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Posted by michael from the to-go-boldly-into-debt dept.
bluethundr writes "Uhm... Is Star Trek just not considered geeky anymore? Must I turn in my Local Geek Union 508 membership Card? Holy freakin' crap! Did I miss a memo somewhere, or did I fail to notice a story on /. about the one and only CAPTAIN'S CHAIR from the freakin' ENTERPRISE (...no bloody A, B, C or D) being up for auction on eBay? To be had, no doubt for about the amount of a small-to-mid-sized suburban home in the NE USofA." bluethundr continues on his 12-step program below.

bluethundr continues: "And while we're at it. I admit it. I am an Okudagram collector. I go nuts and drain my bank account every time I see one of the control panels from the Enterprise (which I believe to be authentic and usually TNG's D, as that's all my bankroll will allow) on eBay and my home server room looks like a federation outpost. If you weren't aware, the Okudagrams from the show come in the form of black-tinted plexi that has a patterned film applied to it with photographic gels to add color and vellum affixed to said plexi with black masking tape. The idea is to backlight them for the effect they achieved on the sets of lighted control panels. Collecting these things, you get a feeling for what's authentic hollywood material and what's a cheap fanboy knockoff. I can't help but wonder if I am the only /.er to engage in this eccentric hobby... By the way, several control panels from the 1701 (including Spock's Science Station computer!) as well as an array of other authentic stuff from the 60s is also to be had for a (very) tidy sum on "the world's online marketplace"....By the way, I am trying to curb this habit of mine, hence this submission. :-|"
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  • You'd've loved the 60s Hammond combo organ we had when I was growing up, mash enough keys at once=instant (TOS) transporter/phaser sounds. And as far as "No longer considered geeky", well, Trek still has a place in the Geek Code [geekcode.com], right?
    • Fie. Organ shmorgan, I'm getting a theremin for my birthday! Now that's the REAL sound of sci-fi. And you wanna know what's super geeky? My wife is building it for me! There's just something soooo sexy about a woman with a soldering iron...

  • *sniff sniff* (Score:4, Funny)

    by molrak ( 541582 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @05:26AM (#3664316) Homepage
    Something smells like NERD around here.... *checks armpits for odor* Oh crap, it's just me! *droooool* But seriously, after all the pounds that Shatner put on during the series, I'd be worried that the chair has already developed its own ass groove that, while priceless in trek history, just would not work well with my own ass.
    • But seriously, after all the pounds that Shatner put on during the series, I'd be worried that the chair has already developed its own ass groove that, while priceless in trek history, just would not work well with my own ass.

      Just wiggle in deep and imagine you're Kaptain Quirk.

  • The stain... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Linux Freak ( 18608 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @05:38AM (#3664333) Homepage
    This is pretty cool, although I can think of a number of other things I would prefer to use the minimum $80,000 bid on.

    I wonder about that stain on the base. Looks like coffee. It would be interesting if that was the result of an accident (on set, or after the chair was given to the collector), or was caused by Captain Kirk holding a drink which was dropped due to an incoming photon torpedo. :^D
    • I was actually thinking that the stain came from Kirk pissing himself when he saw the Klingons coming.
    • It would be pretty easy to knock up your own version of the chair with some plywood, vinyl seat cloth, a pot of grey paint and some repro car dashboard switches from the 1960s.

      Of course you would know it was fake and you could even tell your friends it was fake but they would all think it was really genuine (unless you let them see you build it) and you were really telling lies to avoid the house being targetted by burglars.

      Main reason not to do so of course is the seat looks uncomfy as heck.

      I have a bunch of 'Jackson Pollocks' , a 'Rothko' and a Mondrian on my walls. If they were genuine they would be worth several million, all they cost me were a few hundred dollars for the canvas, paint and a couple of art books.

    • Sorry, a coffee stain would gradually turn black over time-- I'm banking on 'Tribble-Piss' as the actual culprit.

      Or, it could have been during Spock's 'redneck period' where he took up spitting tabacky and was known for soiling several areas of the Enterprise before the writers turned the idea off. Imagine the nerve of some vulcan scratching his balls while giving the "live long and prosper" sign.

