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Posted by CmdrTaco
from the blog-yourself-silly dept.
If you meander over to Slashcode, you will notice that Slash 2.2.0 has been released. This is of course the website engine that runs Slashdot. The release has the message system, improved journal functions, new comment filters, and countless bug fixes. And of course a variety of optimizations that continue to make it possible to serve a quantity of pages that no other open source package like this can even touch :) Plus it's way easier to install. Now that we've got the Fry tree out of the way, its off to work on Zoidberg (which will include subscriptions, killfiles, and a few surprises)
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Slash 2.2.0 Released

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  • by Neutron_F1uX (534720) <webmaster@smoking-mirr o r . org> on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @01:55PM (#2533382) Homepage
    "More changes to stats report" Bug fix changes, or just changes? It'd be pretty nice if the changelog was a little more detailed. When there are a whopping 4 entries in it, you could give a little bit more detail.
  • by saintlupus (227599)
    Gee, I sure hope the new slashcode has the same rock-solid reliability I've come to expect from this site.

    *crickets*

    --saint
  • by CptnHarlock (136449) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @01:59PM (#2533404) Homepage
    If the box called "No Score +1 Bonus" became "I really wanna use my KH bonus"... Then noone could blame posting at +1 because of "forgetting" to mark the No Bonus Checkbox. Please Taco!?.. :) .. Just for the sake of it I'm "forgetting" to uncheck the box... Only to illustrate my point that is.. Err.. whatever..

    Cheers..

    • by Russ Steffen (263) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:03PM (#2533433) Homepage

      Another nice suprise would be to have posting at +1 cost a point a karma.

    • by Lac (135355)

      I believe that allowing posters to "opt out" of their +1 is moronic. The premise behind the bonus is that said poster generally posts good comments, so this one is probably good too. Now this either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, remove the +1. If it does, grant the +1 and get over it.

      Allowing an option to "opt out" of the +1 is like an option that would allow you to "opt out" of being moderated up. The feature is down-right silly. Judging the quality of a post is not the job of the poster. It is the job of the community system and the moderators.

      Just remove that option. It makes no sense.

      • Just remove that option. It makes no sense.

        Actually I like having the option. I look at it this way. I normally try to post good solid comments. But if I'm in the mood and just want to spout off and be an idiot, I post at +1 - that way the worst that can happen is a -2 hit to my karma :) Yeah its only one point. But lose 10 and you lose hte bonus - easy enough to whore and get it back. But seriously - it lets you post subpar comments at +1 instead of +2 where you're more likely to get modded down.

        Of course sometimes when I'm being a d**k and posting obnoxious stuff it'll be funny enough to get +5 so go figure :) :)

  • I mean really, we've been looking at the same interface for years. Not that there's anything wrong with the current appearance, it's just time for a change.
  • Question... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by EnglishTim (9662) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:01PM (#2533417)
    I'd like to be able to put in an URL something like

    http://slashdot.org/frontpage.pl?commentthresh=5 &s tyle=light

    and have it give me slashdot in 'light' format, with comments in the stories as 5 & over only.

    The reason for this is that I want to get Slashdot on Avantgo, but obviously I have different viewing requierments on my Palm than I have on my desktop.

    Is there any way of doing this with Slash 2.2?
    I know there wasn't in the old Slash 1.x ...
    • Re:Question... (Score:5, Informative)

      by michael (4716) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:05PM (#2533444) Homepage
      http://slashdot.org/palm/ [slashdot.org] doesn't do it for you?
      • In short, no. (Score:3, Interesting)

        by _xeno_ (155264)
        I could try and explain it, or I could simply point to AvantSlash [custard.org] and let Scott Tringali's [tringali.org] plagerized comment from Kuro5hin [kuro5hin.org] explain.

        Reproduced for the terminaly lazy:

        First of all,
        this [slashdot.org] is a great example of how not to write a Palm version of the site, and here's why. Offline readers depend on "link-depth" to traverse a site. However, their Palm version breaks each story into a random number of small chunks. So, you can't just page-down to read a long story or a bunch of comments- you have to click on lots and lots of links. A real pain. Lots of small links makes sense on a slow online connection, but it's awful when you have more bandwidth available, as your desktop PC or an offline browser.

