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Camcorder Jamming Devices Announced 583

Adam Carrington writes "I'm definitely not behind things like DRM, but Virginia-based Cinea has an idea that I do support... jamming camcorders in movie theaters. CNET has some interesting details on how they plan on going about it. They even throw an unrelated jab at Microsoft." This might be the technology that drives the stake in analog projection.
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Camcorder Jamming Devices Announced

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  • Justice, At Last (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ksw2 ( 520093 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [retaeyebo]> on Friday October 11, 2002 @11:52AM (#4432456) Homepage
    ..because we all know how those high-quality camcorder-bootlegs are robbing millions from the movie producers.
  • by mysticbob ( 21980 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @11:55AM (#4432480)
    camcorders to rip off content, ok, nice, who cares.

    but to jam mobile fones, that would be a good thing,
    and actually increase the value of the experience
    for consumers, not just for the movie houses.

    for that matter, how about jamming screaming babies,
    and that person in front of me with the big head,
    and the person behind me who keeps kicking my seat.

    rant off.
  • Re:Don't forget... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by aridhol ( 112307 ) <ka_lac@hotmail.com> on Friday October 11, 2002 @11:56AM (#4432491) Homepage Journal
    Not evil. Misguided. Remember that you should never attribute to malice what is perfectly explainable by stupidity.
  • by dildatron ( 611498 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @11:57AM (#4432496)
    Because neccesity is the mother of invention.
  • by ekrout ( 139379 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @11:57AM (#4432497) Journal
    While I understand that the media conglomerates are opposed to people stealing their content (which costs millions of dollars to create), most people who purchase $2.99 "ShakyCam" copies of new release films off the street probably wouldn't have the money to actually *go* to the movies and spend $8.50 on a ticket, $6.50 for popcorn, and $5.00 for a soda.

    This is similar to how the 12-year old kid who obtains a pirated copy of Photoshop to fool around with isn't really causing a net loss for Adobe because he wouldn't be able to shell-out the $650.00 (or whatever it is these days) for Adobe Photoshop 7.0.
  • by lute3 ( 72400 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @11:57AM (#4432499) Homepage Journal
    When I read the headline, I thought there could be real jamming performed. By that, I mean totally disrupting (or close to it) the camera's ability to capture images. This method seems like it would be very useful in situations like this [cnn.com].

    Since Americans generally are apalled by the thought of voyeurs and law enforcement alike capturing images without 'proper' permission, then a weapon like this seems like it would be incredibly useful.

  • by brandido ( 612020 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:00PM (#4432534) Homepage Journal
    I must say, it is quite amazing the lengths that Intellectual Property manufacturers will go to in ofrder to "plug the analog hole". I know that there have been stories about how movies appear on Kazaa the same day the sneak preview has been shown because somebody brought in a videa camera and filmed it, but please. These videos are of terrible quality, and only help promote interest in the movie - "Hey all you hyped up fans - look at this crappy copy you can see two days early - really whets your appetite for the real thing, doesn't it?" I am just amazed that people would go to the extent of adding significant cost and complexity in order to prevent a very small group from trading crappy copies.

    And most improtantly, I am sure that there will be a hack to get around the distortion - whether it is a run-time hack that fixes it as you record (difficult) or go back with some sort of filter to post-process it (maybe easier), I am sure it will happen. But bottom line, it won't matter - the people who watch these video-taped copies aren't in it for the fidelity, they are in it for seeing it first - a little more distortion won't stop them.
  • by poot_rootbeer ( 188613 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:01PM (#4432550)
    I can't imagine that hiding a camcorder-stopping signal in the picture being projected from the back of the theater WOULDN'T adversely affect the quality of the picture in someway.

    Camcorders are much more sensitive to infrared light than the human eye... why not just mount some infrared strobes in the front of the theater, aimed out at the audience? The people won't notice it, but the camcorders would effectively be blinded.
  • Circuit City (Score:1, Insightful)

    by wunderhorn1 ( 114559 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:01PM (#4432556)
    "The customers in the Divx days who used the system loved it"

    Yeah, all five of them...

