Real Will Include Ogg Vorbis Support 328
Skuto writes "Following the example of AOL with Winamp, RealNetworks has decided to give Ogg Vorbis their sign of approval and will be including support into their player software. The press release has more information.
Meanwhile, independent listening tests are being set up to determine how well Vorbis fares against its competitors WMA, AAC and MP3Pro. You can help by signing up for the tests here." A couple of comments (1, 2)
in our previous story provide the best description of what Real is doing, if you missed them.
Anybody (Score:5, Interesting)
Open Source wins again (Score:2, Interesting)
It's good to see companies finally "get" Free Software. I am now going to Real's website to download the latest RealPlayer public alpha for $25, just to show my support for their recent behavior. I encourage every person in the world to do the same.
Linux rules!
A geek format... damn cool, but a geek format... (Score:5, Interesting)
I fear the issue with Ogg Vorbis is that it is not as known as MP3. OK, so Unreal2 uses Ogg Vorbis... but do you honestly believe most gamers really read the manual, and especially the credits? I wouldn't think so.
At my work, I told a few employees about Ogg Vorbis, and absolutely no one ever heard about it. Some even said: "Why would I want to use that? I have MP3 and it works fine!". They simply don't care about patents and such, they just want it to work...
Based upon this, I fear Ogg Vorbis will only be used by geeks. Maybe when major software like Nero can instantly create Ogg files and not just MP3 files when saving tracks, it will be more known by the masses.
Re:Day late. Dollar short. (Score:4, Interesting)
The existence of a defacto standard doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to improve on that standard.
Re:Anybody (Score:1, Interesting)
There's no native player for Windows Media for Linux, and there's so many radio stations out there using Real. I'd prefer they streamed MP3 or Ogg Vorbis, so what choice do I have?
None of the win32 emulating players like aviplay or mplayer are particularly stable yet.
When is someone going to reverse engineer Windows Media? I've tried, but I just don't understand audio encoding enough.
Re:Anybody (Score:3, Interesting)
Ad-Aware would probably do it for you with more ease.
Tim
Re:Ahh, but you forgot one thing.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Now not having a portable Ogg Vorbis player is a whole different story...
Re:Hardware Acceptance (Score:5, Interesting)
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the support. But we'll probally see it adopted much quicker in dedicated MP3 players first, cause they don't have full MPEG support so they aren't getting something for nothing, they just have custom audio decoding software.
Re:Day late. Dollar short. (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, it's the defacto standard for file sharing. For ripping your own CDs, you'd be a fool to stick to mp3 - you can get much better sound in less disk space with Ogg. One place Ogg really needs support is in CD ripping applications, like AudioCatalyst.
See what you can do with your filesharing app to get it to share and search .ogg files - and if it doesn't, lobby the programmers.
Re:Anybody (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not like there's an option to turn off the reporting either. It also doesn't help that the player has falled for the "skin" diesease. As soon as any program picks up the ability to skin itself it ships with the most god-awful interface possible (witness WMP7), often with a loss of functionality (witness WMP7).
Finally, here's a hint for you media player writers: do not open webpages automatically (especially "UPGRADE NOW OR THE BUNNY GETS IT" pages) at startup. If I wanted to go to a webpage I would have started my web browser.
Re:Anybody (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, if you follow the "underground", and by underground, I mean the message boards on sites similar to doom9.org - divx.com, etc, ogg is about to explode. Support is included in winamp 2.80. I would say once the college year starts up, they're going to get extremely popular. Once the CD Burning programs support oggs the same way they do mp3s, it's going to take off. For now, I guess we use waveout in winamp to slam them into wave files. Soon (i.e. once a large number of the "underground" people have ogg codecs installed), Gordion Knot will support DVD rips with ogg files. It's right up their alley - variable bitrate and all that.
~Will
Uh, this is a good thing? (Score:3, Interesting)
To think that it's a victory for OGG that another 'mainstreme' app supports it is assinine.
All this means is, if you have to install Real for certian media, it will take over the file extension and it will take that much longer to load and that much more tracking of your online habits.
We need to stop cheering whenever some big, sloppy crappy application takes a shine to an otherwise good format, and start enjoying the format as it stands.