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Spyware Fights Back 680

sparcv9 writes "According to the latest issue of Spyware Weekly, the Radlight media player not only searches your hard drive for Adaware, but will uninstall it if found. How do they attempt to legitimize this? By including a clause in their EULA that reads: 'You are not allowed to use any third party program (e.g Ad-aware) to uninstall application bundled with RadLight. Such programs will be removed. If you want to uninstall them, you may do so via Add/Remove in Windows' Control Panel.' Yes, that's right. Not only do they say you are not allowed to use Adaware to remove their bundled apps, but they will forcibly remove Adaware for you to make sure you don't!" There's also a Newsbytes story.
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Spyware Fights Back

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  • Radlight? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Zaknafein500 ( 303608 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:15PM (#3403841) Homepage
    Does anyone even use this program?
  • by NetRanger ( 5584 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:16PM (#3403857) Homepage
    ...Microsoft, sensing that they can copy another great idea, changed its EULA today to uninstall Linux when any of its software is run on a machine in the same building.
  • by Quay42 ( 444528 ) <slashdot@NospAM.40two.org> on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:18PM (#3403885) Homepage
    Surely you're kidding. I know people don't read the stories, but did you even read the description?

    jw.
  • by darkonc ( 47285 ) <stephen_samuel AT bcgreen DOT com> on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:19PM (#3403917) Homepage Journal
    I'm gonna have to write a piece of software where the EULA includes the phrasing:

    By downloading and using this program, I agree to give to the author, on demand, my entire computer system -- including software, licenses for said software and all data contained on said computer. Should licensee decline to abide for the agreement, the licensee will, in addition to the computer system mentioned above, be required to pay legal fees............
    (ianal).

  • Core wars! (Score:1, Funny)

    by Harlow_B_Ashur ( 35202 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:23PM (#3403969)
    Rules? There are no rules in core wars!
  • by NickRob ( 575331 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:23PM (#3403979)
    Step One: Download the player
    Step two: Run player, see if the company isn't bs'ing
    Step Three: if adaware == missing Then change facial.expresson to 'Shocked'
    Step Four: Download a new version of AdAware that can disable the player's abilities. Step Five: Laugh. You have beaten the system, my friend! Today is a good day!
  • by jest3r ( 458429 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:24PM (#3403983)
    So we can expect that Adaware will add a disclaimer to their EULA stating that:
    "Any attempt to uninstall our software will result in an uninstall upon reinstallation .. further more we will uninstall our uninstaller to prevent future uninstalls."
  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:26PM (#3404008) Journal
    "Those who lose their copy to this will just chuckle and redownload it and remove the crapware that got installed with the product."
    ...and then post on /., ensuring millions of people will eventually know what a crappy product Radlight is. Nice job taking the long view, guys.

    "If we're the brains of this operation, what's marketing - the boner?"
  • by Soul-Burn666 ( 574119 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:35PM (#3404140) Journal
    Isn't that the standard M$ license in essence?

    on another note, just thinking of M$ and standard makes me giggle...
  • by IvyMike ( 178408 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:38PM (#3404182)

    Want EULAs to be declared invalid? Write a popular software package that everybody wants, and then one day, change the EULA to say, "You may not use this software if you are not white." (Or "if you are white"...whatever, the point is to be arbitrarily racist.) If that's a little too radical for you, make it say, "You may not use this software if you are an employee of Microsoft or the U.S. Federal government".

    I suspect that the public outcry would have a lot more people scrutinizing EULAs very quickly.

    Or write an EULA that for one customer out of 100 comes up with, "You agree to allow us to publish your credit card numbers on the web for all to use." (As it turns out, this isn't very far from a lot of spyware EULAs, it's just much more to-the-point)

    In any case, abuse of EULAs has become so widespread that I suspect they're going to end up getting regulated, anyway. Let's hope it's sooner rather than later.

  • by p3d0 ( 42270 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:41PM (#3404215)
    It's ok, those are fake names anyway. I mean, come on: Blasius Floch?
  • by Fantastic Lad ( 198284 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:42PM (#3404236)
    When the automotive industry in agreement with the petrolium industry decide that no car on the market will have an aerodynamic efficiency above a certain figure, (so as to maintain a piggish rate of gas burning which might not otherwise be necessary), what can the average individual do?

    Aside from not owning a car, (which, btw, is an entirely viable option more people should look into), Joe-average can do very little.

    In the software universe, however, there are thousands of people who know how to program well enough to FIX intentional, greed-related corporate bullshit problems, and distribute those fixes to anybody who takes the relatively small amount of time required to learn how to implement them.