    The rest of us preferred clinging to the illusion that once we buy a copy of a movie we get to do with it as we please.


    However, we can thank Divx for some memorable Penny-Arcade comics ("I'm about to go from zero to drunk in twenty dollars.")

  • All or nothing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by KFury ( 19522 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:02PM (#4432559) Homepage
    The trouble is that, with this particular problem of movie pirating, it has to be 100% effective or it's no good.

    It doesn't matter if they find ways to block 95% of camcorders from being able to read the signal, since most or all pirated copies of a given movie come from one point source, so as long as there is *any* camcorder or other solution out there, the copy will be made, and once one copy is made, that's the ballgame, since VCD-Rs and mpegs will propogate from there.

    Of course, the vast majority of these copies come from Asian countries, and are often recorded in poorer neighborhoods. I'd like to see how their business plan will get this digital protection mechanism into every theater in the East, regardless of the economic level.

    If they only manage to get it into 80% or even 98% of the theaters, then it doesn't do any good at all.
  • by Cy Guy ( 56083 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:03PM (#4432566) Homepage Journal
    Yeah a laser pointer should do it as shown in this article [naimark.net].

    But with any scheme that attempts to use light, you have to consider the safety of the audience topmost, including audience members that may suffer from photosensitive epilepsy [epilepsy.org.uk].

  • by k98sven ( 324383 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:04PM (#4432576) Journal
    Ok.. let's see.. he want -every- cinema to install this gadget which no doubt will cost money, and might degrade the image quality..

    Now why would Charlie Cinemaowner want to install this? No reason at all.
    True, the studios often own the cinemas and can force him to install the gadget, but that's no guarantee that he'll actually have the thing plugged in.

    Not to mention that many Asian camcorder grabs are done with the concent of the cinema owner.
    (The ones where the cinema isn't fulled with
    people speaking Javanese or whatever)

    It's just stupid. Need I say it's not going to stop piracy,
    it's just going to cost the money for the theaters.
    (And that means even more expensive movie tickets!)
  • There is a fundamental problem with encrypting things for mass consumption:

    At some point, it has to be decrypted and viewed. As long as that happens, then there won't be any way to prevent people copying it.

    Remember the /. article about ebooks being decrypted? the 'Print Scrn' button on your keyboard takes care of that...

    The same thing with this. People can develop a program that eliminates the screen flicker, or turn down the gain on their camcorders or tap into the feed before the projection ocurrs or any number of things...

    Another useless arms race.

    My $0.25
  • Re:Hacking it (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dattaway ( 3088 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:06PM (#4432603) Homepage Journal
    Frame misalignment, their protection scheme if I understand correctly, is easily defeated. Simply adjust the "shutter" speed of the recording device to a longer duration. This will eliminate blank captures they intend to project.

    I'd imagine their copy protection scheme will be *hell* on people with epilepsy. I have done work in offices that had lighting offensive to sensitive people and can just imagine what these theaters will do for an entire audience. The people investing their money in this have no idea what they are in for...
  • Why? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by teamhasnoi ( 554944 ) <teamhasnoi AT yahoo DOT com> on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:06PM (#4432606) Journal
    Are camcorders in theaters really that much of a source of pirated copies? In the music biz, the source of most pre-release copies comes from pre-release reviewer CDs OR the engineer/assistant (insider) on the project.

    Besides, the people who don't care about the (piss-poor) quality of 'camcorded' movies aren't going to care about some stupid watermark floating on the screen.

    Another piracy-battling idea that will be ignored (by pirates) and yet make lots of $$$ for the company that brings it to market.

    It seems that piracy-battling solutions are the only thing that makes $$$ while not working. That and Congress.

  • by Eric_Cartman_South_P ( 594330 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:08PM (#4432618)
    Gonna made CD's uncopyable, so the only way is to crack it within the code?

    Result: S/W available only as compelte .iso image with crack implemented.

    Going to make theater movies unrecordable?

