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Buffy Staked Again By Emmys 474

Posted by CmdrTaco from the dead-in-the-water dept.
jonerik writes "Despite six witty, intelligent seasons, 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' has never been able to catch a break from the folks at the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences who vote on the annual Emmy Awards, with the show's nine nominations to date (with no wins) being mostly in technical categories. And, according to this piece from E! Online, when the ballots for this year's Emmy nominations were sent out in early June, this season's musical tour de force, 'Once More With Feeling,' was inexplicably left out of list of shows eligible for the Outstanding Writing in a Drama Series catefory. The academy has attempted to correct its error by sending out postcards to Emmy voters informing them that they can, in fact, vote for the episode, but the fix is probably too little, too late. According to awards-show expert Tom O'Neil, 'It entailed such extraordinary effort that it was unlikely the voters would do it even if they loved the episode. So it definitely curses its chances.' If you missed it the first time around, 'Once More With Feeling' will be re-run tomorrow evening at 8pm eastern time on UPN."
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  • Geez... Buffy Rocks!! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by eyegor ( 148503 )
    I think the problem (at least one of them, anyway) is that it's not "serious" enough. Given the other drek that wins constantly, I'm not sure being "serious" is such a good thing.

  • Rerun is edited (Score:5, Informative)

    by gwernol ( 167574 ) on Monday July 01, 2002 @05:57PM (#3803509)
    The rerun of Once More With Feeling is defintely worth catching, but be warned that this is a cut down episode. The full length episode is 8 minutes longer than the standard "1 hour" slot, and it was announced at the time of the original showing that future airings would be of a much shorter version without the additional 8 minutes of footage.

    I believe you'll have to wait for the Season 6 DVD to be published before you can see the full episode again.
    • If you're lucky enough to subscribe to Daily Variety magazine you might have gotten a copy. Fox included a DVD of "OMWF" in an issue about a month or so ago. The DVD does contain the full 'Director's Cut' of the ep.

      Copies on eBay range from $50-$200. Good luck and watch out for VCDs

      Pete
    • Ya, that one wasn't too bad, but I must say that season 6 as a whole was just too "Soap Operay" for me and everyone else I know that is a fan. My girlfriend and I just bought season 2 on DVD and that was really good. Up to season 5 it was good, 6 kinda stunk. They only have one more season then it is gone, and they decided to make Britney Spears a Demon in a few episodes next year. A plus I guess, more T and A to watch! Maybe Willow will kick the wica crap.

      • Re:Rerun is edited (Score:3, Informative)

        by ttyRazor ( 20815 )
        the whole "Britney Spears a Demon" is a perennial rumor that has been repeatedly debunked yet keeps getting dug up and reported as truth by entertainment news hacks. Not gonna happen.
    • Anybody know what exactly is cut out of this version? 8 minutes seems like a lot.
      • I have both the long and short version on my TiVo, they cut out 8 of the 10 minutes of real dialog.

      • Re:Rerun is edited (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        The main cuts are:
        - The overture -- people bustling around upstairs getting ready for the day while Buffy lies in bed listening to her alarm clock ring.
        - Buffy's "It doesn't matter" verse from "I've Got a Theory"
        - A verse from Spike's "Rest in Peace"
        - Dawn's dance
        - a verse from "Walk Through the Fire"

        Various and sundry bits of dialog were also cut here and there.

  • Inexplicable? (Score:3, Funny)

    by clontzman ( 325677 ) on Monday July 01, 2002 @05:58PM (#3803523) Homepage
    I do not think the word "inexplicable" means what CmdrTaco thinks it means.

  • Slashdot (Score:2, Flamebait)

    by Bouncings ( 55215 )
    <bitch> Slashdot has hit a new low by announcing news that didn't happen. And in related news, Star Wars Episode 2 will not be nominated for best picture. Sorry to let you all down in advance. ;-) </bitch>

    Dare I say, who cares about shows on the WB and why is this a headline?

    • Re:Slashdot (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      It's some sort of marketing deal. Slashdot hypes the show which is to be rebroadcast tomorrow night, and Malda gets some sort of stuffed Buffy doll or whatnot.

      • Re:Slashdot (Score:4, Funny)

        by krow ( 129804 ) <brian@@@tangent...org> on Monday July 01, 2002 @06:17PM (#3803651) Homepage Journal
        What sort of doll are we talking about?
      • Dear sir, I think you mean the BuffyBot [fcpages.com]!

