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Linux Office Suites 331

Cowculator writes: "Sun Microsystems will release the beta version of StarOffice 6.0 in October, with the development version already available. This ZDNet article has some more details, including a link to the development version..." Other submitters sent in notes about Gobe Productive and Hancom Office 2.0, not to mention KOffice and the Gnome office applications. As far as I know all of these are lacking the single most important thing, a robust and complete set of import filters for Word, Wordperfect, Excel, Powerpoint, etc.
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  • by PhotoGuy ( 189467 ) on Saturday September 01, 2001 @04:27PM (#2243705) Homepage
    ...is StarOffice, in my opinion. If these guys can prevent MS from having the only application suite that can properly handle their monopoly-induced standard file formats, then there is *choice* in the industry. If StarOffice fails, then it's MSWord, MSExcel, and PowerPoint, for the forseeable future that will dominate business communications.

    I think StarOffice got off to a wonderful start. I'm very concerned about their progress. The next major version will really be a turning point in the industry one way or the other. If it's solid, and it rocks, with great compatability, then there is a great alternative to office. If it's buggy, or doesn't work well with office formats (especially Excel, where it's the weakest), then MS will win. And I'm going off to live on a deserted south pacific island.

    Sigh... If I had to bet, it's depressing where I'd probably put my money... Sun's dropped the ball a few times lately.

    Tip to the folks working on it: cool object oriented design is neat, but it's usability, stability, and compatability that will make StarOffice a success. Don't try to do things beyond MS Office, just match it on all fronts! Anything else is an esoteric waste of time.

    -me-

  • by jonnystiph ( 192687 ) on Saturday September 01, 2001 @04:41PM (#2243741) Homepage
    We really need import filters


    I know that this is common knowledge, but perhaps an example of why this is so fscking important will help.

    I worked as a sysadmin for the 2600 linux desktop rollout [slashdot.org] for the supreme court of Wisc. The only reason that roll out failed was because of lack of filtering from Word Perfect/M$ Word.

    If we had those filters, the Circut Courts Automation Process (a derivative of Supreme Court) would be all linux desktops. That would have been an amazing advance in the world of linux to the desktop.

  • by gperciva ( 240690 ) on Saturday September 01, 2001 @04:43PM (#2243743)
    Word processors dating back to the DOS days can read Rich Text Format. If you're sending it to a windows newbie who panicks when it doesn't say ".doc", tell him to open it anyway -- word will understand it.
  • by chill ( 34294 ) on Saturday September 01, 2001 @05:00PM (#2243785) Journal
    RTF doesn't support tables, embedded objects, headers/footers, TOC, index, etc.

    Completely unacceptable for most companies.

    Great for simple documents to retain tabs, bold/underline/italic, etc.
  • Re:Just as important (Score:5, Informative)

    by Surak ( 18578 ) <surak&mailblocks,com> on Saturday September 01, 2001 @05:13PM (#2243808) Homepage Journal
    I should also point out that the link to the "StarOffice source code" is a link to a very old verison of OpenOffice.org. Those seeking StarOffice source code should go here to get the latest build [openoffice.org].
  • by savaget ( 26702 ) on Saturday September 01, 2001 @05:21PM (#2243831)
    According to this article, the integrated desktop and probably the start button will be gone in version 6.0.
    quote

    OpenOffice, and its predecessor StarOffice, are integrated office packages and include a word processor, web browser, and spreadsheet tools. In fact, StarOffice 5.2 contained just about everything a desktop user could need, including an integrated desktop. But with the adoption of desktop environments such as GNOME and KDE, future releases of StarOffice and OpenOffice will no longer carry the integrated desktop.

    end quote

    The above quote is from the following source:

    LWN.net [lwn.net]

  • Spread-it! (Score:1, Informative)

    by manon ( 112081 ) <slashdot@@@menteb...org> on Saturday September 01, 2001 @06:05PM (#2243925) Homepage Journal
    One of the major problems with Staroffice is the fact that few people know that is exists.
    Beside, you have to get a good connection like cable or ADSL to download it in a nice, non-frustrating way.
    I don't know if you can buy Staroffice in shops in the US but you certainly can't here in Belgium.
    They should spread it like Linux is spread (the non online way), cheap CD's.
    This will be the most effective way to make it a success. People will not complain about the money, and they can make legal copies out of purchased CD.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01, 2001 @07:03PM (#2244068)
    >SO... to get to my point, we need good >filters. The KDE Office and AbiWord folks >should get together on the OpenOffice >mailing list, and work to make sure the >OpenOffice filters are exactly what they >need. There's NO EXCUSE for not >standardizing our I/O filters now.

    The AbiWord and KWord people are working together on a new generation of MS Word filters at:

    wvware.sf.net

    in the wv2 subdirectory. Note that none of the existing Word filter codebases were designed to be used as a library (though the KWord one was half-designed with that in mind), hence the need for a new codebase.

    Why not join in and help?
  • by Kiaser Zohsay ( 20134 ) on Saturday September 01, 2001 @08:36PM (#2244236)
    Actually, the last few versions of the MS RTF Spec do support tables and objects, but each version supports them a little differently. RTF is almost as much of a moving target as the .DOC file format itself. To find a "portable subset" of RTF (portable across versions of Word as well as alternative word processors) you woud need to drop back to Word 95 or so and reverse-engineer (with the spec in hand of course) from there. You also have to watch out as new versions of Word introduce new keywords to do old things (like numbered lists, Word 2000).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 02, 2001 @04:23AM (#2244977)
    That's right. I've done some business with Korean companies and quite a few of them use Hancom's products - Arae Hangul, for example, had been around much longer than Word.


    Microsoft wanted to knock Hancom out of the market by giving out 1 million free copies of MS Word (Korean version). As a matter of fact, I have a copy of that with genuine MS emblem of authenticity, provided free when I bought an IBM/LG Thinkpad there.


    Hancom countered by dishing out some patriotic marketing that more or less worked.


    However, MS pulled the rug out from under them by buying virtually all the Korean fonts, forcing Hancom to pay outrageous royalties. That pretty much knocked them out of the picture and I'm afraid MS Word, though they don't dominate like they do here in the States, has the decisive majority market.


    I've met some of the Hancom programmers and they would like nothing better than to overthrow MS' proliferation in Korea, mainly due to patriotic reasons. They're also some of the most brilliant programmers I've ever met, so their new office suite may just be their ticket.

  • by msevior ( 145103 ) on Sunday September 02, 2001 @09:56AM (#2245298)
    That is total crap! RTF does support Tables, headers, footer, TOC, index. I should know. I'm implementing these for abiword.

    Don't believe me. Put those features in an MS Word document, save it as an RTF.

    Read it back. See your document perfectly again.

    You can find full specs for RTf at www.whatisit.com.

    Martin Sevior

    AbiWord - Word Processing for everyone.
  • by msevior ( 145103 ) on Sunday September 02, 2001 @10:04AM (#2245310)
    No. Kword and AbiWord are cooperating to produce state of the art MS Word filters. We can do this because we're producing GPL'd code to match our GPL'd application. OO can't accept pure GPL code coz they need to able to integrate proprietry code.

    Cheers

    Martin Sevior

    AbiWord, Word Processing for everyone.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 02, 2001 @01:19PM (#2245624)

    Abiword for OS X is under development. Help is always welcome.

    http://www.abisource.com

    mailto:abiword-dev@abisource.com

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