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Wired on Autism in the Valley 861

digaman writes: "The December issue of Wired magazine contains an article of mine on what appears to be an upsurge in autism among the children of programmers and engineers in Silicon Valley: "The Geek Syndrome." A complicated issue, explored in depth. I hear the California Department of Developmental Services is launching a research project to investigate the questions raised in the article."
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Wired on Autism in the Valley

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  • Real numbers (Score:5, Informative)

    by MiTEG ( 234467 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @05:46AM (#2713980) Homepage Journal
    The BBC [bbc.co.uk] has an interesting article that gives some real numbers. The article says that about "pervasive developmental disorders" are running at a rate of about 46 per 10,000, and full out autism is about 17 per 10,000.
  • Autism or Aspergers? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Yaruar ( 125933 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @06:12AM (#2714027)
    One of the things I have been finding out a lot about recently is aspergers due to living with the daughter of an expert.

    We ahve been toying with ideas about links between people suffering from high functioning aspergers syndrome and people who work in professions such as IT, especially development. This is mainly because with aspergers the only major outward impairment of the individual is with social interraction and social awareness and this coupled with tendency to obsess over repetitive detail means that aspergers sufferers fit the mould of good programmers.

    I don't know enough about the syndrome to know if it is passed on through genes, but one could postulate if there is a group with a higher than average make up of the disease who are breeding amongst themselves it might possibly lead to a significent level of new cases compared to the national average.

    Even today a lot of aspergers cases are misdiagnosed as straight autism.

    Here for more information on aspergers and the differences between it and autism [wpi.edu]
  • by meander ( 178059 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @06:25AM (#2714063)
    Doubt it. If the MMR vaccine had anything to do with it, then you would expect a sudden rise in the level of autistic cases reported, which then levels out as the vaccine saturates the whole child population. In fact, the number of autistic kids diagnosed was going up before MMR was introduced, and has kept rising slowly, with a definite slope rather than flattening out.

    The more likely cause was that folks actually started to look for autistic kids, and as they found them, money was poured (or trickled) in to extend their research, which kept the curve rising, as opposed to flattening off.

    This was written up earlier this year in the Brithish Medical Journal, with more accessible articles in New Scientist to follow. The consensus went for the latter explanation, which fits the data much better.
  • Re:read the article (Score:3, Informative)

    by fatphil ( 181876 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @06:29AM (#2714073) Homepage
    "It's like a planned obsolescence in the intelligence of the species."
    Good observation, nicely worded too!

    You mustn't forget intellectuals' breeding patterns anyway. Intellectuals breed with negative population growth. (i.e. 2 intellectuals have 2.0 children on average). i.e. Intellectuals are destined to become outnumbered anyway. (However, that doesn't mean that they won't be a dominating minority - the majority of South Africans were black, the dominant minority white, for example).

    However I'm not convinced, from reading the article, that the thing is hugely genetic anyway. I think that, as always, the socialisation that the children get in the first few years of life governs how schizophrenic (i.e. detached) the child will develop. Maybe the intellectual parents _nurture_ detached children.
    (i.e. it is more like self-inflicting obselescence.)

    FatPhil
  • by puppetman ( 131489 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @06:35AM (#2714088) Homepage
    I'm sorry, my friend, but that's not the case at all.

    For example, "Dr. Davis has been receiving a large number of emails from parents, who have had their children's hair analyzed for toxic chemicals. The preliminary results show that extraordinarily high levels of antimony and arsenic are being found in children with learning and behavioral disorders within the spectrum of autism." - from Crib Life [criblife2000.com].

    Also, from Preventing Harm [preventingharm.org], states that, "Animal and human studies demonstrate that a variety of chemicals commonly encountered in industry and the home can contribute to developmental, learning, and behavioral disabilities" and that "[c]ertain genes may be susceptible to or cause individuals to be more susceptible to environmental "triggers." Particular vulnerability to a chemical exposure may be the result of a single or multiple interacting genes."