        For those of you who do not know, there was a point where Buffy was dead (OK, so this happens a couple of times :-). Buffy's friends create a robot version of Buffy, so all the demons do not know she is dead. If they knew this, the demons would realize there would be no one to stop them. So, the BuffyBot was a preventative measure. (Think a blonde firewall)

        And before you ask how a bunch of kids could create a robot...one of them is a geeky computer-type (who is also a babe [imdb.com]), and there was also an early episode that featured a crazy robot (which maybe they reverse-engineered?).

        The BuffyBot did have flaws. It's AI wasn't as good as it could have been, and the robot wasn't very durable. However, these factors can be excused, given that it still looked great in leather pants. >:)

        • Actually the BuffyBot was commissioned by Spike the vamp, for the purpose of being his animatronic sex toy.

          After the real Buffy found out, she confiscated it. Vampires don't have property rights, it seems.

          After she died, the Scoobies (actually CS student Willow did the programming, Xander the hardware) brought the BuffyBot back for the purpose of posing as the real Slayer.
    • "Dare I say, who cares about shows on the WB and why is this a headline?"

      Any show that uses ultra-geeks as pseudo-villains/comic relief is definite Slashdot material. I mean how often on TV do you see people pause during a game of D&D to decide to take over the world? When was the last time you saw someone threatened with the destruction of a rare Boba Fett figure as a means of coercion?

      There's some hilarious, geek-centric humor in the show. The problem is that too many people automatically write it off has just generic horror/comedy/pretty girls.

  • Wow. What a coincidence that this story pops up, and surprise, the episode in question just happens to be scheduled to broadcast again tomorrow night.

    This isn't some sort of tie-in deal is it?
  • They could always run it again next season, retitling it as "Once More (AGAIN!) With Feeling, Take Two."

    I never could understand the attraction some people hold for the whole Buffy continuum...
    • 1. It's fun. It's enjoyable to watch, by and large.
      2. It has attractive, intelligent and complex characters, especially compared to a lot of lesser "fantasy" type shows like "Charmed".
      3. It's generally well-written. Ok, maybe the characters are a little more well-spoken and witty than most people are in Real Life, but who isn't on TV?
      4. The production values are superb, the special effects are innovative and believable, and the action sequences are exciting.

      I'd say those are good reasons to watch a TV show. Any deeper arguments about tapping into cultural mythos, teenage identity crisis etc. may be debatable, but are really just a bonus.
  • It's not a well-written show.

  • Who cares? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by LoRdTAW ( 99712 )
    Ok everyone, if you dont want to see bullshit news like this one turn it off in your prefrences.

    • Re:Who cares? (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonvmous Coward ( 589068 )
      Heh what's funny is that people posting 'this is not the news we want!' is actually causing topics like this to be considered more. If this story reaches 400 comments, then that'll mean more ad revenue for Sr. Taco because it means people are actively reading it.

      It's kinda like buying an SUV because you hate OPEC. Heh.

  • Buffy is the best writing on TV (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jeff13 ( 255285 ) on Monday July 01, 2002 @06:13PM (#3803628) Homepage
    What, you think LAW&ORDER is the best writing? Grow up!

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the most popular show in my crowd - I'm 30ish, my friends are generally Masters grades in the arts... they're not a kind audience. Think about it, the Simpsons get Emmys right?

    I love Buffy. The past season was masterful. Joss Whedon has really accomplished something special, just as the cast and crew have. Truly epic story telling. Into the hell-mouth with those Emmy jerks! This old Hollywood snobbery about Sci-Fi and Fantasy fiction has gotta go! It's the 21st Century people! Put the half-calf' down and wise up! This is great stuff... on TV!

    • Re:Buffy is the best writing on TV (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I'm in the 30s group, too; but I chose a career that paid the bills, not a hobby that keeps me poor.

      Buffy is crap; and it hasn't been on my TV in years.
    • I live in the UK, not the US, so I don't consider this list exhaustive, but here are a handful of US imports that I watch that have award-calibre writing:

      1. Law & Order [imdb.com] : A cops and lawyers drama series with some excellent dialogue. Amongst the regulars, Det. Lennie Briscoe (played by Jerry Orbach [imdb.com]) and EADA Jack McCoy (Sam Waterston [imdb.com]) have the best lines - perhaps some of the wittiest and sharpest on TV at the moment. The other members of the cast are less blessed - because the characters they play are less vivacious - but they still get to deliver some cutting one-liners.