  • Nice Scene (Score:2, Funny)

    by redgekko ( 320391 )
    I love how they choose to feature a scene where the crew is strewn lifeless across the bridge floor. That's what you get for not having seatbelts!

    Do the switches on the armrests remind anyone of an electric organ?

  • I thought $80,000 starting bid was bad, but look, Ebay getting an 18% premium of the selling price is even more outrageous.

    That's insane!
    That makes the min price for the chair $94,400.

    I thought seller paid the fees.... geech.
  • I hate to say it, but your statement that Star Trek is no longer geeky is actually somewhat true. There is a growing trend amoung 15 to 25 year old hicks who are into country music to watch ST:TNG episodes, and said market has been eagerly captured by TNN, who have rebranded themselves as the "New" TNN. It seems now that whenever there isn't anything good on, I come crawling back to the old episodes that got me through so many lonely nights in junior high... when all the normal, "popular" people were off wasting there money at the movies and at the mall. Fortunately, having not wasted my money on such silly things, I have enough money to buy such an item... oh wait... I forgot... I didn't save it, I bought RAM instead. :(
    - Hyperbolix
    • There is a growing trend amoung 15 to 25 year old hicks who are into country music to watch ST:TNG episodes,

      There are worse things "15 to 25 year old hicks" could watch than a show that teaches them some degree of tolerance and responsibility.

    • I'm afraid I've noticed the same thing. Even before TNN started showing TNG I was noticing a large number of red necks and hicks saying things like "Ah shore lahk that thar Star Trek show!" with a big grin missing half a dozen teeth.
      Of course, I used to be glued to the TV, whenever Star Trek was on, back in the 70s when I was in elementary school.
    • Growing trend? Source, please.

      TNN dropped the "Nashville Network" from its name, and is re-inventing itself as a "normal" cable channel. Most likely due to declining ratings. How better to get an instant leg up than to purchase a series guaranteed to bring the kind of viewers your station wants? While they watch Star Trek: The Political Correctness, endless advertising for other TNN programming is constantly broadcast. TNN is operated by MTV Networks, a division of, wait for it...Viacom

      TNG isn't science fiction at all...it's a drama, set on a starship. The series is about the interactions between people and cultures. The writers merely put [TECH] when something is required to be explained, and someone else comes up with the technobabble later. They never discuss science-y, Tom Clancyish things like the exact capabilites of the ship's sensors or weapons. How many photon torpedoes does it take to get to the chewy candy center of a Romulan warbird? The world may never know.

  • It could be that you forgot to use the new cover sheet on your T.P.S. reports and no one bothered to tell you.

  • An Ex-Trek Fan Speaks About The Club Scene (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Joel Rowbottom ( 89350 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @06:00AM (#3664368) Homepage
    In the early 1990's I was involved in a Star Trek club here in England (that'll be Wakefield Starfleet, affiliated with the NSFA). I spent my pocket money, and subsequently my Saturday-job money, on Trek books and memorabilia. It was good back then because we hadn't been overloaded with books, comics, magazines, figurines, playsets, videos, special-edition videos, DVDs, CDs, blah blah blah blah blah. I went to the occasional convention in the UK as funds would allow, and enjoyed watching episodes of Classic and Next Gen.

    As time went on I went to University and lost interest around the time of Deep Space Nine, when Berman took over and made it into a 'franchise'. I think I've seen a total of 10 episodes of Voyager, but it didn't really 'inspire' me. Sure, the films give me a bit of a 'buzz' - I've bought them on DVD - but that was about it.

    Now, some 10 years later, I'm moving house and find all my old stuff - the uniforms I made, the books, etc. So I decide to eBay the books (a collection of around 100 Trek books, including original 1960's editions) and it goes for £50. That's about $75 in your money. Pathetic, isn't it? I see the huge amount of Trek crap on eBay, and there's lots of people selling it but nobody really buying it.

    Now I'm not even bothering with the rest of the stuff like the comics, etc. because the hassle of me shipping them to a buyer outweighs the benefit of the money in my bank account - may as well just stuff them in the attic and wait until someone comes along who might want them.

    I can't seem to find any decent conventions or clubs in the UK either - all the clubs which sprang up (anyone remember Ten Forward, or the National Starfleet Alliance?) have long since disappeared.