        Additionally, it's restricted to 10 comments, not a threshold. That's boring. I'm sitting here in Jiffy Lube picking my nose, I wanna read some funny trolls and flamewars!

        Finally, using /. in "light" mode doesn't work either. There are too many useless links on the front page. I don't care about the advertising or the FAQ or all the other stuff: I want the stories and the comments. Basically, the readers I use so far have no way to "prune" sections of the tree you don't care about. This causes the site to be gigantic and not fit into the paltry 8MB of your typical handheld, or, it fits, but it so big as to detract from its usefulness.

        Finally, someone did the right thing: AvantSlash takes the page, filters out all the crap you don't care about, and doesn't break it up into a thousand chunks so it's readable.

        In order to make that usable, I'd have to pump my link depth to something like 4 in order to read the stories. Plus, for the first time in months, slashdot.org has stopped serving 403's to sync.avantgo.com, which basically killed it's usefulnes... (It was one of the first sites I tried to sync to my iPaq via AvantGo, and until today, everytime I tried, I'd get access denied errors reading it when I tried to sync.)

    • Re:Question... (Score:2, Informative)

      by crumley (12964)
      Well, the obvious answer is to have a separate slashdot user ID for reading off your Palm, and set that user to read in light mode. It shouldn't hurt too much having an extra user since, I would guess you wouldn't want to do that much posting from the Palm anyway. Of course, I don't know enough about Avantgo to know if this answer makes sense.
    • Speaking of "light" mode, here are a couple of questions/tirades:

      * I've used light mode for a long time. One of my favorite things about it was that I didn't have to deal with a lot of the extraneous crap that shows up in "regular mode". That seems to be changing, though. Now light mode nags me to metamoderate (which it didn't do before) and now also features that stupid, Mad-Libs-like "this page generated by a <collective-noun> of <adjective> <noun>s for <user>" Not only are those both completely useless, but they take up enough screen space so that I can only see one story. I have no problem with <miniscule font>logged in as "user"</miniscule font>, but the total lack of regard for vertical space in "light mode" is irritating. If these are going to be the norm, please let me disable them in my prefs.

      * Why doesn't light mode include link tags? It seems really dense that "putting mad libs and metamod nagging in light mode" was a higher priority than "putting link tags in light mode", especially since most text-mode browsers support link tags.

      One last thing (that I realized when previewing this comment): Is it too much to ask to have slashdot convert angle braces to html entities (i.e. lt and rt) when posting in "Plain old Text"?
    • Re:Question... (Score:3, Informative)

      by AntiFreeze (31247)
      This [mit.edu] is what I use. The source code is available. Quite helpful. Enjoy.
    • http://slashdot.org/frontpage.pl?commentthresh=5&s tyle=light
      I'd like to see the stupid lameness filter changed so that instead of placing spaces into the middle of long words (like the URL above), it would simply add a <wbr> tag at that spot so that the browser can break the word there only if it thinks it's necessary.
  • by BarefootClown (267581) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:05PM (#2533445) Homepage
    Any chacne one of thoes sprises could be a web itnerface to aspel?
    • Maybe its an automated database query that checks to see if the story has been posted already.
    • I've actually implemented that in a system I wrote at work. I'd be happy to release the code...

      What it does is if you hit 'spellcheck', each misspelled word becomes a drop down list of the suggestions. You then pick the proper spelling at each of these (or leave them alone if they are already right) and when you submit, all replacements are made. It's really very slick.

      The drawback with the way I wrote it at the moment is the fork to ispell though. I think there is a perl module for ispell which would work better, I just didn't have the time to research it.