    And finally, the jury is still out on the link between vaccination (especially the MMR - mumps/measles/rubella vacine) and autism. There are numerous doctors who believe their is a link, and just as many who say there is not.

    So do you really believe that environment plays no role in autism?
  • Consider the source (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 17, 2001 @06:49AM (#2714114)
    Wired? Give me a break. Look at this article on their main page about animal washing service [wired.com]. Call me autistic if you will, but I'm not paying attention to this story until a valid study is done, reported by a respectable news source.
  • Re:Thats just it! (Score:2, Informative)

    by underpaidISPtech ( 409395 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @08:30AM (#2714289) Homepage
    >As far as social skills go, I dont have them, I have technical skills. I could develop social skills but to do so while it would balance me, i'd have to become less technical to do so.

    You know, at this point in my life, I think a healthy dose of hockey-banter and a desire to have "frivilous" conversation would do me a world of good. I would probably do better in job interviews, get along better with colleagues, and be "on the market" for that sexy and intelligent geektrix. I would like to be balanced. The fact is, socially adept people are the managers, VPs, and CEOs in the world. Those that can read a person's intent. They may not be able to grasp the concept of <insert geek topic >, but they certainly can see that I may/may not fit in with the corp culture within their organisation. And if they are the one doing the hiring, well, I'm SOL.

    We are predatory creatures at the same time that we are co-operative, and there is a very subtle dance taking place in front of my eyes every day that I cannot see. Booksmart as I may be, if you cannot interact, it is difficult to "network", schmooze, lie, flatter, whatever the so-called neurotypicals do. Maybe in a 1000 years autistic behaviour will be an advantage and the norm, but today it is a liability.

    Remember, the ability to interact with your fellow monkeyman/woman is still far more important than your hacking skillz. The world as we know it could alter significantly at any moment. Think of the traits neccessary during the 72 hrs after an earthquake. Leadership, co-operation, communication; nobody is going to be needing a programmer or network engineer when you're scrounging for food with glass stuck between your toes.
  • by caudron ( 466327 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @08:51AM (#2714328) Homepage
    Autism is just an umbrella term to describe a certain somewhat similar collection of traits. Noone is /just/ autistic in that sense. One in usually diagnosed as a particular brand of autism. Aspergers is a form of autism with a specific set of traits. If a person with aspergers is diagnosed with autism, it isn't a misdiagnisis, it's the first stage to discovering what sort of autism.
  • by vrmlknight ( 309019 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @09:24AM (#2714381) Homepage
    no but most Municipal Wastewater Treatment Equipment is more than a metal screen that takes chucks out of the water most plants contain such erumpent as Memcor CMF Microfiltration. The Memcor CMF-S uses a membrane with a 0.2-micron nominal pore size and demonstrates up to 6 log removal of Giardia and Cryptosporidium. A vacuum pump draws water through the membrane fibers of sub-modules submerged in the open top filter tanks. The fibers are the same polypropylene material as those used in the conventional CMF process, but the Memcor CMF-S operates under vacuum, so maximum driving pressure is only 85-100kPa. This lower pressure limit is not the disadvantage it first appears because filter cake characteristics improve at lower pressures.

