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Trimming Television to Sell More Ads 536

gambit3 writes: "Tech TV has an article about a device called a "Digital Time Machine", that does something called "Time Trimming", which is basically a way to cut single frames from different scenes in TV programs, which, over the course of a 30 minute program, can add up to 30 seconds, which is, incidentally, the perfect length to add ANOTHER commercial."
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Trimming Television to Sell More Ads

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  • Just what we need. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Restil ( 31903 ) on Sunday January 27, 2002 @10:56PM (#2911685) Homepage
    Isn't 33% of the showtime for commercials enough already? I guess not.

    So which frames are they cutting, and do they plan to cut the audio too? I suppose during moments of intense silence, cutting a 24/th of a second of audio won't be a big problem, but still.

    I just hope its not something that chirps..or is otherwise obvious what they're doing.

    -Restil
  • by beiaterm ( 552507 ) on Sunday January 27, 2002 @10:59PM (#2911702)
    They could use this to cut out frames from other commercials! Also, isn't there black space between commercials as it it? They could just cross fade everything into everything else, Just like on the more annoying radio stations. No wonder I don't own a TV! ::alan
  • by augustz ( 18082 ) on Sunday January 27, 2002 @11:01PM (#2911714)
    Did you read the article?

    The article clearly says that it does not pop or chirp, and that over 170 stations are already using it. I mean, if it was poping and chirping first of all everyone would know, and second of all the stations wouldn't use it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27, 2002 @11:11PM (#2911754)
    I actually watched TV. At least with commercials, they are 'honest' in how they are selling me things based not on value or efficiency/effectiveness of the product, but merely inconsequential and superficial noise that bears no real value in anyones life (based upon an assumption that one has a life).

    I no more buy products because some clown makes me laugh, or some half naked girlie makes me excited. So what is the difference when instead of 'directly' selling me something, they are pushing some agenda that must use a fantasy environment (the fantasy environment created by ANY book, film, theater, etc) to make it sound plausable?

    As long as Discovery, et al don't fall prey to this I imagine I will not even notice it.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27, 2002 @11:24PM (#2911809)
    Given the small number of quality shows, I think that you might prefer to "underclock your TV" so that they last longer.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27, 2002 @11:29PM (#2911819)
    I plan to live to be 75.

    I started listing to Talk Radio at 21 for 4 hours per day.

    60sec*4 = 240sec per show i.e 4 minutes.
    4*365 = 1460 Minutes per year
    54*1460=78840
    (Forgive me I forgot leap years;0
    For a grand total of 54.74 Days of being ripped out of entertainment.

    Now you say that entertainment is free.. What do you want. Shall we do the math for 4 hours of TV per day and standard commercials at par.

    Here is the deal people, we pay for our entertainment with our time. In exchange we agree to take a gander at a few sales pitches.

    What this means is that we are taking a pay cut. Plain and simple
  • Backlash? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 90XDoubleSide ( 522791 ) <ninetyxdoubleside@hailmail . n et> on Sunday January 27, 2002 @11:34PM (#2911828)
    We already put up with 1/8th screen, light-speed credits and having 30 mins of commercials crammed into network television premiere movies... how long before people get tired enough of this crap to start watching everything on TiVO/Replay/etc.? We've already seen this happen with web advertising: would many of us be using ad filters if they hadn't started doing pop-up/pop-under ads?

    Realistically 90% of people are going to put up with any crap you force on them, but still, this might make a lot of the type of people who read /. give up on live TV.

    I also think it is silly to argue that no one will notice... I agree that it will be subtle, but think about it, .5/23= about 2.2% of the show, and that's assuming it was still a 23 min long show. Don't tell me you can hear compression artifacts in a 160kbps MP3, but you can't tell that the show is 2% faster. Doesn't break my heart with many of the shows they are playing, but 2% could very well have an effect on the timing of a dramatic scene in a good show or movie, and I think the networks are far more likely to use this in addition to and not instead of cutting scenes.