  • by crow (16139) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:05PM (#2533449) Homepage Journal
    I want to be able to set my preferences to include stories that only appear in certain sub-categories (Science and Ask Slashdot) on the main page as if they were full-fledged main stories.
  • by crow (16139) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:08PM (#2533464) Homepage Journal
    I'm still waiting for the option to recalculate the point value for articles based on my own preferences. I want funny to count as +0.
    • LOL! Someone mod this +0, Funny!
    • Dotslash. (Score:3, Funny)

      by Odinson (4523)
      Oh oh oh, I want to change my prefrences to form....

      Eeeeevvvvviiiilll Slaaaaaassshhdoooooot!!!

      • Underrated +0
      • Overrated +1
      • Funny -1
      • Offtopic +1
      • Interesting -2
      • Redundant +2
      • Informitive -2
      • Troll +2
      • Insightful -3

      and drum roll please.....
      • Flamebait +5
    • by krow (129804)
      That is somewhere with one of the next couple of items I will toss in. Expect it sometime in the next couple of weeks (I have other changes that I want to go in at the same time).
    • by ftobin (48814)

      I'm still waiting for the option to recalculate the point value for articles based on my own preferences. I want funny to count as +0.

      I find it hilariously ironic that I and many others would have never seen this message if it hadn't been modded +5. By getting people going directly against the author's proposal he get more people to see it.

    • Its true... I don't come to slashdot to catch up on funny punch lines. I would much rather go here [theonion.com]. Lately, /. has become a place for people to tickle their funny bone. Its a contest for who can come up with the funniest response? I already see people lining up to repond to this post in the funniest possible way.
  • by ekrout (139379) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:08PM (#2533467) Journal
    ...Slash code has a variety of new improvements for users and administrators alike!

    For example, the new SlashTag &ltgoatsex>, which saves you the tedium of having to do all that HREF and HTTP:// stuff.
  • by Dast (10275) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:10PM (#2533479)
    Taco, I've posted this before, but I will post it again. I would be willing to pay for an ad-free, subscription based NNTP gateway to slashdot. I think something in the range of $5-10 US / month or maybe $50 US for a whole year would be reasonable, as long as there aren't any ads and it works with GNUS. (I know GNUS has a /. backend, but it sucks, sorry. I don't want to worry about parsing html to get the content into GNUS.)

    Think about it, cause there isn't anything else you could offer me that I would pay for.
    • Um, but if somebody receives an NNTP stream even a paid one, there is no technical difficulty to create an NNTP server that rebroadcasts the news.
      Maybe that's why.

      Anyway has somebody actually done that converter? I remember that when Slash was formally published as usable Open Source there were people saying it was the first thing they'll contribute.
      • Um, but if somebody receives an NNTP stream even a paid one, there is no technical difficulty to create an NNTP server that rebroadcasts the news.

        People have been viewing web pages from behind proxy servers like Squid for years. I don't believe that there's a fundamental difference.
  • The option to not add +1 to your posts is broken. I've used it on another post, and it still came in as a score of 2 without moderation.
    • I hope posting anonymously still works. We'll see real soon.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:10PM (#2533483)
    * Lose the lameness filter. It is lame. Why? Because it
    a) doesn't deter trolls but
    b) does annoy legitimate posters.

    * Separate karma moderation from comment moderation, eg. a plagiarizing post could be moderated interesting, yet the poster's karma could be modded down.

    * Kill the CowboyNeal cop-out poll option. It hasn't been funny for, oh I dunno, about a year or so.

    * Add year to (at least some of) the dates. Currently the only way to determine the year in which a given story or a post was made is to look at the URL, which is just plain dumb.

    * Improve the search. Finer details of this left as an excersise.

    * Add a link to stories that leads to the "daily issue" of Slashdot when the story appeared. Currently the only way to see the full Slashdot for a given day is, if I'm not mistaken, to keep clicking on the "yesterday's issue" link or hack the URL.

    * Expand the hall of fame to cover more top stories, say 30 or so, ten is too little.

    Other than that I'm pretty happy with Slashdot. :)

    (I like the fact how users who aren't logged in don't see sigs anymore, the ability of the Slashdot crowd to generate good sigs AND UPDATE THEM has always been a bit, um, shitty.)
    • Add year to (at least some of) the dates.