      2. The West Wing [imdb.com] : What can I say? The best thing on TV. Well written, well acted, thought-provoking yet often heart-touching drama. OK, so President Jed Bartlett (Martin Sheen [imdb.com]) lives in a world with fewer shades of grey than the real one but the contrast between a President that knows what he's talking about and the clown that's currently in the Oval Office is striking - as is the quality of this show.

      3. C.S.I.: Crime Scene Investigation [imdb.com] : Once again, great penmanship but complimented by some great special effects. Gil Grissom (William L. Petersen [imdb.com]), head of the crime lab, gets the best lines (as all male leads tend to do) but even the lab geek, Greg Sanders (Eric Szmanda [imdb.com]), gets some smart scenes of his own.

      There are others that I can mention too - mini-series such as 24 and Band Of Brothers spring to mind - but Buffy The Vampire Slayer is way, way down the list.
      • I beg to differ. When Orbach is given some real screen time to act, he's great: but for most shows, his "witty" lines consist of looking at a dead body and uttering a painful pun. "Boy, you sure got shot in the head".... beat... into credits.
        These days, this show is all about McCoy. Everyone else CAN put in good performances, but are rarely called upon to do so. The new lawyer, blonde chick from Angel, is just awful (her line readings are robotic, right down to her neverhchanging dead-eyed glazed stare).

  • The Best Musical Ever (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ajs ( 35943 ) <{ajs} {at} {ajs.com}> on Monday July 01, 2002 @06:14PM (#3803638) Homepage Journal
    Ok, I'm being slightly hyperbolic, but when you compare "Once More With Feeling" to other musicals in it's genre (comedy/horror) you have Little Shop of Horrors and The Rocky Horror Picture Show. There must be others, but that's what I can think of. I love both of those, but OMWF just blew me away. The episode stands on its own (I know, since I wasn't a Buffy fan when I first saw it), and it only gets more engrosing as you become more familliar with the series (e.g. I just loved the "bunnies" bit from Anya, but it got even funnier when I saw the previous holloween episode).

    If you're a fan of the series and have friends who have held out, I strongly suggest that you tie them to their chairs for this showing (even though it's cut-down), but then if you're a fan you probably knew that :-)

    It's too bad that this episode kicked off (with a couple of set-up episodes) the least appealing season so far. I'm looking forward to next season though. I just hope Firefly and Angel don't take too much out of the creative team....
    • Ok, I'm being slightly hyperbolic, but when you compare "Once More With Feeling" to other musicals in it's genre (comedy/horror) you have Little Shop of Horrors and The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

      Oh my, not even close. The musical episode of Buffy is only interesting to severe Buffy fans, like my wife. Whereas Little Shop and Rocky Horror stand alone as great musicals. To be "best in it's genre", it has to be a little more than an in-joke for Buffy fans.

      (Disclaimer: I was forced to watch it because my wife was in the hospital having a baby, so I wasn't allowed to leave the room as I normally do when Buffy comes on.)

      The lyrics were terrible. Most of the cast had terrible voices, except for "The Adult" (Giles?) and one other chicky-poo. Certainly not Gellar, certainly not Hannigan, certainly not Buffy's sister, the worst of the bunch.

      Even my wife, who is a rabid Buffy fan, admitted that it was terrible. (That's because she's also is a musician, and likes musicals.)

      I'll admit that I've never given Buffy a serious chance, so I can't properly pass judgement on the show itself. (The few episodes I have seen seemed silly squared.) It might have been a good Buffy episode in the context of other Buffy episodes, but it certainly was not a good musical in context of other musicals.

      • Most of the cast's bad voices were essential to the premise of that episode! I'm tired of most people not understanding that, even some of the cast members.

        Look, in real life, if you bust out singing, who wants to listen? Unless you're unusually good, nobody. You're probably a poor or mediocre singer, as am I and are most people.

        So, in order for the characters to believably be under the influence of a song-and-dance causing demon, they should sing just as well as the average person, with few exceptions.

        This not only reinforces the suspension of disbelief for the show, but plays off the long tradition of musicals, particularly movies, which normally dub over any less-than-stellar singing voice of an actor with the voice of a professional singer. That's fine for those movies, because they exist in their own little magical world which doesn't bat an eye at spontaneous song-and-dance numbers.