    Perhaps we've all just grown up. Or the constant milking of the 'franchise' left us all with sour tastes in the mouth. Me, I'm married with a kid now and enjoy watching Enterprise with my wife, and still I can't bring myself to throw out the old uniforms. They'll do for a fancy dress party I suppose ;)

    • "So I decide to eBay the books...and it goes for £50. That's about $75 in your money. ...lots of people selling it but nobody really buying it."

      You know you're a real Star Trek fanatic when you buy your memorabilia from yourself.

    • I think I've seen a total of 10 episodes of Voyager

      Oooh, did you get to see the one where they almost got off the island?? [voyager.gilligans.island]

    • Books never seem to do well on eBay, from the sellers point of view.
      Like you, I decided to unload a bunch of my old Star Trek stuff that I'd gotten way back in the 1970s.
      It was about 2 years ago and went something like:
      Phaser Battle (electronic game) : $75
      Bridge Play Set : $50
      Large Action Figures (10" or so) : $15-30 each
      About 10 years ago I sold issues 1-10 of the Gold Key Star Trek comics but I forget now what I got for them...close to $100 for the first one and it went down from there. They weren't in the best of shape or I'm sure I'd have gotten more.
    • I think the moment everything started to cost an arm and a leg started the downturn with me that and teh fact our local affliate moved teh shows arouns like every week because we were nto a fulltime UPN affiliate. Also, it seems, to me they are not bringing new shows/stuff out as often as they used to. Enterprise is a good show, but the should have continued into the future (say where the TIme Ship in Voyager came from). I would have liked to see the Domnion War finish and a few other things like that. I also find it funny the Figures I used to pay 6 bucks for I can get at Big Lots for 2.99. Also our local "Sci-FI" Convention does more stuff about fantasy (dragons and crap) then hard science sci-fi (as goofy as soem of it is, Star Trek is what I consider hard Sci Fi along with Star Wars....b5 is alittle too mistifying for me).

  • The real source of that stain (Score:4, Funny)

    by seldolivaw ( 179178 ) <me&seldo,com> on Saturday June 08, 2002 @06:07AM (#3664380) Homepage
    "I did not sleep with that ensign..."

  • The chair belongs in the Smithsoniam (Score:5, Insightful)

    by eclectro ( 227083 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @06:20AM (#3664394)
    The chair really belongs in a museum. It would really be a shame if some private collector snatched it up somewhere and put it in his rec room to never see the light of day again.

    • This is exactly the type of thing the Smithsonian needs and wants for their media section. There was a lot of interesting TV stuff when I went there, and I'm sure this would be a hell of a nice addition. Question is, does the Smithsonian have $100000 for a chair? Aren't they funded by tax dollars? myria ^_^
    • Yes I agree. Infact I think Paramount shouldn't have thrown or given away the whole set, but donated it to the Smithsonian. Star Trek is one thing that inspires many people to do things for equal rights, space exploration, and a whole host of other things. I think it's a crime that most of whats left is a single chair if they pitched the whole set or gave it away.

      I'd like to be able to go to a museum and show any kids I have in the future that chair. They'll look at me like I'm crazy because of the latest Star Trek that looks super real, but it's nice to say, "This is where it all began."
      • Blockquoth the poster:

        Infact I think Paramount shouldn't have thrown or given away the whole set, but donated it to the Smithsonian.

        Look, I love ST:TOS too and I grew up wanting to be Kirk or Spock, but let's face facts: When Star Trek went off the air in 1969, it was just this moderately-successful TV show, sailing into the sunset after a respectable but not record-breaking three seasons. It wasn't thought to be a phenomenon, a classic, or a national treasure. Trek occupies a place, now, in the culture not due to the show itself but due to the die-hard, never-give-up, even obsessive nature of its fan base durng the 1970s and (less so) 1980s, who kept the show alive through ways essentially unheard-of before (comics, conventions, fanfic).


        No one -- no one -- in 1969 knew this stuff would be important. It's unreasonable to expect them to have saved it.

    • When I was in DC, in 92 or so, the Smithsonian ran a Star Trek Exhibit.


      I distinctly recall the chair being in it.