    And MircoFloc Trident, the Trident Water Treatment Systems are Packaged water treatment plants designed to provide a combination of excellent performance treating surface water with space and capital cost savings. The system is provided with all the valves, controls, chemical feed and blowers. The Trident technology has been used in over 500 hundred applications including potable water, drinking water, tertiary treatment , Title 22 water reuse, and clarification filtration. It is also being used industrially for process water treatment and Pretreatment to RO. The Trident Water Treatment System design consists of four features which combine to make it the most advanced water treatment product line of its kind. These features are the Adsorption Clarifier, Mixed Media Filtration, Triton Direct Retention Underdrains and Coagulation Control. The modular Trident® A design is used for flows from 350 gpm (0.5 mgd) and up on waters with up to 100 NTU or 100 color units. The largest single steel tank module can treat 2.0 mgd and can be shipped on an ordinary trailer truck. Shipping by truck allows each factory-built module to be sent direct to the job site, which simplifies and shortens on-site construction. The Trident LP is used for the same flows as the Trident A, but are designed for moderate (30 NTU or 30 color units) quality raw water sources. The Trident® LP has a lower tank height and a smaller footprint, reducing the overall cost of the system. Each plant contains:
    --An Adsorption Clarifier(tm) combining flocculation and clarification into a single process step using less than 60% of the area normally needed for these functions
    --A Mixed Media filter using three or more granular media layered and graded downward from coarse to very fine. Solids removal is occurs throughout the entire depth of the bed.
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    I do believe that there is more stuff out there but this is all i can remeber at the time
  • by peripatetic_bum ( 211859 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @09:28AM (#2714390) Homepage Journal
    Oh my.

    I see that once again, people who consider themselves experts in one field have decided that their opinion is expert in another.

    Let's put one thing straight, if you have ever met a child with Aspenrger's Sydnrome, it is not mild, it not something that has been defined as abnormal simply because the rest of 'society' doesnt get it.

    It is in the DSM IV (of psychiatry) because it is a devastating neurobiological syndrome for a kid to have. Please dont fucking compare it to Dyslexia. You insult those with Asperger's and those with Dyslexia.

    Anyway, please look it up, look at

    http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/
  • by claeswi ( 212369 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @10:05AM (#2714483) Homepage
    This is a very unfortunate and common misconception; the first signs and symptoms of autism-spectrum disorders often appear around the time when the child begins to speak, and this coincides with the time when the MMR vaccine is given. The epidemiological evidence is strong against there being a causal link.

    If you're seriously interested in reading about it rather than just deciding that the temporal correlation between the two is sufficient proof of causality, both BMJ [bmj.com] and the Lancet [lancet.com] have had a lot of original articles and correspondence on the topic in the past few years, for example the following study by Taylor et al.


    Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association


    Taylor et al.

    Summary

    Background We undertook an epidemiological study to investigate whether measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine may be causally associated with autism.

    Methods Children with autism born since 1979 were identified from special needs/disability registers and special schools in eight North Thames health districts, UK. Information from clinical records was linked to immunisation data held on the child health computing system. We looked for evidence of a change in trend in incidence or age at diagnosis associated with the introduction of MMR vaccination to the UK in 1988. Clustering of onsets within defined postvaccination periods was investigated by the case-series method.

    Findings We identified 498 cases of autism (261 of core autism, 166 of atypical autism, and 71 of Asperger's syndrome). In 293 cases the diagnosis could be confirmed by the criteria of the International Classification of Diseases, tenth revision (ICD10: 214 [82%] core autism, 52 [31%] atypical autism, 27 [38%] Asperger's syndrome). There was a steady increase in cases by year of birth with no sudden "step-up" or change in the trend line after the introduction of MMR vaccination. There was no difference in age at diagnosis between the cases vaccinated before or after 18 months of age and those never vaccinated. There was no temporal association between onset of autism within 1 or 2 years after vaccination with MMR (relative incidence compared with control period 094 [95% CI 060147] and 109 [079152]). Developmental regression was not clustered in the months after vaccination (relative incidence within 2 months and 4 months after MMR vaccination 092 [038221] and 100 [052195]). No significant temporal clustering for age at onset of parental concern was seen for cases of core autism or atypical autism with the exception of a single interval within 6 months of MMR vaccination. This appeared to be an artifact related to the difficulty of defining precisely the onset of symptoms in this disorder.

    Interpretation Our analyses do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism. If such an association occurs, it is so rare that it could not be identified in this large regional sample.