        "Once More, With Feeling" intentionally pointed out the basic weirdness of the little musical parallel universe all those movies and plays inhabit. It's akin to Cervante's Don Quixote, which extrapolated the plots of popular romantic adventure novels of the day to find that in real life, such behavior would be odd, suicidal and insane (though very funny).
  • According to www.emmys.com, the nominees arn't released until July 18th. Who has the time machine.

    Anyway, shows that push genre boundries always have trouble getting nominated. Don't you remember when Simpsons couldn't get nominated for best comedy because it was a cartoon. Same with Northern Exposure, because it was an hour long, and hence couldn't be a comedy.

    I guess they need a best PoMo series.

  • Change to tagline request... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Kredal ( 566494 ) on Monday July 01, 2002 @06:24PM (#3803699) Homepage Journal
    Shouldn't that be "Undead-in-the-water" dept?

  • Long Live OMWF! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by JohnA ( 131062 ) <johnanderson&gmail,com> on Monday July 01, 2002 @06:24PM (#3803700) Homepage
    Man, does that suck. Once more, with feeling is one of the best episodes of any show ever aired. Whether you love or hate Buffy creator Joss Whedon, you have to appreciate the sheer chutzpah required to create a musical episode in the style of the classic Rodgers & Hammerstein musicals.

    If you have not seen the show, do yourself a favor and *ahem* acquire the music. Hearing the cast sing is alone worth the download (Well, maybe not Alyson Hannigan, but...).

    • But how can any geek not appreciate meta-lyrics like:

      (Willow) I think this line's mostly filler... o/`

      ...particularly with the nice twist that the meta-lyric about the 'filler line' being represented by 'I think this line's mostly filler' is given to the one character most likely to have self-doubts about her performing abilities, and most likely to think that no matter what the line actually was? :D

      For _good_ singing I'd have to give the nod to Tara and Giles there, with that contrapuntal, emotional bit that resolves into 'wish I could staaaaaay' with a harmony that could cut glass... though I always want to smack Anthony Stewart Head for jamming on the note instead of holding it and letting that harmony ring out :)

  • "For those of you just joining us..." (Score:3, Insightful)

    by eatenn ( 572604 ) <enntee@@@localgod...net> on Monday July 01, 2002 @06:25PM (#3803704) Homepage
    "...everyone here is a crazy person."

    The reason that this is news is not because we're all big fanboys and think Buffy should win an award -- that is not up to us -- the reason this is news is because the musical episode of Buffy, Once More, With Feeling, was not even available as an option on the ballot. How are they supposed to get a fair chance if voters have to go to extra measures to support it? If this happened to your precious X-Files, everyone would be singing a completely different tune. Whether you are a fan of the show or not is not the issue at stake (see me pun).

    Maybe everyone should try reading the entire story before automatically dismissing it as an outcry from pouting fanboys. (But oh yes, there will be those too)

    • What next, are we going to get in a unroar when the grammy's come out too? There are things worth getting worked up about and things (like say award shows) that I could not give a crap ass about.

      And yes I've seen buffy and (this is just my opinion) it sucks ass...

      We now return you to your regularly scheduled slashdot.
    • It wouldn't matter if Buffy was on the ballot. It wouldn't matter if Buffy was the best damn show on TV (Which IMHO it isn't). It still wouldn't win because it's too far out of the mainstream to get the votes. Sorry to bust your bubble but the emmys (and the Oscars and the Grammys, etc) aren't about which is best (a subjective view), they are about self promotion by industry insiders. These people consider Buffy a silly cult show not worthy of their attention let alone their votes. Deal with it, the emmys will go to bland heavly promoted trash or Pompus BS that pretends to be artistic, just like they allways do.
    • "The reason that this is news is not because we're all big fanboys and think Buffy should win an award -- that is not up to us -- the reason this is news is because the musical episode of Buffy, Once More, With Feeling, was not even available as an option on the ballot. "

      uummmm, the specific episod doesn't matter, if it wasn't that episod, you would still be whining.

      Unless you think every tv show should have an episode on the ballot, then you would have a point.

  • Not on the list *eligible* to be nominated (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I think that the fact which most of the previous posts have missed (hey didn't read the article, there's a shocker) is that the episode was left off the list of *eligible* episodes. Not that the show wasn't nominated, but that it *couldn't* be nominated (without following a complex series of instructions applicable only to the Buffy episode). The nominations aren't out yet. Perhaps, though, there will be enough publicity about the mishap, nominators will actually go out and watch the episode, which was, indeed, groundbreaking and unlike anything else on TV last year (or maybe even ever)...

