VIM 6.0 is Out 585
LinuxNews.pl writes "It's more then a year after releasing the first 6.0 alpha. Lot's of improvements (i.e. you can edit files via FTP!) - check
them out on vim.org" Of course everyone knows that vim is the best text editor in the world. Anyone who tells you differently is either wrong, lying, or criminally insane. (Or an emacs user, in which case they are wrong, lying and criminally insane).
vi versus emacs (Score:4, Funny)
CT's bias (Score:5, Funny)
New feature (Score:2, Funny)
How to convince people you're insane (Score:-1, Funny)
* stand in street corners wearing a sign that says "will work to be commited"
* circle any random person and when they ask you what you're doing tell them "you're my long lost aunt and i love you"
* make friends with someone get their address and send them freaky
letters telling them that you're watching their every move etc
* run around your neighborhood yelling "they finally got me, they're coming to get you they're watching you!!" and fall down on someones front lawn
* get a stick and continue to poke someone and when they look at you insult you etc. yell "i don't want to marry you" and go hug the nearest person and cry
* pretend you're an angel stand on a corner and hold up a sign that says "a kid pulled my wings off"
* lie on a beach and when someone finds you say that you're a survivor from the titanic
* always answer in enraged song titles
* find a phone book with someone and look for the meaning of life.
* find someone and say " i am a doctor and i'm gonna find out where you live and while you're sleeping i'm gonna.....(tee hee hee") and walk away
* Use VI
(Lifted from http://www.forwardgarden.com/forward/20633
Office Assistant? (Score:5, Funny)
vim sucks (Score:0, Funny)
Real Programmers... (Score:5, Funny)
You forgot.. (Score:3, Funny)
You forgot "selling something."
Stress test (Score:3, Funny)
Only v6.0? (Score:5, Funny)
Bah - Emacs is already at version 20. Clearly this means Emacs is 333% better than vim!
Wait, you mean version numbers aren't a measure of quality? Dang!
My Choice... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Real Programmers... (Score:4, Funny)
You're all wrong. (Score:5, Funny)
From: patl@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
Subject: The True Path (long)
Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack
When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
Ed, man! !man ed
ED(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual ED(1)
NAME
ed - text editor
SYNOPSIS
ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
DESCRIPTION
Ed is the standard text editor.
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Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed because it's ED!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed /usr/ucb/vi /usr/bin/emacs
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990
Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:
golem$ ed
?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello?
?
eat flaming death
?
^C
?
^C
?
^D
?
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Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity.
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
TEXT EDITOR.
When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.
Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
?
Bah. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:vi versus emacs (Score:1, Funny)
stems from way back... it's the mother of all flamewars.
Shocker (Score:4, Funny)
Color text files! [[[shudder]]]
Re:CmdrTaco, please... (Score:3, Funny)
Let me say that again.
Laugh, it's a funny comment.
Funny like this web site: vi man [arctic.org]
Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (Score:5, Funny)
VILE (vi-like emacs)
For vi emulation of emacs, just type ":sh emacs" (without the quotes)
Screen dumps??? (Score:4, Funny)
:)
hawk
Re:Not to start a flame war;) (Score:4, Funny)
What if you're on some crusty old HP-UX machine in the back of someone's shop.
"Oops, sorry Mr. Client, I can't help you. This machine only has vi and, well, I'm just too lazy to learn how to use it. Maybe I can ftp the files to this Windows box and edit them with notepad... excuse me? Yes, certainly, I'll leave right away..."
Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (Score:5, Funny)
No, because they haven't figured out how to compress the 75 megs of diskspace a fuly featured emacs takes into the vim source, to give you that true "emacs feel".
Re:vi for emacs (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Real Programmers... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:what's the difference? (Score:5, Funny)
vi is like masturbation. It's not as good as the alternative, but it's always there.
emacs vs. vi (Score:2, Funny)
"Emacs is a great operating system - if only it came with a decent text editor."
How dare you... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Real Programmers... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:vi versus emacs (Score:5, Funny)
Call it "Infinite Debate" or something like that instead.