      I just googled for it, and the exhibit is the number 2 question in the faq [si.edu]

    • It is not inconcievable that there were more than one "Captain's Chair". Considering the number of practical jokes that were played on various cast members, like Shatner...it seems that he had an ongoing weight-gain problem as the average season went on...and they would purposely take camera angles to emphesize this...it wouldn't suprise me that they once made a captain's chair that was slightly smaller as a practical joke.

      Gods, I know too much about Star Trek, the Original!

      ttyl
      Farrell
    • The chair really belongs in a museum. It would really be a shame if some private collector snatched it up somewhere and put it in his rec room to never see the light of day again.

      Back in 1992, the Smithsoniam, in fact, had a Star Trek exhibit. Among other things, they had the origial navigation panel (the one Sulu would sit at). It was in pretty bad condition; looking at it live, it looked a lot more cheaply built than it ever did seeing it on the show.

      I don't remember seeing the captain's chair at the exhibit.

      - Sam

    • Actually, it was in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum for a while in a Star Trek Exhibit. I'm even pretty sure it was the authentic one from the set (I've got a couple pictures of me sitting in it around here somewhere). I think this would have been about eight years ago.

  • Bob Justman's original handwritten notes creating the "Wesley Crusher" character for TNG. [ebay.com]

    Anyone want to organise a fund so that we can buy them for Wil? [slashdot.org]. ;-)

    • No, I'd like to buy the notes so I can fold them, spindle them, mutilate them, shred them, crucify them, expose them to radiation, write swastikas and inverted pentagraphs all over them, and feed them to a doberman so I can collect the resulting shit, coat it with superglue, and throw it in Bob Justman's face for coming up with the idea of WESLEY.

      Then, I'll find out who created Guinan.

  • Don't do anything rash (Score:5, Funny)

    by Chazmati ( 214538 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @08:09AM (#3664504)
    Before anyone sells their house for this low-budget TV show prop, give that Hoagy guy a call... if he can build his own cityscape [slashdot.org] he can probably set you up with a real nice Kirkholder for much less!

    Props to Hoagy. He should be working for Hollywood.
  • I remember going to a Star Trek convention and one of the things was the actual captians chair was suppose to be there. But they ended up not showing it because somebody stole part of it. (I heard the arm of the chair). Makes me wonder how legit it is.

    • The auction listing refers to one repaired section, involving the armrest. This seems to correspond to your experience. This is the real deal.

  • Shatner Comments on Chair Auction (Score:3, Informative)

    by ErikBaard ( 452757 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @09:03AM (#3664586)
    Mark Baard had an exclusive break on this story with WIRED back on May 22:
    http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,52700,00 . tml

    He subsequently posted comments from William Shatner to his personal website:

    http://www.baard.com/

    So yes, you somehow missed it.
  • I hate to be one of those "remember when Slashdot [fill in blank]" people, but remember when Slashdot would have run a story on a guy that made his own and posted the pics on how to do it?
  • The reviewer need not worry as Trek retains a vast amount of geekiness to it. Exploring strange new worlds and feeling up alien green women isn't for the faint of heart.

    Actually, as a fair weather fan of the series, it's getting so i can't stand it. It's too clean and everything fits into a nice, one hour box. No sharp edges and the characters remain rather static in their personalities compared to other series of the type.
  • This was on the Cnet Radio Show "Kovsky & Crisis [cnet.com]" about two or three weeks ago. They even had an extended interview with the guy responsible for putting together the action. If memory serves me correctly, someone associated with the show was also a major collector, and had all of this stuff. he died, hence the sell off.

    Note - You can now listen to Cnet Radio on the air on 890 AM Radio in Boston. which is kinda cool, having a geek radio station to listen to in Boston. It is actually located in Dedham, and is a little under powered (You really can't hear it in providence, for example.)

  • $80k. Eighty Thousand Dollars. For a chair, used in a bad TV series? I'll bet the guy working for $6 an hour who built this thing is crapping his pants about now. Honestly, the complete idiocy of collectors amazes me. Dammit, it is hard enough to be interested in computers, science, and other things considered to be geeky without all the damn Trekkies making us look bad. Everyone assumes that if you are into computers, you are into all things trek. It was a bad, dumb show. And don't go off spouting your drivel about how it was amazing for it's time, blah blah, I DON'T CARE.