  • What the hell? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Wakko Warner ( 324 )
    Why do Buffy fans act like this show is God's gift to television?

    South Park has had witty, intelligent seasons, too, if that's the yardstick by which Emmy-worthy shows are to be judged.

    - A.P.
    • I can't speak for anyone else obviously but the thing that's gotten to me about Buffy is that's it's consistently very very well written. The acting is also good - but not necessarily better than you'd see elsewhere.

      I think one of the reasons it's not as widely regarded as it could be is the lack of standalone episodes. You really have to get hooked on the seasonal storylines which is a barrier to the casual viewer.
  • Buffy is great!!

    Corporations are evil!!

    Buffy is the product of a corporation!!

    What to do?!?!?!?!

    (Yes, this is rhetorical. It's just greatly amusing to see people bash record companies and anyone else trying to make a buck, and then to see those same people fawn all over a corporately developed and corporately marketed TV show.)
  • I'm sure this'll get modded down as a troll just because I'm not praising buffy, but well, got karma to burn in order to make a point...

    Is Buffy really what passes for good TV nowadays in the US? I'm in the situation of being exposed to it through my girlfriend and her friends, who enjoy it, and I really just can't get into it, as much as I try and want to.

    I find it ludicrous that so many people here seem so enthralled with it - the show has little depth, the characters are one-dimensional, the situations often too... silly to be believable. the plots are predictable and simplistic, and thoroughly unstimulating. compare to xena, hercules or anything like that. it's similar - and they were pap too. for people who call themselves geeks, i would have thought more brain massaging was in order.

    it's light entertainment, that sometimes should be laughed at because some of it is so bad. just like star trek, for instance, should. not that this is a bad thing, it's just bizarre to take it that seriously. the acting's just as bad, too! :)

    if you ARE after a good vampire-centric series, you cannot go wrong with Ultraviolet [world-productions.com] [world-productions.com] (warning, audio on the frontpage!) that actually has a plot (several, wheels within wheels), characters with more than one motivational factor, great acting and directing, much more tension and drama, and overall just a different class.

    if you DO like stuff like Buffy, i urge you to check it out and be blown away. The DVD's available in the US (Amazon.com and others), so you have no excuse.

    Fross
    • you know, the crappier something is, the more vocal there fans are, or so it seems.

      I tried to like Buffy, but its bad on a great many levels.

      I do like vampire shows(perferably the kind where a great many vampires die) so I will check out Ultraviolet. Thanks.
  • U P N

    Oh, also because the show is a soap opera about the undead. How innovative!

    -Dean

  • Have the Buffy bashers even watched any episodes? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sancho ( 17056 ) on Monday July 01, 2002 @07:47PM (#3804243) Homepage
    I really have to wonder how much of a chance these people have given Buffy. I used to think it was the dumbest show on TV, based solely on the premise and having seen one episode. When Buffy died, it made big news on a lot of sites and with several of my friends who were fans of the show. Then FX started rerunning it, and I gave it a shot. I came in around the second season and was hooked. The dialogue is witty (although sometimes predictable). I fell in love with the characters after about three episodes, and began to really care about what happens to them. That's the mark of good characterization. The plots are often contrived, but they're hilarious.

    You really have to watch several consecutive episodes of Buffy to "get" it. The show is meant to be viewed as a whole, not as individual episodes. My bet is that most people who immediately discount it have seen fewer than three episodes, and probably didn't come to the show with an open mind.
    • Then FX started rerunning it, and I gave it a shot. I came in around the second season and was hooked.

      I pretty much followed that same path. I despise Xena, Mutant X and the like, and always saw it as Xena 90210. I'm not a big fan of television, truth be told. I prefer to read.

      But I have loads of friends who are tremendous Buffy fans - most have their PhDs in various fields, and are in their 40s. I finally gave it a shot when I saw that the episode "Hush" was coming on - I recalled that it had been nominated for an Emmy. So I gave it a shot. Now (thanks to FX running two episodes everyday), I've seen every Buffy episode, and think it's, by and large, one of the best written shows around.