    Well, it's a good thing many good TV series are coming out on DVD. And just keep watching Cartoon Network, since they have to follow the 6-min commercial limit ;)

  • by a42 ( 136563 ) on Monday January 28, 2002 @01:17AM (#2912153)
    It's not at *all* a way to 'scam' the consumer into watching more commercials.. just a way to 'shorten' a show so it fits your schedule.

    Survey says... get real. It is absolutely a device to squeeze more commercials into a given time period. That's why it was made, how it is marketed, why it will be bought. Did you miss the part about the millions of dollars of extra ad revenue?

    I remember from a year or so back (when I used to write closed captioning software) a couple of networks doing someting like this already. (I seem to recall PAX being one of them but wouldn't swear to that.)

    The reason the whole thing sticks in my mind is that dropping frames like this plays hell with caption data and any other VBI data such as Web TV, VCHIP, etc.

  • by mlafranc ( 315895 ) on Monday January 28, 2002 @01:21AM (#2912164) Homepage
    Well here is the Evidence [vidiot.com]

    Paramount has been playing all sorts of tricks with the UPN Voyager and Enterprise feeds [vidiot.com] at least since Mid to Late 1999, It's old news to me.

    The interesting thing here is that the Enterprise Feeds sent to Canada [vidiot.com], on Telstar 5 TP 16 [lyngsat.com] for broadcast say on A-Channel [a-channel.com] don't have this

    What we know is that this is lucurative, and people who can't compare the two will not know what it is that they are missing.

    I suppose that these people [22minutes.com] will have to get a new name.

  • by anomaly ( 15035 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [3repooc.mot]> on Monday January 28, 2002 @01:22AM (#2912165)
    The purpose of the TV medium is to park your eyeballs on commercials so that you will buy the products. From the pov of the TV folks, the shows are incidental.

    Unfortunately, you the viewer have demonstrated an unfortunate reluctance to immerse yourself in 30-120 minute blocks of advertisements.

    Until such time as TV producers find a way to convince you to do that, you can expect them to do as much as is technically possible to add commercials until you get frustrated and stop watching TV.

    The networks don't care whether you like the content of the programs. They only care whether you will watch the programs enough that a certain percentage of you see and or hear the advertisements.
  • by osgeek ( 239988 ) on Monday January 28, 2002 @01:51AM (#2912237) Homepage Journal
    You seem to be trying to point out some kind of hypocrisy in Rush's position - that he has no right to complain because a business is trying to make money.

    His complaining is no hypocrisy. Now if he sought the creation of some kind of government program to remedy a free market assault on the quality of his show - that would be hypocrisy.
  • Complex Process (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ryanisflyboy ( 202507 ) on Monday January 28, 2002 @04:13AM (#2912529) Homepage Journal
    What is really amazing about this technology is that it throws out the correct frames, not just any frame. Even the casual observer will occasionaly notice when a frame is dropped (in a fade out, or cross fade for example). So this device (apparently) can throw out only the frames you won't miss as a viewer. What's amazing is that it does it all 'real time.' Of course real time in television does not mean the same thing in the computer world. Other products have this feature (adobe after effects, others) but they lack the horsepower to do it 'on the fly' (the video world slang equivilant to the computer world 'real time'). The networks have already become increasingly careful about how much time they show you a black screen. Often they won't fade to black any longer, but prefer hard cuts to commercials and other scenes. Television equipment is horribly expensive, and the amount that union workers get paid to run the equipment is unreal, not to mention how much talent wants now-a-days to perform. I'm sure that everyone is trying new ways to insert an extra 30 seconds into a broadcast just to pay for it all, and still make a large enough profit to justify their existance.