    Result: P2P shared movies are all nicely ripped screaner DVD releases.

    DRM, cleaning up the warez and vids available on P2P.

  • by suicidal ( 111181 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:08PM (#4432622)
    I would venture to guess that the liability factor would be too great when someone's pacemaker stopped as they passed through the field. Or whatever artificial medical device, etc....
  • by Wakko Warner ( 324 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:09PM (#4432633) Homepage Journal
    It's illegal. This company figured a way to stop it.

    So, you can't download the latest Lord Of the Rings DiVX? Cry me a river.

    - A.P.
  • Uh... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Flamerule ( 467257 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:12PM (#4432667)
    The camcorder-jamming project comes as directors, including "Star Wars" legend George Lucas, are creating movies designed for digital projection that aim to provide sharper and more astounding visual effects than traditional film. But the technology has raised concerns that audience members might eventually create high-quality copies of movies using handheld video cameras smuggled into theaters.
    What the fuck is this supposed to mean? With digital projection, the camcorders will suddenly begin recording at 5x video quality? Morons... the awful quality of bootleg recordings is from the inferiority of the devices they're recorded with. This sounds like some really fucking stupid FUD to me.
  • by revery ( 456516 ) <charles@NoSpam.cac2.net> on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:17PM (#4432709) Homepage
    Dude, it's called, go see a matinee... Or wait until the film has been out a a couple of weeks and go see it then. I personally enjoy being in a full theater, but then as my wife says, I am a freak. Anyway, the point is, go when no one else is there, then you don't have to worry about someone's running commentary during a movie.
    Having said that, I go to the theater almost every weekend, and I have never had someone talk throughout the film, or had a baby cry during a movie.
  • by spinkham ( 56603 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:17PM (#4432716)
    So then they can wait till it comes out on DVD or vhs and rent it.
    It's not your job to enforce what you think would be a good business model on the content producers, if they thought they could make money selling tapes for $3, they would do it. The truth is it is their content to do what they want with.
    If someone started violating the terms of my GPL code because they didn't like my license, I'd be quite pissed.
    If you don't like their business method, don't do business with them. But don't steal their stuff either.
    What the heck comes out these days that is so great you can't wait for 6 months to see it on DVD anyway?

    I appreciate our point that they tend to inflate the perception of their losses, but that doesn't stop the fact that bootlegging is illegal (and most everyone would agree, immoral.)
  • by tc ( 93768 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:18PM (#4432722)
    What are you going to do when it vibrates then, smart guy? Answer it and have a conversation in the middle of the movie? Perhaps stand up and disturb everyone in your row plus the people immediately behind you on your way to the exit?

    Face it, if you're likely to receive a call that is so stupendously important that it couldn't wait until you pick up your messages, then perhaps you shouldn't have gone to the movies in the first place.

  • by KelsoLundeen ( 454249 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:20PM (#4432746)
    How does a guy get a name like 'Winky?'

    Anyway, I'll agree. The idea of 'jamming' camcorders is insane. How many times have you actually been bothered by someone with a camcorder?

    The answer is none. Anybody desperate enough to film the movie is gonna be as low-key and low-in-the-seat as possible.

    It's the mobile phones and beepers that oughta be jammed -- in movie theaters, restaurants, and anywhere where you, the cell phone owner, are surrounded with people who are not using cell phones and aren't even thinking about cell phones.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:22PM (#4432756)
    The problem is that because it's been so convenient to steal things in the past, people have become used to it to a point that they -actually- believe that breaking the law with a computer is a world away from, say, lifting a sweater from a department store. They'll come up with all sorts of arguments to justify it of course..they'll likely say that software isn't a tangible good so it isn't the same as stealing a physical object, some even make the ridiculous argument that software in its most basic form is composed entirely of electrons, and that no one can claim electrons. I think it'd be kind of difficult to find any consumer item that's electron free :)

