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RIAA Sues Audiogalaxy 292

Frizzled writes "The RIAA has struck again, this time filing suit against Audiogalaxy's "Satellite" file sharing program. (Nevermind that Satellite is loaded with spy-ware ... good riddance)." News.com has a story. The RIAA's press release links to their complaint.
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RIAA Sues Audiogalaxy

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  • Control vs. Cash (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 24, 2002 @11:33PM (#3582741)
    They (record companies) seem determined to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. They'd rather have control than cash.

    I think that they would rather have the cash.

    Its more that they don't understand either the technology (which is probably unstoppable), or their own customers.

    In particular, the major music labels don't seem to understand that:

    1) Some people will pay money anyway for CD's if they like them enough.

    2) Alot more people would buy the music if they sold them directly over the internet.

    I personally believe that their sales would rocket up even at the same profit margins if they just dropped the cost of producing and distributing the CD's from the price of an internet download. This might only be a few dollars cheaper than what you pay to a major music store for the CD.

    So what I think is happening here is the equivalent of what happened to encyclopedia salesmen with encarta. They were so locked in to a large existing sales network with high production costs that they could not bring themselves to cannibalise their own networks to maintain sales. This nearly destroyed the companies (such as britannica) before they finally did a U turn. People were happy to buy an inferior (M$ Encarta - not that it was bad, just less information) product because it was so much cheaper, and almost as good.

    The analogy here of technology hitting an established high premium sales network is pretty tight. And I believe that the outcome will be the same. Eventually the networks will recognise this, and sell music tracks online for alot less than they currently do. They will prosper under this arrangement, although much of their distribution network will have to die in the process.

    For the record, I can see the same thing ultimately happening with video, and a similar process of technological change is occuring with cameras and film. Our home computers will take on all of these tasks. We will still shop, but for production tools (printers, cameras) and 'raw' materials (blank CD's, DVD's high quality paper). Companies that get on this bandwagon will do well (ask Kodak), and those that pretend it isn't happening will go towards the wall (ask britannica!).My 2c worthMichael

  • Oh well... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Saeculorum ( 547931 ) on Friday May 24, 2002 @11:40PM (#3582769)
    Back to AudioGalaxy's FTP Search [audiogalaxy.com]. It doesn't even need Satellite. However, it might be RIAA's next target, right after other FTP search sites [oth.net].
  • by inkswamp ( 233692 ) on Friday May 24, 2002 @11:45PM (#3582783)
    This is almost funny. As soon as one file-sharing system goes down, another comes along. Will the RIAA simply continue to sue every file-sharing service? It's ludicrous, but this doesn't strike me as bad. Maybe it will give others time to figure out a new digital distribution system to supplant the old business model so fervently and pointlessly protected by the RIAA. Let them go down fighting for a hopelessly outdated system while others make progress establishing the new.

    --Rick
  • by zaffir ( 546764 ) on Friday May 24, 2002 @11:49PM (#3582793)
    2) Alot more people would buy the music if they sold them directly over the internet.

    That is very, very true. And they won't be selling JUST to geeks, either. I know a guy, in his 50s, who uses his computer for e-mail, web browsing, word processing, and music. He's signed up for some music service over the internet where he pays about $1/song. He LOVES it. And he's a "joe sixpack", only a little older.
  • by Innomi ( 566928 ) on Friday May 24, 2002 @11:54PM (#3582806)
    RIAA's business model is starting to look at lot like rambus...
  • by ejaw5 ( 570071 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @12:24AM (#3582878)
    The reason most people download mp3s is because they only want a few songs from an entire album. (there are some exceptions where someone will get the whole album). The fact is, a lot of CDs produced only come with 5 or less "playable" songs. The rest just suck. (they're just there to fill in tracks). I remember when artists made CDs that you could play straight from the first to the last track. The RIAA should do more research on why people dont like CDs and make it worth spending $12-16.99 for it instead of blaming lost profits on the Internet
  • is it me... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by coene ( 554338 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @12:57AM (#3582950)
    or is the RIAA/MPAA winning these battles? They've knocked out everyone so far. Through hook, crook, or whatever, Napster, Kazza, etc. have fallen. How soon until they try to pursue Gnutella?
  • by Saeger ( 456549 ) <farrellj@g m a il.com> on Saturday May 25, 2002 @01:08AM (#3582984) Homepage
    The RIAA can sue the tool-makers until they're blue in the face, and the MPAA can bribe congress for dinosaur-life-extention-acts until they're... extinct, but, the thing that scares me the most is the power that ISPs have that the XXAA's don't.

    The best way to kill file-sharing -- along with the baby in the bathwater (i.e. VOIP, gaming, and other legit uses of broadband) -- would be if the MegaISPs (who don't have to play nice by sharing their lines) started capping and/or metering bandwidth at obscene overage rates to make serving anything extremely cost prohibitive.