    Lancet 1999; 353: 20262
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 17, 2001 @10:37AM (#2714617)
    This is a little ignorant of the facts. While there are cases where vaccines (indeed, any injection) cause acute allergic reactions (which is immediate and generally treatable), there's nothing to suggest that they might be harmful in any other respect (and they are demonstrably very beneficial).

    The doctor in the UK you cite was strongly criticized for many omissions from his study. For example, while he correctly reported that since the introduction of the MMR vaccine, there have been more diagnoses of autism, he failed to report or explain that the same rise in autism rates was reported for children not receiving MMR vaccines. He also failed to report that many of the children he reported on exhibitied signs of autism prior to or at the time of initial innoculation.

    It's unfortunate that the general public is so willing to tacitly accept almost anything presented as "research" as gospel without looking into the matter.

  • Re:read the article (Score:2, Informative)

    by teromajusa ( 445906 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @11:06AM (#2714701)
    I'm raising an autistic son and I know more about the subject than you ever will. If you watched the emergence of autism in a one year old child (yes sometimes its apparent much earlier than 2), the fundamental differences in thinking that are evidenced by his behavior, you would know how wrong your assumptions are.

    PDD-NOS is not, BTW, a mild form of autism. NOS stands for Not Otherwise Specified, and it is a category of autism used for when symptoms do not fit uniformly into Aspergers or classic Autism.

    BTW, in regard to ADHD, children with ADHD frequently show marked improvement (better concentration, better haved) when given Ritalin, which in other children acts as a stimulant. There is very good evidence that there is a neological disorder involved, not just "spoilt brats".

    Uninformed opinion is very destructive to both people and families suffering from both these diseases. Please realize that while you and your girlfriend may have discussed this for a half an hour or so, others have spent their lives researching it, and their opinion, backed by scientific research, are likely to be a bit more accurate than your theorizing.
  • by Kupek ( 75469 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @12:06PM (#2714983)
    The women's lib stuff is bunk. All of it. Contrary to popular beleif, what this culture views as the "normal" family and social structure isn't quite normal. When you say "traditionaly," you're going back, what, 100 years, 500 years? Not far enough.

    From "The Way We Really Are," by Stephanie Coontz:

    One of the most common misconceptions about modern marriage is the notion that coprovider families are a new invention in human history. In fact, today's dual-earner family represents a return to older norms, after a very short interlude that people mistakenly identify as "traditional."

    Thoughout most of humanity's history women as well as men were family breadwinners. Contrary to cartoons of cavemen dragging home food to a wife waiting at a campfire, in the distant past of early gathering and hunting societies women contributed as much or more to family substinence as men. Mothers left the hearth to forage for food, hunt small animals, trade with other groups, or tend to crops.

    On this continent, neither Native American, African-American, nor white women were originally seen as economic dependents. Among European colonists, men dominated women, but their authority was based on legal, political and religious coercion, not on men's greater economic importance. The most common words for wives in seventeenth- and eighteenth-century colonial America were "yoke-mates" or "meet-helps," labels that indicated women's economic partnership with men. ... But in the early 1800s, as capitalist production for the market replaced home-based production for local exchange, and a wage-labor system supplanted widespread self-employment and farming, more and more work was conducted in centralized workplaces removed from the farm or home. ... Men (and older children) began to specialize in work outside the home, withdrawing from their traditional child-raising responsibilities. Household work and child care were delegated to wives, who gave up their older roles in production and barter.

  • Re:In breeding (Score:3, Informative)

    by Marcus Brody ( 320463 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @12:28PM (#2715109) Homepage
    I am *really* trying hard not to flame these days.... but:

    "Studies have shown that problems with inbreeding only occur after many generations of close relatives breeding together"

    That is patently bullshit. Please would you point me to the references for these "studies" and I will tear them up along with your post.