    Why are Hackors demonized by the media? Because they represent an annoying burr, a standing nail which refuses to be brushed away or hammered down. And through this, humanity is prevented from being jammed, (quite so quickly and neatly), into the square holes all neatly prepared for us. Hackors get in the way of the plans of the Control Reality which are being implemented around our ears as we speak.

    I am not a programmer. I am not a hacker. But I am proud that this aspect of humanity still exists. I am proud that people are having FUN in this way! (All important!) I salute those who know how to make the machines work for the common benefit, and who have the courage to do so!

    A tip of the hat to you all!


    -Fantastic Lad

  • by Andrewkov ( 140579 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:43PM (#3404250)
    No, he left out "First Born Son"
  • by FFtrDale ( 521701 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:52PM (#3404323)
    One way or the other one of the programs is not going to be on that machine at the end of the day.

    Thar just ain't enuf room on this Hard Drahv fer both o' us...Draw!

  • by realgone ( 147744 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:56PM (#3404361)
    Oh yes, there's more. Much more.

    RadLight offers you and your family a whole line of fine merchandise at the RadLight Online Store [cafepress.com] . If you've ever felt like you've had too much voluntary control over your daily routine, why not try integrating some of their fine products into your lifestyle?

    Take, for instance, this fashionable long-sleeve RadLight t-shirt [cafepress.com] . It's luxuriously soft, 100% cotton -- and it forcibly ejects from your wardrobe any third-party sweaters, jackets, etc. you might mistakenly slip over it on one of those chilly summer nights. No more hassles choosing what to wear, and think of all the closet space you'll free up.

    Or how about this bright and cheery RadLight mug [cafepress.com] ? Guaranteed to keep your favorite beverage piping hot... as long that beverage is RadLight-branded Maxwell House Regular Roast. All other liquids will be drained through an emergency discharge valve at the bottom of the mug. (Please note: by filling the cup, the consumer absolves RadLight of all liability for any leg/groin/other scalding that may occur.)

    And, of course, there's always RadLight's crowing achievement: extra-roomy RadLight boxer shorts [cafepress.com] . All-cotton, open-fly, and completely impervious to access by any third parties. That's right, only you or an authorized RadLight employee (or an employee/consultant of any of its licensed subsidiaries and partners) will be able to get at what's behind that RadLight logo. Now how's that for peace of mind?

    Don't thank them now. That slightly pained smile on your face will be praise enough.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @04:57PM (#3404383)
    Read the article idiot.
  • by The_Sock ( 17010 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @05:03PM (#3404438) Homepage
    Hey, it's got a bigger userbase then OS/2... I'm impressed.
  • by Decimal ( 154606 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @05:07PM (#3404484) Homepage Journal
    1. Spyware stuff.
    during the last few months the popularity of word "spyware" has raised amazingly. Actually, only a few peopla know what the programs considered as "spyware" do, but the name just sounds good, doesn't it? SPYWARE... SPYWARE... hmm, I'm pretty scared... maybe I should stop watching the american thrillers. Someone is spying me... he knows what I'm doing, knows my girlfriends telephone number, knows where do I live, he just controls my life...HE KNOWS !!!! But take a closer look at the "spyware" programs. e.g. SaveNow. SaveNow HELPS people when bying over the internet. You want to buy a pack (a few hundreds) of recordable CDs.... searching on the net.. AH, here...Oh, wait a moment, a popup window appears. When I click
    on the popup-window I can buy a pack of my favourite CDs and save up to 15% That's cool. I would even call it "HELPWARE". I'm happy.


    Oh, so this is one of those people who actually enjoy being interrupted during dinner to recieve a SPECIAL OFFER from company X if they switch phone companies. Now I see, they aren't telemarketers, they're tele-HELPERS!

    I got my CDs, some people got some money and everyone is happy. Some people say it collects some information and sends it over the internet... BUT. Has anyone "recorded" the data sent over the net? I use it and didn't notice any data being stolen or anything happened to my data.

    Likewise, this guy must be a-okay with having hidden cameras being in his shower. After all, if the data was wired right out of the house and on to the internet straight to some hidden-camera porn site, has anybody in the neighborhood "recorded" that pictures were sent from his household out over the net? He used the shower and might have noticed the camera, but that must be okay because he didn't actually see the pictures leaving the residence.