    For added "protection" they could also start blocking any traffic that doesn't look like "good consumer" behavior. e.g: "Dear Joe Suspect: Even though you paid our insane rates for the 1.4Gigs of bandwidth you used last week, we noticed that it was all encrypted. This simply won't do. Consider yourself on notice buster!"

    Good thing wireless can't be monopolized...

    --

  • Why AG? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BreakWindows ( 442819 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @01:15AM (#3582996) Homepage
    It's odd they'd go after AudioGalaxy, considering other filesharing apps don't work to promote artists in the way it does. AG will (or try to) block you from downloading songs where someone has complained, suggest other artists and genres that may appeal and have a message board for discussing each musician. Seems better than just getting mp3's off napster.

    I don't see how the RIAA can claim, with a straight face, that the copyrighted-song blocking was 'not as good as a first year CS student'. They've done the best you can realistically do with keyword blocking, without blocking others in the crossfire. For example:

    The Cars, Drive = blocked.

    According to the RIAA, if the band "Drive" releases a song called "Cars", it should be denied. Given the combinations of keywords, you'd be blocking pretty much everything that isn't obscure and unique, like "the Crucifucks", "Tumor Circus", "Cockmonger" or "Republican Buttocks".

    They also have some light content-based filtering. I haven't researched this, but I think it goes by the ID3 tag. It seems to be used mostly to combat misspellings. Obviously, the RIAA's example was the worst-case scenario.

    They've really done a fair amount of filtering, and enough in the other areas to show they aren't just a napster clone (which wouldn't be a bad thing by my standards). It seems they just want any type of music far away from computers, because it's easier to control than to just come up with cooler ideas and incentive for people to buy. I suppose it's also easier than releasing something better than the pussified swill I hear booming by from people's car radios.

    --
    PS: both AG for linux, and the other linux version called xsatellite are spyware free. The official AG linux binary is still supported.
  • by krogoth ( 134320 ) <slashdot AT garandnet DOT net> on Saturday May 25, 2002 @01:31AM (#3583032) Homepage
    One of the things I like the most is the Linux client. I doubt it comes with any Internet Explorer plugins, but just in case I run it under an ordinary account, so it can't do too much. It's a nice background client instead of those useless, slow and sometimes ugly GUIs that most clients have, and the web-based interface makes it very easy to find what you want and get a good copy. It also has send groups - I get every Essential Mix and new music regularly without having to do anything.
  • by chuckcolby ( 170019 ) <chuck@@@rnoc...net> on Saturday May 25, 2002 @01:34AM (#3583039) Homepage
    People were happy to buy an inferior (M$ Encarta - not that it was bad, just less information) product because it was so much cheaper, and almost as good.

    Actually, if I'm remembering right, M$ did a good job with the free version of Encarta - Too Good. They did tons of market research to determine what content 90% of the people said they wanted, and put that into the OEM Encarta. The full Encarta included more content, but the OEM version was plenty to have little Johnny doing his homework with some pretty impressive content. They wiped out an entire industry with cd's they were distributing for free.

    This precedent is why RIAA is battling tooth and nail over valid (IMHO) self-preservation concerns, like Napster (PLEASE don't flame me - I didn't like what happened to Napster either, I'm playing devil's advocate here), and invalid (again, IMHO) concerns, like copy protecting CD's. This is just the first little hole in the dyke, me droogies. Look for the theatre of the fantastic to unfold in the coming months.

    They will prosper under this arrangement, although much of their distribution network will have to die in the process.

    I agree... record stores (or CD stores, whatever you kids call 'em these days ;) ) will probably dry up in this scenario. I'm not sure that's a good thing for the 16-22 year old employment demographic, but it'll be cool for us consumers.

    My .02, and I'll honor refunds on it.
  • Cry me a river... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by KernelHappy ( 517524 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @02:22AM (#3583169) Homepage
    Did anyone happen to catch 20/20 last night (Friday)? They had a piece about how radio stations take payola through indy promoters, blah blah blah. The interesting part was seeing Hillary Rosens fat head up there crying about how it costs the record labels so much and that there should be new laws to make it illegal, I'm just bawling my eyes out for them. I wonder how much of a discount consumers would see if such legistlation was put into place.

    To be fair most the focus of the segment was mostly about how it prevents smaller labels/artists from getting radio play regardless of how good their music may be, which is a bad thing.

    Personally I think its great that the RIAA is taking a stance against this. Lets see, first the RIAA pisses of geeks, then consumers, now they piss off the radio stations, if we get lucky they'll shoot themselves in the foot and piss off the artists and labels too.
  • by ebbomega ( 410207 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @02:32AM (#3583187) Journal
    So AG is the latest victim, it's actually quite amusing, since Audiogalaxy first of all just started out as an FTP searching database (ah... memories) and is probably the least guilty of ALL the filesharing software, especially since when a record company would ask them not to share certain songs, THEY WOULD BLOODY WELL COMPLY and block the songs.