Re:what's the difference? (Score:5, Funny)
vi{m}? has 5 modes:
Beep mode: everything you type rings the bell
Disappearing text mode: everything you type vanishes
Flash mode: everything you type makes the screen blink, scroll, and erase
Escape mode: everything you type needs an ESC
colon mode: all your text shows up at the bottom of the screen after a :
Emacs has 5 modes:
ESC
Meta
Alt
Control
Shift- regularly
In all modes everything you type requires the depressing of more than one of the above keys
in addition to a very-long-and-verbose-definition-that-you-look-up
after 22 years of vi, I think hjkl instead of
left down up right.
Re:what's the difference? (Score:3, Funny)
Don't give anyone any ideas. I'm sure there's somebody out there with too much free time and a Lego Mindstorms kit....
Re:You forgot.. (Score:3, Funny)
Good lord... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:vi for emacs (Score:4, Funny)
I mean, the cearly superior editor is the one which can be made to completely mimic the behavior of the other, lesser editor, right?
I once tried to find an emacs reference coffe-cup just like the one I had seen for vi. It was only available in sets of 20.
+1 Veracity on the MQR standard (Score:4, Funny)
You're quite right. I don't know why you got modded down for this (Offtopic?); I suppose it's just another example of the old adage "Those that don't remember history are doomed to misuse mod points."
-- MarkusQ
It reminds me... (Score:3, Funny)
vi is [[13~^[[15~^[[15~^[[19~^[[18~^ a
muk[^[[29~^[[34~^[[26~^[[32~^ch better editor than this emacs. I know
I^[[14~'ll get flamed for this but the truth has to be
said. ^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[D ^[[D^[^[[D^[[D^[[B^
exit ^X^C quit
-- Jesper Lauridsen from alt.religion.emacs
Re:Nice to see... (Score:2, Funny)
vim is lightweight? What have you been smoking, and why won't you share?
vim is only lightweight in comparison to emacs. It ain't lightweight compared to the vi family. It's like your 300 pound rube cousin you hate to invite for Thanksgiving because you'll have to cook two turkeys, and rent a spare sofa for the bowl games because the la-z-boy ain't big enough. The only thing that makes him tolerable is that he ain't your 500 pound neighbor emacs
If you want lightweight, try elvis.
Not cat. (Score:5, Funny)
That way you don't have to do nearly as much typing.
Re:Office Assistant? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Real Programmers... (Score:2, Funny)
huh? (Score:1, Funny)
What every editor needs. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:No, 6.0 is actually out (Score:5, Funny)
Stability and easy of use are the main goals for the future.
Stability and what?!?
-Karl
America's New War: (Score:5, Funny)
Emacs President Shrub today announced a new iniative in the war on user-friendlyness; Operation Infinite Swapspace.
This can be seen as a direct response to vi's recent attacks on Emacs functionality when a flock of rabid vi supporters chanted "vi don't suck, vi is leet, vi can edit in ftp!" outside the Emacs embassy in Kaboom, capital of Afarawayistan.
An Emacs representative commented the attack with "Those evil vi-llains will do anything to confuse the issues. The fact is that Emacs can solve the Towers of Hanoi problem faster than a vi user can learn to save a file and this bugs the hell out of them since most of them don't even know where Hanoi is. We are going to find their leader /vigor/bin/laden and make him pay for this atrocity."
vigor himself just said that "Vi vill :q! them!"
The Piconian ambassador was not available for a // comment, but rumours has it that he's busy compiling evidence.
Re:Real Programmers... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:vi versus emacs (Score:2, Funny)
(and he's a die-hard emacs user)
Re:Emacs is dying! (Score:2, Funny)
I have never seen anyone in my life editing code in word. If you've seen that you've been to hell...
Not just that (Score:3, Funny)
Emacs has been able to emulate VI pretty completely for ages actually, in addition to actually doing real work. Just takes a single snippet of e-lisp.
(use-global-map (make-sparse-keymap))
There you go! Just like vi, it beeps every time you do anything, and you can't quit. :)
Re:what do the "masters" use? (Score:2, Funny)