    Yes, it is amazing that this prop would sell for $80k or more, but go in the Smithsonian, as someone suggested? OMFG please! Just let it go. Take a step back, and look at your damn self. Stop. Just stop.

    • I'll bet the guy working for $6 an hour who built this thing is crapping his pants


      6 bucks an hour in 1964 would be one a hell of a wage for a studio carpenter. And I bet he is probably crapping in his drawers!

    • Ever watch those appraisal shows on PBS or BBC? Tens of thousands of dollars for 19th century gradeschool needlepoint, thousands for 1930's tin toys, the list is much longer and far more frivolous. Value is created by a complex matrix of criteria and rarely reflects an object's utility. Is a quartet of stamps with an inverted bi-plane really worth that much? In this regard Trekkers are no worse than any other collectors.
      • I've got some karma to burn so here goes. I am required to use Politically Correct terminology for various disabled, diseased, and ethnic conditions. Now I suppose an extreme Trekkie could be said to have a disability of perspective but that is taking a ridiculous thing (PC) too far.

        There is no such thing as a `Trekker'. It is a pathetic attempt to regain the last shard of self respect they lost when Shatner told them to move out of their parents' basement and get lives. There's the trekkie who girlfriend is going to dump him if he doesn't give up being the head of his college Vulcan council, he gave up the pussy for the pointed ears. Another trekkie showed up for OJ trial jury duty in her Starfleet uniform.

        In case the point isn't clear, Trekker is a pathetic attempt of people who take a tv show waaaay too seriously to wrap the mantle of Political Correctness around themselves. So Trekkies, move out of your parents' basement! Get a girlfriend! Get a job! Show up for jury duty in sensible clothes! Get a life!

    • Re:I would love to destroy this thing... (Score:4, Funny)

      by NanoGator ( 522640 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @06:06PM (#3666199) Homepage Journal
      "Everyone assumes that if you are into computers, you are into all things trek. It was a bad, dumb show."

      I'm curious what you consider to be a good show, then. I seriously think you're judging ST for the wrong reasons.

      The reason that Trek is popular among geeks is that the depicted world of the future is more pleasing to live in if you're a geek.

      For example: You can tell the computer "go find me some porn I like!" and boom, you'll get porn you like. Today, we haveta scour the web manually for that. That sucks.

      Another example: I want a burger and fries right now. But *gasp* I have to walk for 15 minutes to do that! That sucks! In Star Trek, you'd walk up to your replicator, say "Burger and fries, Burgerville style." And boom, you have a burger and fries, Burgerville style.

      Here's yet another example: I have to walk 3/4ths of a mile to work every day. This sucks! Well, in Star Trek, I could just say "Beam me up!".

      One more example: Isn't it a pain in the butt to get a phone number of some chick? Face it: Most chicks don't wanna talk about computers, and none of them are impressed if you're running Linux. (Actually, you lose points for that, as a woman I dated pointed out.) Well, fear no more! In the Star Trek universe, you could just say "Wiggam to Portman, c'mon girl, my tricorder says that your hair is not in need of washing!" You couldn't do that today!

      As you can see, the world of Star Trek is quite appealing and serves as an acceptable template for the future. Geeks have a lot to be happy about when the world churns out one more Trek-like device.

  • as long as we're on the topic of collecting props, fox is auctioning off a lot of their old x-files props.

    http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/fox_auction/
  • Please note the stain on the carpet by where the Cap.s right foot would be. Think maybe he got too scared in a Klingon battle?
  • "Mounted into the base of the chair is a power cord wired to the sockets and, when powered, would illuminate the colored epoxy resin buttons and switches (one of the epoxy resin "lights" is missing). "

    Hmmm... uh... one of the lights is missing here... and Naugahide... not real crazy about that material... I'm going to have to ask for $3000 off your asking price, what with all the repairs I'm going to have to make....

  • I can't seem to find the newcomers so...