      Login.
      Go to the homepage preferences.
      Choose a time/date format with a 4 digit year.
      Voila.
    • by mosch (204)
      Lose the gzip filter too. Testing how well a comment compresses is a fucking retarded way to check if it might contain valid content. On a number of occasions I've attempted to post code to do something useful, that was related to the story or a parent comment, and it got rejected because it compressed too well.

      The fact of the matter is that most of the filters do not stop trolls, who are willing to attempt to post an obnoxious piece of ascii art multiple times, but do not stop legitimate posters who just want to share a contribution with the community. After all, who here has a job and a life, and time to refine their messages to make the slashdot retardo-filters pass their content along successfully.

      I'm so glad to see that somebody else has realized that the slashdot auto-filters are useless, annoying, poorly written pieces of software that merely detract from the slashdot community.

      • by jamie (78724) <jamie@slashdot.org> on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @03:58PM (#2534064) Journal
        Actually the gzip filter is a really clever way to determine whether you're posting ascii art or repetition.

        It's been eased up a couple of weeks ago and now catches very little except ascii art. It used to catch comments posted in the mode "Code" pretty frequently but that's been fixed as well.

        If anyone has good examples of genuine attempted comment text that trips the compression filter, email it to me [mailto] and I'll see about fixing it.

        • by denshi (173594) <toddg@math.utexas.edu> on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @09:01PM (#2535594) Homepage Journal
          Jamie, I think you're the best editor on this site, but your response is the lamest I've seen you write yet.
          "Actually the gzip filter is a really clever way..."
          This line angers me b/c it is just a one-line unsupported dismissal of a widely held viewpoint. That may have been the design intention of the lameness filter. That may be what it looks like to you from up there. But down here in the posters' trenches, the consensus is that it sucks ass. Way too many people catch the lameness filter for a short subject, or trying to be lyrical, or just having too much whitespace. I have caught it several times, and after playing with the text for a while to evade the filter, I just give up. Most people I know do. Email it to you? Sure, right after pouring one's energies into writing someing insightful and on-topic, a tiny block of perl tells one to piss off, one should feel motivated to email bug reports to a group that has grown continually less responsive to user input?? Right, he said.

          Why the continuing trend to offload debugging onto users who didn't ask for the 'improvement' in the first place? Why keep pushing code onto a hugely popular community site that only serves in Generalissimo Taco's war on trolls, dadaists, and the generally absurd? Why a gzip "filter"?? There are decades of research into fast algorithms for determining statistics on bodies of text -- any one of them, many public domain, would be an intelligent tool against crapflooders. But a 'compress and size check' line instead?? That's the worst kind of lax unfeeling code, that wields a brutal metric without regard for corollary damage. ("Rob code", I've heard it called, but "MS code" is more typifying of that style of program design.)

          I generally don't rant. You are running a valuable site at no monetary cost to us. But /. continues to become a place where trenchant technical analysis is unwelcome, master geeks ignore the pablum, and Taco & the trolls continue their little war with the rest of us caught in the minefields that they lay. Every day I feel a greater desire for the /. of 1998. I say, bring back Chips and Dips.

          • "But down here in the posters' trenches, the consensus is that it sucks ass. Way too many people catch the lameness filter for a short subject..."

            It sucks ass to have to type more than one character for a subject?

            I log every instance of the compress filter doing its thing. In the last 20,000 comments or so that have been posted to Slashdot, it's blocked exactly two attempts to post because of a too-compressible subject. Both times the poster could easily have added about one character and it would have gone through.

            And of the last 20,000 successfully posted comments, there have been exactly 50 blocked attempts because of compression on the text. (Note that two blocked previews followed by a successful post, which is typically what happens, counts for 2 of that 50.) The blocked posts are mostly things like the same link pasted in over and over, or one that was 23K worth of "... testtesttestesttesttestesttesttestest..."