    OK, here goes. This is pointless, but I feel compelled to demolish you fallacy:

    There are thousands of single-gene "monogenic" disorders. A Good example is Cystic Fibrosis, although you could replace this in the example for countless diseases. Cystic fibrosis is a recessive disease. This means that you have two copies of the gene (called CFTR), and if both are "damaged" or mutated, you will have the disease. However, if you have only one mutated copy, you are just fine. In this case you are a "carrier" for CF - but you will probably never know it.

    Now let's take the example that you are a carrier for CF. About 1/20 people are carriers for a mutated CFTR gene, so this is not unlikely. Now, you have a 1/20 chance of marrying somebody who also is a carrier for CF. If you did marry someone who was a carrier, each child you give birth to will have a chance of having CF. Each child will have a 1/2 chance of inheriting your "bad" copy of the gene, and a 1/2 chance of inheriting your partners "bad" copy of the gene. 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4, so there would be a 1/4 chance of the child having full blown CF. So overall, you would have a 1/20 (chance of meeting somebody else with CF) x 1/4 chance of having a child with CF:

    = 1/20 x 1/4 = 1/80 chance of giving birth to a single CF child, if you are a carrier and marry a random individual.

    Now consider having a child with your sister [er... rather not - ed.]. She shares 50% of your genetic makeup. Therefore if you have a single mutated copy of the CF gene, she has a 1/2 chance of having that bad copy. Therefore:

    = 1/2 x 1/4 = 1/8 chance of giving birth to a single CF child if you are a carrier and have a child with your sister

    So, quite evidently, if you are a carrier for a "recessive monogenic" disorder, the chances of having an abnormal child are HUGELY increased with inbreeding - within a single generation. This same principal applies to other modes of inheritance and more complex traits - such as heart disease or diabetes. The maths is a little more complicated though. Furthermore, every person is a "carrier" for on average TWO inherited diseases. This seems like a lot, but just remember that the chances of meeting someone else who also happens to be a carrier for the same disease is very rare. Unless you happen to have sex with a relative. In which case, you are very likely to have an abnormal child.

    Despite what the twat above said, I seriously advise you *NOT* to start going out and making bacon with your auntie.
  • Re:In breeding (Score:1, Informative)

    by d-e-w ( 173678 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @01:53PM (#2715544)
    There are thousands of single-gene "monogenic" disorders. A Good example is Cystic Fibrosis, although you could replace this in the example for countless diseases. Cystic fibrosis is a recessive disease. This means that you have two copies of the gene (called CFTR), and if both are "damaged" or mutated, you will have the disease. However, if you have only one mutated copy, you are just fine. In this case you are a "carrier" for CF - but you will probably never know it.

    There is also mounting evidence that some "monogenic" diseases offer protection to carriers (which is why they have not been breed out by natural selection.) The most commonly known one is the protection against malaria offered by the sickle cell genes. The body of a carrier of CF is better at retaining hydration than someone without a copy of the gene, which historically may have protected from death by disease-caused dehydration (which was a major concern up until the middle of the 20th centuary.) When two copies are brought together, it means bad things--but the single copy may be helpful.

    That tendency is a piece of knowledge that could also drive suspicions that these cases of autism are genetically-linked. For many years, studies have suggested that two parents of high intelligence tend to produce children of average intelligence. (Note tend.) An argument can be made for both environment causes and genetic causes. Here, this article suggests to me, and apparently to those who have decided to investigate, that two parents with a tendency towards mild "autistic" behaviors have a tendency to produce children who are diagnosed with full-blown autism. That suggests a link. Further studies are needed to prove or disprove the link--and that's basically what the article is saying. Both genetics and environment can produce tendencies, but studies are required to determine whether either (or both!) are to blame. Both can be under suspicion.