    The truth is, it's just stealing. Plain and simple theft. It's more comfortable than shoplifting, because you can do it from the comfort of your own home with relatively little chance of being caught, but when you get right down to it, it's still theft. Apparently, however, some seem to believe it their right to steal.
  • by goldspider ( 445116 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:25PM (#4432785) Homepage
    "They even throw an unrelated jab at Microsoft" ...as if that somehow adds substance or credibility to the article.
  • by sebi ( 152185 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:27PM (#4432802)
    And recorded comments on your bootleg tape don't piss you off?
  • by buysse ( 5473 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:28PM (#4432817) Homepage
    Nope. Let it go to voice mail and leave the fucking theatre to call them back. People can handle a slight delay in response. I generally don't answer my phone while driving, or even in a conversation with another person who's standing next to me or with me at a restaurant. I'll let it go, then say (based on caller-ID) whether I need to check the message then or later.

    Dammit, people, it's not that hard to be polite. You don't need to be reachable immediately at the press of a button all the time.

  • by Contact ( 109819 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:33PM (#4432855)
    Look on the bright side - every dollar Hollywood spends on pointless snake oil, is one less dollar they can spend buying politicians. :)
  • They don't care about jamming phones. Phones ringing do not figure into their perceived revenue loss.
  • by Tetrad69 ( 526053 ) <tetrad@gmail.com> on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:36PM (#4432879)
    and only help promote interest in the movie
    Ah, but you see, if people saw how bad most of the movies are before they spend X dollars at a theatre, then they probably won't go. The movie theatres are afraid that if people "try before they buy", then they probably won't buy shit.
  • $2 million grant (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pmineiro ( 556272 ) <paul AT mineiro DOT com> on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:36PM (#4432881) Homepage
    i hope everybody noticed they got a $2 million dollar grant from NIST to develop this technology.

    your hard earned tax dollars, not going to towards things like a faster internet, faster genome sequencing, or an aerospace plane, but instead to pay to develop a technology that will make some guy rich helping hollywood fight a fringe form of copy protection that will be dwarfed by the possibilities of direct digital piracy that will be opened up by the digital distribution/projection infrastructure this proposed technology depends upon.

    wtf.

    -- p
  • by SirSlud ( 67381 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:41PM (#4432925) Homepage
    Cripes, even a lawyer wouldn't agree with you.

    It's illigal, yes. It's breaking the law. However, its not theft .. its copyright infringement.

    I mean, even the law calls it something other than theft.

    Fans of The Grateful Dead or KRS-One were encouraged to bootleg shows by the copyright owners, but no formal agreements were signed by anybody .. should we just call these people 'theives' and arrest them? Or should we start understanding that theft != copyright infringement? Nobody ever wants to be robbed, but there are times where authors do not mind the supposed act of 'theft' .. er, copyright infringement.

    Both are illegal, both are (arguably and to varying extents) ethically wrong, but they are not the same thing. Folks who claim they are the same thing are simply parroting the cries of their sad and embattled heros, the Business 2.0 reading media/content exec. Save your breath, they have enough money and time to get their message across without you tagging along behind them waggin your tail ..

    When it gets down to it, it behooves your survival skills to differentiate between the real world and the real world according to its current wealthy conformists. Now _theres_ a world of difference I hope you can appreciate.
  • Losing money (Score:1, Insightful)

    by piznut ( 553799 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:42PM (#4432929)
    I always have a problem when the content producers claim to be losing x dollars to piracy.

    The use of the phrase "losing" or "loss" implies that they had possession in the first place. Isn't there a better term that they could use? I doubt that there is any way to prove the link between pirate sales and sales loss on the real deal. If an industry claims $3 billion in losses due to piracy, it would be logical to assume that if piracy were to go away, that the profits would instantly go up by that amount...I seriously doubt that would be the case.

    If pirates had to pay full price for something, rather than get it for free on the internet, would they? I think we all know the answer to that question. Free is part of the appeal...god knows the shit that Hollywood puts out is rarely compelling enough at it's current price point.
  • by SheepHead ( 610180 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:43PM (#4432943)
    Seems to me that if all projection booths go to digital projection, that many fewer movies will be pirated using camcorders anyway, because someone will figure out how to intercept the signal and rip it straight from the projection booth, somehow.

