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More on the Effect of Digital TV 355

EyesWideOpen writes "Here is an interesting article at Wired which mentions that existing DVR devices (Tivo, ReplayTV) aren't equipped to handle the digital TV signal that broadcasters are scheduled to start delivering in 2006. Also mentioned is a proposal being considered by the FCC that would allow cable companies to 'turn off' the firewire port, which DVR's will use to connect to digital televisions, so that some broadcasts can't be recorded. The proposal is being considered no doubt in response to fears like that of MPAA head Jack Valenti who has said that without proper security measures, the industry won't allow its movies to be broadcast because they don't want viewers to record 'perfect copies' of movies."
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  • So...? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Quixotic137 ( 26461 ) <pjennings-slashdot2.pjennings@net> on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @12:53PM (#4025743) Homepage
    Of course I haven't read the article (this is Slashdot for God's sake), but does this really matter? My TV isn't equipped for DTV either, but the FCC (and others) have been saying for years that I will just need a converter box to get an analog signal for my TV. Couldn't I just use that on my TiVo?
  • Same old Shit (Score:5, Interesting)

    by siskbc ( 598067 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @12:56PM (#4025770) Homepage
    This is the same guy that said VCRs would kill the TV and movie industry 15+ years ago. The same people that were worried that people would tape everything they wanted off of the radio.

    There are, and always will be, tangiable benefits to being able to buy a copy, assuming they price them reasonably. If people are willing to have crappy, off-the-air (even digital) copies, with no bonus footage that comes with DVD's, then that says something about the price of DVD's, doesn't it?

    And anyway, how long does it take for movies to get to broadcast anyway? 2 Years? Who waits that long?

    This guy is as paranoid as those freaks who have bomb shelters and 2 years of rations in their basements.

  • Simple Solution (Score:4, Interesting)

    by NumberSyx ( 130129 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @01:00PM (#4025809) Journal
    If my cable company renders my Tivo usless, I will no longer have any use for thier service and I will cancel. Sure I loose the cost of my TiVo, but it would only take about 6 months of not having to pay a cable bill to recover the cost of my TiVo.
  • by ianscot ( 591483 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @01:03PM (#4025829)
    Just how "imperfect" does something have to be before I'm allowed to watch it?

    I mean, "fullscreen" movies on most cable outlets have a significant part of the original widescreen image lopped off. Isn't that imperfect enough for Jack Valenti? How about if he takes the sound down to simple mono and superimposes a silhouette of himself at the bottom of the screen, delivering meant-to-be-funny lines about the movie MST3K-style? Is that bad enough? Or does he need the cable company to agree on subpar cabling, too, so I get some ghosting?

    The Federal Communications Commission is considering a proposal that would allow cable companies to turn off the firewire port.

    So I buy a TiVO because I really, really don't want to miss your programming but you scheduled "Cheers III: the redemption of Cliff" at 1 AM while I'm at work. You, in response to this infamous behavior on my part, hack my machine so I can't see it? Way to twist your head up your *ssh*le. What industry thinks that way?

  • by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @01:11PM (#4025913)
    "Jack Valenti [...] has said that without proper security measures, the industry won't allow its movies to be broadcast because they don't want viewers to record 'perfect copies' of movies."

    Alright, so you're saying that if you don't deny digital recording of digital television, you won't sell your product to TV broadcasters. So you're getting less money from fewer sales to broadcasters and you're also getting less money from people who might have bought a real copy if they were exposed to your movie via TV. All in all the consumer gets to keep more of their spending cash, or at least buy other things while MPAA sales dwindle.

    Does anybody not see this as the MPAA shooting itself in the foot? Broadcasters only buy movies to fill up time slots they don't bother to try to fill with their own programming and only tend to buy movies (instead of airing more reruns) so they can compete with all the other broadcasters showing movies. Yank the movies out of the equation, you have a poorer MPAA while the broadcasters just fill the time slots with more reruns. Wah.

    Of course, the MPAA doesn't give a rat's ass about customers, they (like all other corporations, by definition) care only about the investors. If they weren't so damned worried about appearing profitable to Wall Street, they'd be all for letting customers make their own perfect digital copies.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @01:12PM (#4025922)
    I agree, in principle, but 2006 is a bit soon.

    Broadcast TV will definitely NOT be mainstream in 30 years time. We will be watching high definition DVDs, (yes, DVD, I think that a new format will be "shoe-horned" on to the old media), without copy-protection, but which are so cheap that it's not worth copying them anyway, (I.E. a pre-recorded disc is 125% of the cost of a blank, so there is no market for illegal copies). Region coding will be phased out, but since no two countries will have agreed on a HDTV standard, it won't matter.

    Broadcast television will become what radio is now - popular, but not what you sit down to every night.
  • Blockbuster? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MeNeXT ( 200840 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @01:17PM (#4025961)
    By the time a movie comes out on cable I've already rented it or bought the DVD. Why would I want to tape (sorry record) it.

    If a movie is good, it's cheaper to buy a dvd than to pay for Pay Per View. At least you can watch it whenever you please and you can pause it to go to the loo.

    The only time I watch movies on cable is when I have nothing better to do. I have yet to purchase one on Pay Per View but I will rent a DVD that I've seen before if the movie was good, even if it's free on TV, at least nothing is cut out and it has no poor editing such as changing words to meet the TV audience.

    I have moderator points and I'm not using them go figure.

  • Isn't bad enough, (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bogie ( 31020 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @01:24PM (#4026010) Journal
    that every channel now has 1/10 of the screen taken up by their stupid corporate logo? My favorite is TNN. I love watching a compressed version of the movie while useless shit constantly scrolls along the bottom and distracts me from the show. Just how long is it going be the "new TNN" anyway? That dam logo has said that for like 3 years now.
  • Re:curious... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by joshua404 ( 590829 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @01:31PM (#4026066)
    Yes, they are making demands that all TVs should have DVI ports that support the HDCP anti-copying protocol. Since this protocol and DVI are relatively new, no TVs have ever come equipped with them until now (the past few months, as the newest models have begun rolling out.) What this essentially means is that the MPAA is basically demanding that all 3 million existing HDTV compatible owners should be left out in the cold.

    FURTHERMORE, if some enterprising person were to make a DVI to component (red/green/blue analog used currently for HDTV/progressive video sources), they would get smacked down with the DMCA so hard and fast their head would likely fly clean off.

  • by Dare nMc ( 468959 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @01:42PM (#4026153)
    I don't see the problem either. I have a tivo, I would be perfectly willing to let them block any content that they don't want me watching time shifted. Unless it was really good, it's doubtfull I would ever watch that content non- time shifted.

    It so happens that my hearing is not as perfect as it once was, and as such I cant really stand to pay to watch most content that I cant rewind a bit to catch what I missed. often having to turn on the ClosedCaptioning for a bit. (O/T but be really nice if tivo auto turend on CC like my DVD player, when I hit skip back 30 seconds.)

    Can we use the american Disabiltys act, to force them to let people like me replay what we cant hear the first time?

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