    This is especially true given that we're talking about autism, a disease that's not very well understood. Therapies that work for some children have no effect on others. There has been some suspicion recently that diseases with similar sympotms but different underlying causes may be lumped together under the heading of autism. (For example, last I heard, there were studies starting up to determine whether the lack of/malfunction of a particular digestive enzyme could be the underlying cause behind some cases of autism--for some children, a treatment which replaced that enzyme through injections has worked wonders while in other cases it hasn't had a damn bit of effect. That lack of effect in some caused the treatment's dismissal by some researchers; now some are wondering about the discrepency and looking at what, outside of parental illusion, might cause that.) Autism requires the type of research that this article suggests it is beginning to receive. The tendency to blame it on bad/detacted parenting during the 1970s and early 1980s severly hindered scientific investigation of other possible causes, and that has only begun to be remedied recently. It's rather sad that a clustering effect like this is what it takes to get this type of attention, but perhaps the clustering itself will give more insights into what particular causes can be. There are so many factors that can be brought under suspicion here. It may not be simply one factor which is causing this. But it may lead to the scientific identification of some factors in autism, which can help diagnosis and treatment. When you're talking about looking at genetics and environmental factors, it's not only the psychs which are involved any longer. It's scientific investigators as well.

  • a few facts (Score:2, Informative)

    by xah ( 448501 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @02:13PM (#2715632) Homepage
    Let's have some facts. Just about everything below is a quotation from the noted web sites.

    Asperger Syndrome - Asperger Syndrome is a form of Autism, a condition that affects the way a person communicates and relates to others. However people with Asperger Syndrome are usually of average or above average intelligence, (unlike those with Autism). It is sometimes known as 'high functioning Autism'. It causes difficulties in the way a person relates to other people, socializes and forms relationships, amongst other things. (LINK) [asperger-syndrome.com].

    Autism -- a condition characterized by an inability to relate to people. The incidence of the condition is about 2 in every 10,000 live births. Autistic infants do not cuddle and do not like to be picked up. They prefer to be left alone and are intolerant of change in their environment. Autistic children may respond with tantrums to such changes as the rearrangement of furniture or toys. Many autistic children are mute; in others, the development of speech is severely restricted to a repetition of a few words. Physical development is normal. Initially believed to be a consequence of poor parenting, it is now recognized as a neurological disorder. Some autistic children improve spontaneously. Others respond to a specialized plan of treatment. However, less than 25 percent of autistic children get better. Over half of all autistic children require residential placement by the end of adolescence. (LINK) [rush.edu]. There is no link between the MMR vaccine and autism. (LINK) [nih.gov].

    Selective Mutism -- (formerly called Elective Mutism) is a psychiatric disorder that is characterized by consistent failure to speak in SELECT social settings in which there is an expectation to speak; such as school. (LINK) [selectivemutism.org] (warning: sub-par HTML). The crucial diagnostic element is that the child has the ability to both comprehend spoken language and to speak, but fails to do so in select settings. These children will display reasonably appropriate verbal and interactive skills at home in the presence of a few individuals with whom they feel at ease. The term Selective Mutism should separate individuals who demonstrate a selectivity with whom they speak from individuals who speak to no one. A population which should be excluded are immigrants who speak another language, have no history of the disorder, and experience SM for a short period of time. In these cases the mutism is usually transient. (LINK) [aol.com]. The cause or causes of selective mutism is unknown. (LINK) [aol.com]. Selective mutism is sharply different from autism. (LINK) [aol.com].

    If you believe you or a child has a problem, a good place to start is with a medical doctor. Don't rely on the information I provide. I do not vouch for the accuracy of any of this.

  • by iconian ( 222724 ) <layertwothree@nOspAm.gmail.com> on Monday December 17, 2001 @03:47PM (#2716080) Journal
    The problem is not with Psychology but with the intepretation of Psychological research by media and folks like yourself. If you read any well-written research journal paper, you'll know what I'm talking about. Most Psychology choose their words carefully and make conservative intepretation of the data in their papers because of blunders of wild interpretations made by early Psychologists such as John Watson. The media has a tendency of distorting Psychological findings (as with any science) to make it interesting or understandable.