    You can't do that now because the film is on a big canister that needs light shone through it... but if it's just bits on a HD, the bits can be intercepted, or even copied when the movie isn't being played.

    This DivX company seems doomed to failure. Now they're trying to introduce something akin to stopping people from copying CDs onto audio tapes. Sure, it might work, but those who want a copy of a CD now just rip it...

    And, seems that the industry's biggest problem now is untrustable DVD screeners, honestly.

    If you're about to say that there aren't HDs big enough to store a full digital projection movie, well, my HD used to get pretty full ripping an audio CD, too...

    Rip the digital stream, bring it home, reencode. If it's at all possible, it'll be done. It's essentially an early copy of the DVD playing on a really nice projector. Capturing that video through a camcorder won't be necessary for much longer.

    sheephead

  • by beanyk ( 230597 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:48PM (#4433002)
    It's the mobile phones and beepers that oughta be jammed -- in movie theaters, restaurants, and anywhere where you, the cell phone owner, are surrounded with people who are not using cell phones and aren't even thinking about cell phones.


    I disagree. Just in places where silence is expected and needed. There's no reason someone in a restaurant can't take/make a mobile phone call, if they know to keep their voice down to the level of normal conversation. But in a cinema or theatre or library, it's totally unacceptable.
  • by SirSlud ( 67381 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:55PM (#4433075) Homepage
    Let me steal your TV and copy all the software that you paid for on your computer .. and then we'll see which one you want back.
  • by jt007 ( 459122 ) <jt007.bruce-lee@com> on Friday October 11, 2002 @12:58PM (#4433092)
    How many times have you actually been bothered by someone with a camcorder?

    I agree with your point about banning mobile phones, but the whole point of this system is not about stopping people being 'bothered' by a camcorder, its about film companies/cinemas using this technology to protect their investment.
  • by ingvar ( 66436 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:01PM (#4433128) Homepage
    There is an even easier way of handle that.

    On-call, don't go to the cinema. If nothing else
    because getting paged in the middle of the filml and having to interrupt and see what's up is such an nicredible pain anyhow.

    And if you're about to say "what about those who are always on call?", all I can reply is "get another job".
  • by FreeUser ( 11483 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:06PM (#4433185)
    It's illegal. This company figured a way to stop it.

    Yeah, its innovations like this that make the world safe for ... what, exactly? More mindless Hollywood tripe that is selling like crazy already, despite the avialability of Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter in divx format?

    I wonder how many Rodney King's are going to be caught being victimized on tape now, once the LAPD installs those buggers in their squad cars. Or how many bank and convinience store robberies are going to go unmonitored, once Joe Thug can go out and buy (or steal) a cheap video camera jamming device.

    Not that you can ever put Pandora's box back together again (to mix my metaphores), but spending the kind of money on this sort of research the way the entertainment industry is doing is anything but a positive contribution to the net human condition.

    Not that cartel thugs like that will ever know or feel shame, as their past actions and words already attest.
  • Bad idea (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Joe U ( 443617 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:19PM (#4433301) Homepage Journal
    "Face it, if you're likely to receive a call that is so stupendously important that it couldn't wait until you pick up your messages, then perhaps you shouldn't have gone to the movies in the first place."

    Never heard of a doctor on call, have you? Or do you expect him/her to just sit in the hospital 24 hours a day, just in case.

    There are exceptions to every rule.
  • Re:Don't forget... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Mikeytsi ( 186271 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:21PM (#4433324) Journal
    The point was it was like $10-12 for the DIVX DVD. And the players were shitty and expensive, and didn't meet up with specs for regular DVD's. There's a reason it failed, it was a crappy product that no one wanted to buy.
  • by Danse ( 1026 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:30PM (#4433408)

    It never ceases to amaze me how common it is for slashdotters to fail to understand that there is a difference between something which is infinitely reproduceable for virtually no cost and something which is not. Trying to treat them exactly the same is simply moronic.

