure, the company is taking advantage of the developers, and they are taking advantage of the company. Just like any normal employment situation, or other business deal for that matter.

    The idea that it's better to give rich americans a job than to give it to poor foreigners is based on the idea that americans are worth more than other people, and have an inherent right to be the richest people on the planet.

    It is no less reprehensible because it comes from people who think of themselves as leftists.
  • by Snar Bloot ( 324250 ) on Tuesday August 28, 2001 @05:10PM (#2227095)
    You poor baby. Man I get frustrated with people who complain about their job but don't have the rocks to do something about it.

    Quit your job and get one with a vacation plan you like; or

    Become self-employee and then create a vacation plan you can live with. Bah!

  • by Snar Bloot ( 324250 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2001 @10:04AM (#2229683)
    BOOHOOHOO.

    No, I'm not going to find you a job that gives you everything you want.

    YOU need to do that. Don't whine to me, go DO IT. Or are you just one of those "Give it to me because I deserve it" bleeding ass crybabies?

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