            Big chunks of whitespace look too much like ascii art and are frequently caught (where "frequently" means "well under 1%"). The solution is simple: trim out the whitespace. Sooner or later I'll get around to a feature that lets the Slash code trim it out automatically if you ask.

            As I say, the code changed a couple of weeks ago, becoming much better. I am always very interested to hear about its failures, please, submit bug reports and let me know exactly what legitimate comment you were stopped from posting. But be precise. I have the debug logs, so vague anecdotes aren't convincing. And in this case, you're complaining about stuff that has already been addressed. Get with the times :)

    • I second the Cowboy Neil thing. Maybe that could be a subscriber bonus: deletion of the Cowboy Neil option in polls and result tabulation.

      If you really, really want to get people to pay, you could also allow only subscribers to filter Katz (you know, I used to be a supporter of that poser?). That seems a little mean, though.

    • Screw it. Be more like K5. If someone posts a goatse.cx ascii art (I know, probably old, but I haven't checked what the latest troll nonsense is in a while), bitchslap them. It's not fair? Who cares- we all hate each other here anyway.
  • nntp (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stevens (84346) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:10PM (#2533485) Homepage
    Now that we've got the Fry tree out of the way, its off to work on Zoidberg (which will include subscriptions, killfiles, and a few surprises)

    Wow. In just a few short years they'll have implemented....usenet!

    Just kidding, I know there are differences. Still, an nntp gateway would allow people to use their own clients, and those killfiles.

    • Re:nntp (Score:3, Informative)

      by Jason Earl (1894)

      There already is a Gnus client for Slashdot. It allows you to use Gnus scorefiles and everything. Sometimes I wonder if Emacs hackers belong to a totally different species.

  • Security? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Krieger (7750)
    Have the passwords for accounts been moved to a secure format yet? And along similar lines, what about password resets?

    I remember that these were pending problems from a while ago.
  • My biggest wish (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Reality Master 101 (179095) <RealityMaster101 AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:21PM (#2533547) Homepage Journal

    How about comment editing capability??? There's nothing worse than posting a comment, even using preview, and realize you screwed it up somehow.

    It might even be interesting to add a "previous version" capability. Just stick the message in some other dump table and have a different screen to dump them out.

    The journals have editing capability, so I don't see why normal messages can't do the same.

    • The problem with this is if you could change your comment after it was moderated. Say you post something intelligent and it gets moded to +5. Than you could go back and edit it to say "First Post" or something , and basically get around the whole moderation system.


      If comment editing is put in place, at least make it so that you can only edit the comment if it has not been moderated yet. This will allow people to make quick corrections right after they post, but hopefully avoid the abusive implications of an edit feature.

      • The problem with this is if you could change your comment after it was moderated.

        Hm; this gives rise to another idea: What if you could edit it only until it was moderated or comments were added to it?

        • Re:My biggest wish (Score:3, Insightful)

          by tb3 (313150)
          Now that makes sense. I post to a few other message boards running other code, and some of them let you edit your posts, and it does make for cleaner posts. None of them have a moderation system, however. Locking the post after child posts or moderation would make a lot of sense.
      • Re:My biggest wish (Score:3, Interesting)

        by baptiste (256004)
        So make comment editing painful so folks won;t do it. Just like you can't moderate a story you post to. If you edit a comment, the moderation gets reset to whatever it posted at (-1 to +2) plain and simple. Also to avoid lamers from editing comments to get out of -1 land (say they posted at +1), you make it so that your post has to be at its original moderation or higher to edit it (or for simplicity, +1) So 0 and -1 comments could NOT be edited.

        OR even simpler. Any comment at -1 or 0 could be edited at its current moderation - who cares? Any comment at +1 or higher will automatically get set to +1 when edited to start over. Easy enough and hard to abuse.

        So for the word problem challenged:

        sub edit_submit { if current_moderation > 1 { moderation = 1 } }

        Easy enough!