  • by Waffle Iron ( 339739 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:35PM (#4433463)
    they -actually- believe that breaking the law with a computer is a world away from, say, lifting a sweater from a department store.

    Of course, department stores keep a watch over their sweaters. They don't try to make a business model out of, for example: Leaving piles of sweaters unattended at busy street corners, with a sign saying "Sweaters $39.99. Please take one and put your cash payment in this evelope"

    Anybody who understands human nature would see that that scheme would be utterly unworkable. Likewise, nobody should be surprised when people cheat on copyrights as soon as technology makes it cheaper and easier than buying a real copy.

    Copyright infringement may not be right, but your righteous indignation isn't going to change things. The only way to stop this behavior is to make it more like a department store: physically protect the merchandise. However, this is just about impossible with copyable stuff. Too bad. If the content producers go out of business under the current model with current human nature, there'll be a shortage of content. Then somebody else will come along and figure out a new way to make money on entertainment that is more workable, and not dependent on the honesty of millions of anonymous consumers.

  • In other words... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by kavau ( 554682 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:38PM (#4433496) Homepage
    they are going to create an artificial flicker similar to the flickering of a TV screen? Just great. Goodbye flicker-free digital cinema!

    Besides, just how much do the producers think the videotaping of a movie off a theater screen will hurt their sales? If it's a movie I want to watch, I'd definitely not be content with watching a inferior-quality camcorder rip. The only occasion I can think of is where such a rip might prevent me from watching the movie is if the movie does not meet up to my expectations. Therefore, only the makers of awfully bad movies have to be afraid of this.

    But then... 90% of Hollywood's movies are awfully bad. Okay, I understand now why they are concerned ;)

  • love the comment (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Archfeld ( 6757 ) <treboreel@live.com> on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:44PM (#4433549) Journal
    "...Divx was a great concept that didn't get market support...."

    err DUH how clueless can you get, no market support implies it was NOT a great product because NO ONE wanted it. The only people behind DIVX were the movie companies that stood to gain bazillions by controlling your every viewing choice. The so-called market, or the paying customers HATED the crap and refused to buy it. Must be nice to be the center of the universe...
  • by NDPTAL85 ( 260093 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:49PM (#4433587)
    Well of course you'd argue in support of piracy. You're morals are nonexistant and you have absolutely no respect for intellectual property. In short, your a unrepentant theif and or sympathsizer.

    Have a good day!
  • Screeners? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by anonymous cupboard ( 446159 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @01:51PM (#4433611)
    Um one of the biggest problems isn't the poor quality cam movies, it is the screeners. In former days the screeners were on VHS and generally were not particularly high quality to start with. Now the screeners are DVD and the rips (particularly to DIVX) are to be seen to be believed.

    Where are those screeners coming from? Well, the film industry of course!!!!!

  • by dubiousmike ( 558126 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @02:04PM (#4433716) Homepage Journal
    I know this is the exception to the rule but:

    I have a 17 month old child. My wife and I have brought him to about 20 movies since he was born. This includes ATATC, LOTR, Spiderman, ect.

    For those of you who have an infant child and want to bring he/she to the movie, try some of the following:

    - Your kid naps. Usually like clockwork. Time your movie for when the kid is about to fall asleep. We would keep our child from napping until we actually got to the movie. This usually can get you through about half of the movie with a sleeping child.

    - Breast feed/bottle. Have these ready to go when the child wakes up.

    - Biter cookies (Gerber). These are intended for teething infants/todlers. These cookies are hard and if your child has yet to have much of any teeth, one cookie will keep the kid busy for a good 15 to 20 minutes. We'd bring at least 4 to 5 of them. Overkill is necessary as they get dropped on the floor.

    Out of 20 or so movies, we have had to remove the baby from the theater twice. Once was because we didn't follow our own rules (family corraled us to go against our better judgement) and the other time, his teeth hurt so bad, that nothing (short term) would keep him from crying. We've learned since then that having our child pre-party with a bit of kiddie ibuprofren with a bit of ambesol if needed works wonders.