    I'm not sure what school you went to but the Psychology research methods and stats (2 courses)at my school are carefully taught. In the upper level Psychology classes, we are trained to critique and recognize biases in scientific journal. In fact, I have trouble reading even NYTimes articles without the urge to tear it up.

    As a student of Psychology and Biology, you are making a gross generalization when you suggest Psychology is not a science. Psychology is a broad field. What people have to know is that Psychology != Emotions. Cognitive Psychology for example rarely deals with "feelings" at all (which is actually a fallacy of the field if you think about it because emotions affect how you process information). Like any science, Psychology has also an early history of poor science. (Look up Aristotle & Anatomy or Da Vinci & Flight.) Unfortunately, when people think of Psychology, people narrowly think of Sigmund Freud, sexual repression, etc. Freud WAS NOT a Psychologist. None of his work at the time under went testing. He made his claims and people took it for truth just because it made sense to some people. If you argued with him about the Oedipus complex, he would use circular logic and say "you just have unresolve issues with your mother. That's why you can't accept my claims." Most of Freud's claims has been refuted. His work is rarely mentioned past Intro Psychology courses.

    Know what you are talking about especially if you are going to criticize a particular field of science. If you are going to make generalizations, back them up with specific examples. Know your sources of a work that you are reading, if possible, read the original.
  • Re:read the article (Score:1, Informative)

    by TrinSF ( 183901 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @04:12PM (#2716220)
    Another problem with your comments is that you assume two working parents. Actually, in the Valley, that's not as likely as you might imagine. Even when two parents start out with careers, there's a real move here to have one or both parents stay home.

    It's more likely to see parents with flexible hours, or one parent who left a job to raise the children. Additionally, the parents tend to be much older -- mid-40's isn't uncommon. These children also aren't in 30-child classrooms; they're in private schools (because almost everyone here who can afford it is in private school) with much smaller class sizes.

    In short, it's clear from your comments that you're not familar with the reality of families in the Silicon Valley. While I don't necessarily approve of some of the excesses here, there's a much higher percentage of stay-at-home parents here than in many other places in the US.

  • CAN PEOPLE READ? (Score:2, Informative)

    by SLP ( 544559 ) on Monday December 17, 2001 @11:28PM (#2718092)
    I am a speech-language pathologist in the San Francisco Bay Area; and I primarily work with students with autism in grades K-6. While your article was informative and thorough, either people failed to read the entire article, they have reading comprehension problems, or the article failed to illustrate just how serious a diagnosis of autism can be. After reading it, I didn't believe the latter. But I wonder how so many people could post such inane comments in response to it!

    Obviously these people have never met children or adults with autism. I work with many students that barely have any verbal language at all, cannot go 5 minutes without stimming (arms flapping, humming, running, fingers flicking), and still aren't toilet trained at age 8. While my students on the other extreme may seem higher functioning because they have normal cognitive abilities, they are sometimes more puzzling and sadder. Children with Asperger's aren't simply the geniuses of today. Because they have average to above average IQs, they are expected to perform like everyone else. But since they lack many of the skills many of us take for granted, they are truly at a disadvantage. One of my children, who happens to have brilliant tech-minded parents, cannot answer yes/no questions (he usually echoes the last few words of the questions), cannot take turns unless cued, cannot attend to speakers, he's obsessed with lining things up, and has an uncanny ability to recognize how many items are in a group instantly. However, this kid at age 4 cognitively functions at age 6-7. You can't tell me that these aren't deficits and that it won't impact him.

    I read several posts from people who simply don't know what they're talking about. And instead of responding like they think they know it all, maybe they should do some research. But I have to admit, many people have fallen victim to unqualified professionals that are too quick to slap a label on kids. I fully support current resources out there and ones trying to come online that would put parents and other professionals in contact with people who really do know what's going on, people who accept that they do not know everything, and people who continue to seek education and answers in the area of autism.

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