  • Four suggestions.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by update() (217397) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:23PM (#2533560) Homepage
    First of all, the new code seems to be working well. Availability and response time has been much better than before. (Bender code was in place on September 11, right? I was amazed at how well the system held up.)

    Four suggestions -- three of which should be easy and the fourth is harder:

    • The hard one -- I'd love the ability to go back and revise posts for typos or even delete them if I realize I've said something false.
    • Moderation by editors should be noted as such. This would reduce (or confirm) a lot of the conspiracy theories around here.
    • I'll also agree that the +1 bonus should be off by default.
    • How about a lameness filter against HTML posts where more than 30% of the displayed text is formatted? This would help out people who forget to close a tag and don't bother to preview, and reduce readability problems caused by people who want to use all bold. (In a related vein, does the Code option for post formatting do anything but generate unreadable posts? If people want to post code, let them use HTML.)
    • by FortKnox (169099) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:57PM (#2533756) Homepage Journal
      The hard one -- I'd love the ability to go back and revise posts for typos or even delete them if I realize I've said something false.

      The abuse for "modified" comments would be immense (ie - whore to +5 quickly to be on top of the comments, then change all your links to goatse). Deletion isn't, though. I like that idea (although what happens to mods and replied?).

      Moderation by editors should be noted as such. This would reduce (or confirm) a lot of the conspiracy theories around here

      Yeah, like michael would agree to that (I'm teasin michael... don't mod me down!) ;-)
      I don't think editors should have mod points at all! Unlimited mod points *DESTROY* the moderation system by definition. They should trust in the system they designed!!

      I'll also agree that the +1 bonus should be off by default.

      I think majority will rule, and this one come in effect quickly.

      How about a lameness filter against HTML posts where more than 30% of the displayed text is formatted? This would help out people who forget to close a tag and don't bother to preview, and reduce readability problems caused by people who want to use all bold. (In a related vein, does the Code option for post formatting do anything but generate unreadable posts? If people want to post code, let them use HTML.)

      How about killing the lameness filter altogether?
      We all hate it, and it doesn't stop the trolling. Plus, isn't it a form of *censoring* (gasp!)??
      Honestly, my only suggestion (both for comments AND articles) is to have the terminator of every type of valid HTML tag forced at the end (already done on comments). This will prevent bleeding of comments (and no more "Close you italics flag!" comments).
      • by athakur999 (44340)
        The abuse for "modified" comments would be immense
        Allowing deletion only if the post hasn't been replied to or moderated would be compromise. Since most of the "doh, I wish I could edit this" probably fall in the "oops, I misspelled something" or the "I forgot to preview" category, the author will catch these pretty quickly and be able to do something about it.
      • Simply reset ann edited comment's moderation to +1 if it is already at +1 or higher. If its at 0 or -1 leave it at that moderation level - no biggie.
  • Spell Checker? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Christianfreak (100697) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:24PM (#2533563) Homepage Journal
    I mean there's been a perl mod for ispell for a long time now. How about incorporating it in? That would certainly help both users and administrators.
    • Re:Spell Checker? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Calle Ballz (238584)
      One think I have learned about any technical conversation is that they kill spell checkers. I set my outlook (I don't choose my software) at work to automatically check for spelling errors before I send it out and initially I found myself adding TONS of new words for spellcheck to ignore. It's been a year, and it's still trying to correct various technical terms, acronyms, abbreviations & such. On slashdot I think it would mostly be a pain in the neck trying to post, unless you could choose to use it or whatever.

      I can read past misspellings anyways, 99% of the time. I am not like the grammer trolls who feel it is their duty to give everyone a language lesson, I just say give it a break... no one is perfect and not everyone has a degree in literature.
    • If you are not a good speller, try this:

      http://freefall.homeip.net/stuff/spellcheck/ [homeip.net]

      Be warned that this is VERY SIMPLE. You CAN hurt yourself if there is, something bad in the stuff you are spell checking (although unless there is a " before it, you are probably safe).

    • Here's a link [clarkson.edu] to OmniWeb [omnigroup.com]
      on Mac OS X checking the speeling of a post as it's typed.