    Yes, I know that those two movies that we attended with a cranky baby, likely caused a few frowns, but as we care about our own movie experiences, we were extrememly quick to remove him from the theater once he wouldn't settle down. We'd never think of staying in there with him crying.

    We are getting to the point now where he usually walks where he pleases and if the movie doesn't keep him attentive, he wont want to keep in one place. We don't go as often at this point (and very rarely with him).

    But maybe he could hold the video camera. That might keep him busy. After all, he can minimally use the Replay TV to start *shudder* Barney, Sesame Street, ect. 17 months old. I can barely believe it myself.

  • Re:Screeners? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by JonWan ( 456212 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @03:09PM (#4434141)
    I get VHS screeners all of the time. They all have the no-copy warning and 1-800 number randomally thru out the movie. Some even randomally change to black and white. The DVDs seem to be for the theaters, although I have been sent some for anime and Indie films. A big part of the problem is the security of the prints. Give a $6.00 an hour floor employee $500 and "borrow" the print make a tele-cine copy and return it in a few hours. I think that is the reason behind the digital push. Not quality, but more security. It will be harder to borrow the hard drives than the prints.
  • Re:Macrovision? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11, 2002 @08:21PM (#4434944)
    Exactly. And just like macrovision, you won't even notice it. It's just like all the copy protection mechanisms big money has given us. From Macrovision to sector-skewed floppy disks to nonstandard CDs to DRM... they're all designed to make the end user's experience more pleasurable while simultaneously maximizing profit. The end user gets the same great quality as they've always gotten. Isn't it great? [sarcasm meter finally goes off the chart]

    Honestly, I'm SURE I'll see the diference and it will annoy me enough to never step foot in the theaters again. Some people don't notice the flicker of flourescent lights, but I do. I'll be forced to get my movies off the internet... much like the way corrupt CDs have encouraged me to get my MP3s from P2P networks. Why bother making my own MP3s from my own CDs if they're going to make it hard?
  • by susano_otter ( 123650 ) on Friday October 11, 2002 @09:28PM (#4435213) Homepage
    I should apologise. I'm not nearly as law-abiding as you seem to think I am. I've lately begun to suspect, though, that my reasons for breaking this law or that are not well thought out. I suspect that my lawbreaking doesn't benefit me as much as I thought, and doesn't benefit my community at all.

    When I break a law, it is almost always because I find it too difficult to keep, or change, or repeal: my lawbreaking is a matter of immediate convenience. Sometimes, when challenged, I parrot various catchphrases as an excuse: "The infraction is trivial!"; "The law is unjust!"; "I'm not hurting anyone!"; "Or if I am, they deserve to be hurt!"

    On closer inspection, these excuses seem to be unsubstantiated, poorly reasoned, or obviously weak. In the end, my lawbreaking is nothing more than the instant gratification of my desires--hardly a good reason to abandon the conventions of my society (and note that one of these conventions is that all laws, no matter how trivial or annoying must be kept, and those that do not keep them should be punished).

    Saying "such and such a law has no value" is very different from saying "keeping the Law has no value". If I find value in the Law--a system of rules to govern peaceful interactions between individuals--then I'd be very upset indeed by bad laws, since I must bear the burden of keeping them even though they do not improve society. It's precisely because I (hypothetically) value keeping the Law that bad laws are so burdensome. But if I find no value in keeping the Law, then specific laws are meaningless to me, whether good or bad. I'll ignore them all at my convenience.

    Breaking a law might be the best way to improve society, but it might also contribute to a culture that devalues the Law. How does warezing movies make me a better person and a better citizen? How does it improve my community or enrich society? The answer is not clear to me, except that I know that as long as my arguments are weak, breaking the law does not do any of these things.

    Any argument that began, "warezing movies improves the individual and the community because..." would interest me greatly. The arguments I have actually seen show little evidence of any attempt at reasoning, or any real concern for self- or social improvement. Should our motto really be "breaking the law is easier than fighting it"? That hardly seems a solid foundation on which to build a better system.

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