    One thing that gets me in the article is that you have to run the spot in front of the show (time delay)! So what happens when the machine can't remove enough frames.... now you are 30 seconds behind. I can just imagine all the complaints when the station chops off the last bit of a show containing the punchline so they can meet back up with the network at the top of the hour (resync for news/live events).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28, 2002 @06:31AM (#2912769)
    Simply do not buy anything that is advertised too much.
    Maybe I'll be flamed for taking this un-american point of view, but these people already stretch movies to gain a 5% of time to put commercials in; soon or later they'll convince you that a movie stretched to 50% fits better the modern life speed and spare time shortage.

    Fight them the only way they fear: no sells.
  • by SilentChris ( 452960 ) on Monday January 28, 2002 @09:30AM (#2913100) Homepage
    There's a solution. Don't watch the channel.
  • by 4of12 ( 97621 ) on Monday January 28, 2002 @10:13AM (#2913244) Homepage Journal

    ...when we all have HDTV...

    Taking a cue from all those advertisements that have been chopping the bottoms off the screen and overwriting part of the action with a semi-transparent channel logo I hereby predict:

    When HDTV arrives with its wide aspect ratio, old style TV programs that do not expand to such a wide panorama will be buttressed with sideways letterbox format, which will rapidly be filled with advertisements.

    Remember, you read it on Slashdot first!

  • Re:I LOVE THE BBC (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mikera ( 98932 ) on Monday January 28, 2002 @10:32AM (#2913308) Homepage Journal
    Yeah, I never saw the point of self-advertisement on TV much. Anyone who is seriously into TV watching has a guide and/or knows what time their favourite programmes is on at anyway.

    And slots that promote nothing but the channel (e.g. all the cute animated logos....) are a waste of time - people don't exactly have much "brand loyalty" as far as channels go. People switch channels 50 times a day, for god's sake. Promoting your "channel" is completely pointless vs., for example, actually scheduling something that people want to watch.

    But one area I do think it is justified is promoting novel kinds of programme and new series launches. You can target pretty precisely the kind of audience the programme would appeal to, and can use this device to encourage people to branch out beyond their normal habits. Don't see much harm in that, and the BBC certainly has a role in broadening peoples' horizons.
  • by gfxguy ( 98788 ) on Monday January 28, 2002 @11:29AM (#2913577)
    You say that as if it isn't already happening...
  • Re:Yep nothing new (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28, 2002 @12:04PM (#2913802)
    Think "product placement" ala The Truman Show.
  • by Helmholtz ( 2715 ) on Monday January 28, 2002 @02:27PM (#2914723) Homepage
    The music industry convinced me to stop using their product. The prices have become exhorbitant, and the quality of the artistry has become lousy. Songwriters don't put out albums anymore, marketing departments do. So I have tossed them aside and stick with the old tunes that I still love. For new stuff I follow local bands and non-music-industry-affiliated bands I find here and there on the internet. I find that these guys, while they don't always have access to the best sound equipment, are producing songs of greater interest than the latest smash pop barbie/ken doll.
    The movie industry has almost convinced me to stop using their product. Movie prices keep rising, the quality of the theatres keep dropping. I find it unacceptable to go to a theatre and see 5 minutes of "black rain" when there's a bright white scene. I think that movies are also moving into the abyss, much like music, but at a much slower pace. There are still enough people making interesting movies to keep my interest alive. So if I shirk theatres that's no big deal; it's simple to make a home theatre these days. And then there's the whole DVD and HDTV mess ... I'm still hoping the MPAA and FCC don't manage to do to movies what the music industry has done to music.

    While I gave up on network TV a long time ago, I've found that many cable/satellite channels have quality entertainment in their lineups. Because of the sheer number of available channels, I always figured that cable/satellite TV would stay relatively unscathed by all the BS that has destroyed the music industry, and is gnawing at the movie industry. Then I read articles like this, and ones that talk about the fervent attepts to destroy the ability to record television programs. I can easily see television being the next media outlet that I throw away.

    If there are any music/movie/television industry workers reading this thread, I just want to make it clear that in your rabid pursuit to further unbalance the scales of product and profit you are at the very least going to lose this customer. And I can't help but think there are others who feel the same.

    I guess I'm done ranting for now.

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