    • I hacked in a spell checker for free (as in beer). You can read the Slashcode story [slashcode.com] or test it out at TivoNews.com [tivonews.com].

      Joseph Elwell.

  • in my Slashbox.

    I need more room in my Slashbox. This way I can log into /. from anywhere and go to my fave places that aren't /.!
  • by Erik Hensema (12898) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @02:48PM (#2533702) Homepage
    I'd like to see the score of an article at the time the moderation I'm metamoderating was done.

    A slightly interesting post at +3 shouldn't be awarded yet another point, so in that case an 'interesting' moderation would be unfair.

    Currently you only see the comment and think 'hey, interesting' and you'd M2 it as fair.

    And please dump the over/underrated moderations. They're only used to dodge M2.
  • How about killing that 20 second timer? That's pretty lame...

    And under certain browsers (*cringe*IE5.5*cringe), when you hit the back button, you've lost what you typed if you blow the 20 second filter.

    I also think that adding a new story type "Poll" along the lines of Ask Slashdot would be nice (for user suggested polls).
  • by Swaffs (470184)
    "Now that we've got the Fry tree out of the way, its off to work on Zoidberg (which will include subscriptions, killfiles, and a few surprises)"

    The rest of the world calls these surprises "bugs". Except Microsoft, who calls them "features".

  • by Skyshadow (508) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @03:10PM (#2533830) Homepage
    I've been thinking about this off and on ever since I heard that Taco was going to institute subscriptions: Would I pay for Slashdot?

    In favor: I've used and enjoyed Slashdot for a very long time. I'm not concerned about privacy issues involving my email address, so that's not a worry for me. I know that a lot of hard work has been done to keep this service running for me to enjoy, and I know that the upkeep costs a lot. I know that the reality of the web is different now than it was.

    Convincing, but against: I, and all the other posters, experts, flamers, trolls and etc. are what make Slashdot even basically interesting. The stories alone I can get anywhere -- it's the posts that are semi-interesting. When I pay for a subscription to Salon, I'm paying to get content I enjoy. If I were to pay for Slashdot, even just to get ride of ads, I feel like I'd be paying for something I help make happen.

    All that said: I'll pay for Slashdot. The reason is that, all philosophical problems aside, I know that economic realities are forcing this thing in. I'll miss the free Slashdot, but even a subscriber-friendly Slashdot is better than no Slashdot at all (what would I *do* with my days?).

    In return, I'd really, really like to see a more intelligent basis for story selection. I *miss* that Slashdot from three years ago where the stories were mostly tech-oriented and not just another excuse to flame Katz or diss Microsoft. I want to see real efforts to improve the signal to noise ratio without stomping on unpopular views (like moderation tends to). Maybe it's not possible to go back to that, but I'd like to see some effort made to try.

  • by yardbird (165009) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @03:18PM (#2533873) Homepage
    Two quick suggestions:

    Enable me to have separate comment viewing prefs for when I'm a moderator. Changing them back and forth is annoying. Plus then they could be set automatically to more socially responsible defaults.

    If a comment below my threshold has a child which is above my threshold, I think that should be clearer; ideally, in between the visible grandparent and the visible child should be a link to the invisible parent.

    • If a comment below my threshold has a child which is above my threshold, I think that should be clearer; ideally, in between the visible grandparent and the visible child should be a link to the invisible parent.

      Try putting your Threshold to zero, your Highlight Threshold to +3 (or whatever) and your Spill to something like 1. Works for me...
  • Subscriptions? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by hutchy (31659)
    The moment it costs more than $0.00 for any content on /. I for one will no longer be a reader of Slashdot. The next we know it VA software will pull up the leash, and slashcode will become proprietary
  • I only wish for one thing:

    An easy way on the main page to scroll back through previous stories.

    This could be as simple as an "Older stories..." link or as "complicated" as separators between days and something like a "Monday's stories" link.

    If I miss a day or two, I always have to fiddle with the slashboxes to scroll back through the stories. This is a simple UI fix and would greatly increase usability.