    Who's running the show? The Purple Id Frog?

    I imagine the RIAA board room conversations are something like this:

    Lawyer: "Well, we've defeated Kazaa. All that's really left is a couple of unstable and small programs that are really ineffectual."
    RIAA: "WAR! SEX! COOKIES!!!!! [crackfiend.org]"
    Lawyer: "What's left to defeat?"
    RIAA: "WAR! SEX! COOKIES!!!!! [crackfiend.org]"
    Laywer: "Well... there's still audiogalaxy but..."
    RIAA: "WAR! SEX! COOKIES!!!!! [crackfiend.org]"
    Lawyer: "They've done everything we've asked them to! What're we gonna charge them with?"
    RIAA: "WAR! SEX! COOKIES!!!!! [crackfiend.org]"
    Lawyer: "I'll get the work order."
  • by shd99004 ( 317968 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @03:38AM (#3583285) Homepage
    I can share music and files in many many ways, and i can get it with different kinds of software, webbrowsers, FTP clients, etc etc. As I said in another comment... file sharing software doesn't violate copyrights, people violate copyrights. They have no right stopping this software or any other except viruses.
  • by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @04:36AM (#3583370) Homepage

    Follow Kazaa. Set up a shell company on some Pacific island, and when (not if, when) the Big Lawsuit hits, sell the name and assets, and fold the US operation. Rinse and repeat until there are no US based technology companies left.

    Sad, sad situation, but when the [MPA|RIA|BS]A can buy (nearly) any law they like and change the rules of the game whenever they feel like it, the only way to win is not to play in their schoolyard.

  • by NewsWatcher ( 450241 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @04:56AM (#3583395)
    It's all well and good to download and burn top 20 artists who make squillions every time they burp, but what do you say to a struggling artist like a friend of mine who has released just one solitary CD? I see her get together with her band and rehearse, I see how little she gets paid for singing in small-time pubs, and then I see people trading her music Online.

    How can she survive if no-one is buying her music? I try to tell her she is getting valuable exposure by being traded on Kazaa et al, but she is not really keen to get exposure if it only leads to more people illegally downloading her music. It doesn't seem to encourage many people to her gigs.

    She is unlikely to ever gross dollar one, but at one time people like her could still make some money on the side through their music to help earn some money while she is at university.

    Is file sharing supposed to make music only for the elite, who can afford to have people steal their creativity?

    I can't believe the RIAA is going about this the right way, given that since they began their campaign file trading has been steadily increasing, but something has to be done.

    I constantly hear the the RIAA doesn't have the right "business model". Can anyone tell me what the right business model might be for my friend?
  • by jdreed1024 ( 443938 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @06:41AM (#3583520)
    (Nevermind that Satellite is loaded with spy-ware ... good riddance).

    They came for Napster, and I did not speak up, because I did not use Napster.
    They came for Audiogalaxy, and I did not speak up, because it had spyware.
    They came for Limewire, and I did not speak up, because I did not like the Java client.
    Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up.

  • by RickHunter ( 103108 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @08:24AM (#3583641)

    Whoever modded the above as insightful or interesting is an illiterate idiot.

    Read the rest of the thread. Even on 4+, there's at least two comments talking about AudioGalaxy's promotion and review system for independant artists. The parent post seems to rather conveniently ignore this. If your friend wants to make money off music, maybe she should try contacting them and see what they can do. Or try one of the other sites that does stuff like this. (Allowing artists to sell albums directly to fans)

  • by DannyO152 ( 544940 ) on Saturday May 25, 2002 @11:56AM (#3584072)
    How do people find bands/musicians to like? It's about accessing their ears and engaging their minds, libidos, and/or lifestyles. Releasing a cd is neither necessary nor sufficient for the engagement. Your friend needs fans. Your friend needs to distribute her best songs so that people will hear them and will show up at a nearby show. Your friend needs to book the shows, do advance work with press and radio and people/fans who will publicize the show and bring out a draw, load up a van and do the shows, put together and execute a show that kills and is unique (whether there's five or a thousand in the room), hang around after the show and make contact with any one who discovered your friend's music that night and let them know she appreciates the support.

    And the thing is, that still might not work!

    But the questions, as she develops her business model, are: what are her goals, how much will she give and how much is she willing to forsake. Staying in the game is the best approach to gaining opportunities.

    One other comment, people trade her mp3s but don't go to the shows and buy the cd. So why no connection? Are they the wrong audience (and so they weren't going to buy the cd any way) or are they paying attention but still haven't heard "it" yet? There will always be people who want to take, and the real fans give. Go develop real fans. Indifference is the real career-killer. Someone listened -- a start was made.

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