    I'm not going to go on. You already understand the truth, and so does this dishonest money-grubbing scumbag.
  • by Lethyos ( 408045 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @05:08PM (#3404487) Journal
    I can see it now... "Spy Warez: The Phantom Manuscript", featuring the lovable character Kaz Zaz! Coming to theaters near you!
  • by cdrudge ( 68377 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @05:16PM (#3404567) Homepage
    In 2001, 89% of all statistics are made up on the spot. This is up 45% from 2000.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @05:22PM (#3404629)
    .... unless the user of this program is a gorgeous babe with lucsious gazongas, then in which case the use of this program implies willful consent to riotous sex for the duration of the use of said software or for as long as author of said software can get it up.
  • by Click 0 Nett ( 525613 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @05:26PM (#3404664)

    "By existing in the same time-space continuum as this license agreement, you automatically transfer entire ownership of your being, body and belongings to ^Evil^ Inc. You now exist to serve ^Evil^ Inc, and therefor must comply will all commands. You will like, love, and worship ^Evil^ Inc. Click 'OK' below to relay your coordinates to our 'New Slave Arrival Department' for immediate pickup."

  • by sweetwayne ( 514359 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @05:44PM (#3404830)
    Your real name is Bernie Schifman, right?
  • by sean23007 ( 143364 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @05:52PM (#3404905) Homepage Journal
    Note that there are 43 of them. That's 43 stupid people who need our sympathy and our help.
  • by Shihar ( 153932 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @05:58PM (#3404986)
    Maybe the proper way to make a virus is just to throw in a EULA? Throw in small text:

    "By hitting agree, you agree to let the virus in question destroy your hard drive right after it gets done spaming the network and trying to send itself to everyone in your address book. You also have given us rights to your first born son and any virgin females in your house."
  • by darkonc ( 47285 ) <stephen_samuel AT bcgreen DOT com> on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @06:04PM (#3405052) Homepage Journal
    How the hell did this get rated "funny"? One of these days some asshole may get something like this past some judge somewhere, and a bunch of users are going to be SOL.
  • by Denium ( 537999 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @06:11PM (#3405124) Journal
    Quoting from totally.righteous.net [righteous.net]:
    By using the totally.righteous.net, you agree to be bound by the terms and conditions set forth in this agreement.

    totally.righteous.net is not responsible for anything, at all. By using the service, you consent to daily beatings, administered by any designee of totally.righteous.net.

    You agree to allow totally.righteous.net or designee to access your email, dialup, broadband or bank account as we deem necessary.

    totally.righteous.net or it's designee may obtain your passwords, PIN codes or credit card numbers whenever it may be useful to totally.righteous.net.

    You agree that totally.righteous.net can infect you, your computer or your family with viruses, worms or crotch crickets.

    You agree that totally.righteous.net may use you, your spouse, your children, your parents or your pets for sexual or other purposes

    You agree to complete monitoring of everything you do, or have done, or will do. Ever. totally.righteous.net can use whatever means are convenient to obtain this information, including but not limited to packet sniffing, telephone taps, log analysis, thumb screws, electric shock or bonus beatings.

    An electronic mail account has been created for you. Notices will be sent to that account. You are responsible for monitoring the account and performing orders as instructed by these notices. Failure to do so may result in bonus beatings.

    If you are an employee or representative of a telecommunications, cable, broadband or any communications company or organization, you agree to allow totally.righteous.net full and unrestricted access to all communications equipment.

    Any computer, router, switch, proxy, server or communications device requesting data from totally.righteous.net becomes the property of totally.righteous.net.

    If you are a representative or employee of Comcast Cable Communications, Inc., or are accessing totally.righteous.net from an address or IP controlled by Comcast Cable Communications, Inc., you agree that all equipment carrying traffic or data to or from totally.righteous.net becomes the permanent property of totally.righteous.net.

    Thank you for using totally.righteous.net.

  • by lactose99 ( 71132 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @06:21PM (#3405224)
    Nah... its just rot13 encoding, you know, to protect his true identity.

    His real name is Oynfvhf Sybpu

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @06:45PM (#3405462)
    Prepare for a SEVERE BEATING!
  • by serutan ( 259622 ) <snoopdoug@geekaz ... minus physicist> on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @07:54PM (#3405729) Homepage
    Dear RadLight,

    By accepting this message into your email system you agree to allow the embedded script to remove all data, applications and operating systems from your network.

    Removal process started.
    Have a nice d#* 7j
  • by Glytch ( 4881 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @08:05PM (#3405767)
    Quantum computers have a bigger user base than OS/2.
  • by Rasputin ( 5106 ) on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @08:28PM (#3405863) Homepage

    Mutually assured de-installation? :)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 24, 2002 @11:48PM (#3406843)
    Shit...that means that since you posted this information from totally.righteous.net on Slashdot, then Slashdot is their property. And since I'm viewing their property on Slashdot, all my computer are belong to them!
  • by sasami ( 158671 ) on Thursday April 25, 2002 @01:21AM (#3407158)
    One of these things is not like the others,
    one of these things just doesn't belong.
    Can you tell which thing is not like the others,
    By the time I finish my song?

    • GoBack
    • RADLight
    • CleanSweep
    • Ad-Aware

    ---
    Dum de dum.

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