  • Stylesheets (Score:5, Interesting)

    by NutscrapeSucks (446616) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @04:09PM (#2534133)
    Nobody else has mentioned it, and it's my pet peeve, so I'll throw it in there -- I would love to have nice clean XHTML or XML that could be formatted with stylesheets (CSS or XSLT) on the client-side. Now that Mozilla is out there, this should be politically acceptable.

    This could potentially reduce serverload quite a bit -- not only would you be spitting out far less bandwidth per page, but things like score filtering could be done on the clientside instead of requiring another roundtrip to the server.

    You could even invent your own killfile, highlighting, light-mode, and score biasing schemes. Slashdot could use a default stylesheet, and then host user-submitted ones. Removing all the presentation goop would probably make NNTP/Gopher/whatever gateways easier to implement too. This would also have the positive aspect of pushing off most of the minor bitches back onto the userbase.
  • by DahGhostfacedFiddlah (470393) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @04:12PM (#2534150) Homepage
    An anonymous post by a logged-in user should be treated exactly the same as a regular post. It should include any +1 bonuses and affect karma. If only unregistered ACs were rated at 0, I'd have less qualms about missing something browsing at +1.
  • And of course a variety of optimizations that continue to make it possible to serve a quantity of pages that no other open source package like this can even touch :)

    I am insulted, chagrined, annoyed, disturbed, perturbed, dismayed, aghast, and perhaps even indignant at this shocking act of arrogance, Mr. Taco! Shame on you, sir. Shame shame shame!

  • by Pinball Wizard (161942) on Wednesday November 07, 2001 @04:19PM (#2534185) Homepage Journal
    It seems as if there are two different versions of GPL/Open Source development. One is where the project is open to anyone capable enough to contribute to it. Mozilla and KDE are examples of this. The other is where the development, while open to suggestions, is tightly controlled.


    Slashcode seems to fall into the second camp. There doesn't seem to be a wide variety of people who have contributed, rather the credit is purely to CmdrTaco and friends.


    Instead of doing all the work yourselves, why not have a todo list and let others make contributions to the project, rather than just implementing suggestions?

  • How about updating the lameness filter?

    Instead of adding a space to the middle of long words, why not just add a <wbr> tag so that the browser can decide whether or not it needs to actually break the word at that spot?

    There are too many times when someone posts a URL in a comment, and I can't simply cut & paste because the lame filter has put a space in the middle of it!

  • Warning! (Score:2, Funny)

    by RageMachine (533546)
    This release contains a security flaw. This flaw will not be revlealed in the ChangeLog, and is protected under the DMCA!
  • Commander Taco wrote that Slashcode contains

    a variety of optimizations that continue to make it possible to serve a quantity of pages that no other open source package
    like this can even touch :) [emphasis added]

    I am not an expert on improving the scalability of web applications (especially those written in Perl, as is Slashcode), but, from what I read, I understand that Java generally scales much better, especially when it has been tweaked for that purpose. Recently, an open source discussion board (written in Java) appeared that its creators say is one of the most scalable on the planet: Jive [jivesoftware.com]. Even in Jive's old, version 1.24 form, it was so scalable that Sun Microsystems decided to use it as its main web discussion software, replacing discussion software that they had written themselves (in Java). Sun employee Eric Larson [sun.com] wrote (in article's [sun.com] last paragraph) that

    Jive has proven itself at Sun by supporting 94 forums with more than 358,000 messages, and about 2 million users. And the current infrastructure is not even close to capacity. As more developers try the software and contribute to the project, Jive's success will only continue.

    Jive's developers swear that it can serve a million page views per day without a problem. On the other hand, Jive doesn't support the posting of news items in a manner similar to Slashcode. Maybe that's what Taco meant when he wrote "like this" (above). Of course, the open source developers at Meinds [sourceforge.net] may decide to alter the Jive source to permit the posting of news items. Then Slashcode might have been bested in terms of features as well as scalability.

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