    And yes quatloos is how you spell it in The Gamesters of Triskelion

  • Too bad.... (Score:3, Funny)

    by ZoneGray ( 168419 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @11:59AM (#3664973) Homepage
    Too bad all the dot-coms are gone. One of them would have paid a bundle for it as part of their "branding strategy", and then some lucky employee would have gotten to take it home when they folded.
  • Apparantly, somebody stole [scifi.com] the captain's chair from the Enterprise E bridge set of the upcoming Star Trek: Nemesis film during production.

    Wonder how long before THAT one shows up on Ebay ...

  • But only for a second.

    See, there's no cup holders.

    Wouldn't fit with my lifestyle.

  • I'm willing to bet (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    bluethundr, do you have a girlfriend?

  • Star Trek bridge simulator (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Animats ( 122034 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @01:30PM (#3665269) Homepage
    Get the people building their own aircraft cockpits (on slashdot recently) together with the people with the Star Trek bridge parts, and make a working simulator.
  • eBay is also auctioning tons [ebay.com] of really cool memos from Bob Justman.

    The one which caught my eye [ebay.com] says:
    "Next problem. No Wes. We have Will Wheaton on a 13 out of 13 deal -- just like our other regulars. We pay him whether we photograph him or not. If we don't use him, all his teenybopper fans are going to be disappointed and we won't be taking advantage of one of our new show's greatest assets. I'm told we're not using him because our writers don't' know how to write for him. I find that hard to believe. They're writers, aren't they? I know damn well that *you* can write him -- so why don't you show them how? Put him in a scene. I know you can do it. Another problem solved." "Listen to what Rick Berman has to say about this script -- and everything else, for that matter. He's smart and has very good ideas. He's already a great asset to you and 'Star Trek'. I'm sure that, as time zooms by, he'll become even more valuable."
    • > Put him in a scene. I know you can do it.

      I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that just about every writer then immediately did a "Wesley" script, but then was some dispute invoving the writers, so instead of spreading the Wesley scripts over a while they used them all close together because that was all that was available, and that overuse is where the alt.ensign.wesley.die.die.die type backlash started.

      Personally I found Wesley a somewhat irritating character, but didn't think that was the actor's fault. It's good to find out Wil is actually a pretty cool guy, (or has one amazing PR setup faking his website etc. :-) ).

      Changing universes, I briefly worked with someone who had an original Millennium Falcon model because he'd worked on special effects for the film. That was cool.
      • Listen to what Rick Berman has to say about this script -- and everything else, for that matter

      Listen to Rick Berman. Rick is good, Rick is wise. Obey the Word of Rick. Obey. OBEY!

      Kind of how it went? ;-)

  • Star Trek is not geeky it's Nerdy.
    The old one is cheesy. They *all* have bad acting (with a few exceptions like Patrick Stewart). They all have bad writing.
    In Star Trek if somebody has a bump on his nose, or slightly different ears, but otherwise looks human, he's an alien. What's that about?
    I saw one episode of DS9 (the first), where Cisco had to teach an entity that lived outside of our time stream. If the thing is simultaneously at all points on our timeline, how can it learn? It should know now, what it knew 100000000 years ago, and will know 1000000000 year from now, because to it all three points are the same.
    (Not a troll, I just *really* don't like Star Trek, or people assuming I do, cuz I like Star Wars, anime, etc.).

  • More cool stuff, affordable by mere mortals (Score:3, Informative)

    by kindbud ( 90044 ) on Saturday June 08, 2002 @02:28PM (#3665471) Homepage
    Looks like most of Bob Justman's collection is being auctioned off - in person, or absentee via eBay - on June 27.

    The list of items on the block is here [ebay.com]. It includes such things as:I think I might bid on this one: Gorn head mask - Star Trek - Arena [ebay.com] - $1000.00

    Yeah!
  • The right hand side should have lights on it as well, it only has push buttons. Haven't any of you watched the show?

    You can sort of see it in the still from the show. But there several close ups of the right control panel, and that is NOT the real chair.

    That might be the one they build for "Relics" (STTNG), but that is not the original chair.
  • Anyone else notice this? A couple pics of the chair, some detailed closeups, and then a pic of the chair on the bridge with everyone lying around dead?

    Interesting advertising. . .
  • It was tea. Earl Grey. Hot.
    Available long before the 23rd century.

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