      As somebody else said in reply to this same message, if you see one or two episodes, you'll likely dismiss it. I did. I thought it was cheap escapist trash, a "Seventeen Magazine meets Vampire the Masquerade" series. It's only after you get into it that you see the subtlty of some of the things going on, and appreciate the Oscar Wilde like banter.

      Good stuff, for those who appreciate it. For those who don't - ah, well. You have different tastes. It's not like that's a horrible thing.

      --
      Evan "Who prefers Vanilla, but can still be on social terms with those who prefer Chocolate"

    • "You really have to watch several consecutive episodes of Buffy to 'get' it. The show is meant to be viewed as a whole, not as individual episodes. My bet is that most people who immediately discount it have seen fewer than three episodes, and probably didn't come to the show with an open mind."

      Ah, the "Babylon 5" excuse. It's not just a string of episode like that Star Trek crap, it's a _whole_. It's a _story arc_. Watch a whole seaons or couple of seasons of the show and you'll begin to appreciate J. Michael's Straczynski's grand plan.

      Whatever. For all of JMS's design, "Babylon 5" still was badly written (especially when it came to comedy), horribly acted (with the exception of some of the supporting roles), and built up to one of the worst dramatic climaxes I've ever seen in a movie or TV show.

      All of which says nothing about "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", of course, but I was just trying to explain that I'm no longer impressed by the "you can't see just one episode" argument. Either the writing is good--good on the small scale, good on the level of individual conversations and characterizations--or it's not. Either the acting is good, or it's not. No amount of long range planning will make a poorly written and poorly acted TV show good.

      hyacinthus.

    • You've got to give props to a show that pisses off fast-food sponsors by running a story arc with "DoubleMeat Palace", a fast food chain with beef patties and a Secret Ingredient... which of course the expectation is, "AAAAAA the doublemeat patty is people! It's made from people!" ...but in fact, when the secret is exposed, the meat patty is actually made of WOOD pulp (cellulose and vegetable proteins) and the secret ingredient? Rendered beef fat, for flavor.

      "So the secret ingredient in DoubleMeat 'beef' is... beef?"

      Oooooo, the sponsors were maaaad at Joss for that story arc :D I'm given to understand he got in trouble for it and had to back off from the fast food satire. But most of it had already aired, and it's lovely, ruthless, vicious mockery :)

  • the Oscars this year had a similar clerical error (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Bogatyr ( 69476 ) on Monday July 01, 2002 @08:37PM (#3804489) Homepage
    from
    http://news.theolympian.com/specialsections/Acad em yAwards/20020130/9313.shtml

    "``[A Beatiful] Mind'''s Jennifer Connelly is perhaps the most shocking SAG nominee announced Tuesday -- not because she was nominated, but because she was nominated in the ``wrong'' category.Because of a clerical error at Universal Pictures, Connelly was submitted to SAG for consideration in the best-actress category. But in ads in Hollywood trade newspapers, Universal has been pushing Connelly for a best-supporting-actress Oscar nomination. "

  • Very very very dumb (Score:2, Insightful)

    by wackybrit ( 321117 )
    When shows have episodes that totally depart from the usual 'reality' of the show, it's destined for disaster.

    The Simpsons encountered this with the 'Behind The Laughter' episode. Every prank the Simpsons pulled up to that point was within a defined reality of The Simpsons being a 'real' cartoon family. That episode f*cked it all up.

    And the same with this 'musical' episode. Buffy fights vampires, she doesn't dance and sing with them! I'm all for fantasy and adventure, but when you pull a set of characters from a show and make them do what the characters WOULD NOT EVER DO FOR 'REAL' then you've ballsed the whole thing up.

    Ah well, at least Buffy has now 'jumped the shark'.
  • Imagine that the voters actually go through all the trouble of "writing in" OMWF, and it wins the emmy. It would be unprecedented. All of the sudden, Whedon's emmy would be 100 times more valuable than it would've had the voting been fair. Yeah, the whole thing stinks, (even though awards are nothing more than great marketing tools (and ego fodder)), but there's a possibility here for the show to get some MAD props.
  • ..."Love at first Bite"didn't win an oscar!
    GReatest Vampire movie, ever.

    "I don't drink wine, and I don't smoke 'shit'"
    "Its a black chicken!"
    "Creatures of the night, shut up!"

    slashthroat.
    News for Vampires. Stuff that sucks.

    The show humilates nerds, glorifies selling out, and all there good episods are ripoffs.

    to each there own I suppose.

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