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Broadcasters vs Producers on Content Integrity 173

mpawlo writes "I just did a quick write-up for Greplaw on an interesting pending law suit in Sweden. Two Swedish directors, Vilgot Sjoman and Anders Eriksson, are about to file a suit against Swedish broadcaster Tv 4. According to the author's rights or droit moral doctrine, the work may not be displayed or changed in a way degrading to the author or the author's work. Tv 4 has just changed its policy for commercial breaks. Breaks are now introduced during movies. The commercial breaks used to be placed between the end and start of a program. The directors argue the breaks are degrading from an artistical point of view. They want to try the commercial breaks in court from a copyright perspective."
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Broadcasters vs Producers on Content Integrity

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  • hmm (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Graspee_Leemoor ( 302316 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:05PM (#4489891) Homepage Journal
    Films tend to be worse affected by breaks in the middle than TV progs, which are designed with it in mind.

    graspee

  • Interesting.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by irc.goatse.cx troll ( 593289 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:08PM (#4489899) Journal
    Its nice to see people standing up for their content, and fighting advertisements.
    This story made me think, could our producers sue Digital Cable for degrading the quality? (ask any time warner digital cable subscriber what 'digital picture' means, anyone with a clue will tell you it means 'lossy compression used to squeeeze in a bunch of extra channels)
  • by Graspee_Leemoor ( 302316 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:08PM (#4489900) Homepage Journal
    Nice sweeping generalization there. How many films are pure art and were not made to bring a profit ? Not too many, though I have seen a few Swedish films and they were a cut above Hollywood in the "bread and circuses" dept.

    graspee

  • Re:hmm (Score:3, Interesting)

    by infornogr ( 603568 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:10PM (#4489907)
    The sad thing is that the length of these breaks has increased over time, so a lot of classic TV shows have parts cut out by the television station to allow more commercials to be shown. It's even more annoying since half of these commercials are just self-promotional things made by the station.
  • by infornogr ( 603568 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:12PM (#4489924)
    c) A person who realizes that if there are no commercials, there is no program, and that the program should be designed to minimize the negative effect of the commercials on the program. Designing the program so that the commercials don't come in at annoying times is fighting the damage that commercials do, not helping it.
  • This I don't get (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Scarblac ( 122480 ) <slashdot@gerlich.nl> on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:14PM (#4489936) Homepage

    The article states:

    • They sue 'Tv4', which is in Sweden.
    • Other channels that target Sweden broadcast from London, thus they aren't affected by Swedish law.
    • Author's rights are protected strongly in European Law.

    If the protection the authors claim is grounded in European law, why are the London-based stations safe from it? Why aren't they bringing the case before the EU courts at once?

    Apparently they think the EU courts wouldn't outlaw commercial breaks during movies, which are pretty normal. One Dutch station (SBS6) actually goes so far as to have an entire 30-minute program in between the first and second halves of a film... I *hate* that.

    So it seems that Swedish courts are being stricter on interpretation of EU law than the rest of the EU. I doubt that's a good thing.

  • TV Shows on DVD? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by toupsie ( 88295 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:22PM (#4489960) Homepage
    Would this mean that a commercial broadcast television show would have the artist's rights violated if the commercials are removed for distribution on DVD? It would seem that a broadcast commercial television program would have a producer creating an artistic product with commercial breaks in mind. Removing the commercials could interfere with that artistic vision. I watched many shows that have used the commercial break for dramatic pause.
  • by Sebby ( 238625 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:43PM (#4490040)
    I always thought that those damn logos in the corner of the screen networks put in should be treated as unauthorized modification of the work being displayed, and hence be considered a copyright enfringment.

    Might finally get rid of those stupid things once and for all...

  • by Anna Merikin ( 529843 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:44PM (#4490042) Journal

    IIRC, when Bergman's The Lie (abridged, but edited by Bergman from the Swedish version) played on US commercial TV some thirty years ago, it was broadcast without commercial breaks -- because it was in Bergman's contract.

    As a former player/writer in TV/movies, I can assure you that for the last twenty years in the US, the writers/artists have had no rights about `artistical' matters; the producers now expect the TV/Cable/International revenues to cover their production costs, and they have the paperwork drawn up to give them the greatest prof-- um, er, flexibility to package and sell the project after initial theatrical runs.

    I know nothing about European artistic license/law -- and from reading this article, I want nothing to do with it. It sounds completely absurd to me. As I understand the article with regards to the use of a religious song in the tree-f*cking scene in I am Curious (Yellow), Kubric would have needed the song writer's permission to use Singin' in the Rain as compellingly as he did in A Clockwork Orange.

    If you want artistic control over your project, get it in writing like Bergman or form your own production company like Fritjof Capra did for Mind Walk.

    BTW, there is a so-called `director's cut' on some DVDs because the director usually does not even decide what is in the final version of the film in most cases. Sometimes the director of a film is not even invited in for the editing -- and the writer almost never is.

    Perhaps this story illustrates the difficulty Europen cinema has competing with the US variety as much as it does a real trend in European artistic rights.

  • by Amanset ( 18568 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:44PM (#4490044) Homepage
    Maybe in some countries, but take the likes of the BBC who were broadcasting before the second world war (1939-1945, a bit more than 40 years ago) and with no adverts, thus saying that " The whole entire point of TV programming is to sell advertisements...period" is incorrect and very US-centric.
  • by Crasoum ( 618885 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:51PM (#4490082) Journal
    thrashing of artistic vision, would the broadcasters start sueing for breach of contract, or perhaps limiting corporate expression? The Sweedish constitution [llrx.com] Does have the The Freedom of the Press Act and the The Freedom of Expression Act.

    It -is- afterall an expression of the company of which comercials to air, and when.... Like perhaps overall the comercials, are funny, or political, or downright serious

  • by rosewood ( 99925 ) <rosewood AT chat DOT ru> on Sunday October 20, 2002 @12:54PM (#4490096) Homepage Journal
    One thing slashdot has covered before and I am starting to see a lot of in movies is digital editing. For example, I was watching Tin Cup on TBS yesterday. Towards the end of the movie, at the majors, on the last hole, there is a big banner for CBS sports. You *can't* miss it. It is big black letters on a yellow banner. Well, TBS edited it out. All it is now is a big yellow hole. In a few shots where you only see a corner of it, you still see the text, but in the wide shots - NOTHING. How long until that says "Watch Atlanta Braves Baseball" ??

    Then I was watching a hockey game and I noticed how all the adds on the walls were changing. I thought that was kinda strange since Ive only seen them painted on. But then I saw the adds ON the ice change. Turns out none of the in stadium adds are broadcast, just ones from the networks. What the HELL is that? I would be pissed if I bought that advertisement spot!
  • by kaphka ( 50736 ) <1nv7b001@sneakemail.com> on Sunday October 20, 2002 @01:27PM (#4490238)
    Breaking up a movie to insert commercial breaks is mildly irritating. On-screen "bugs" are somewhat more intrusive. On-screen "bugs" that pop up to advertise another program are worse. On-screen ads that include a bell or other sound effect are worse still. However, on-screen ads that take up the entire screen and deliberately try to distract you from the film have got to be over the line.

    That's what TNT started doing a few years ago. In particular, I remember one ad for an awards show of some sort, in which a "spotlights" would suddenly wave across the screen, then converge on the ad at the bottom. My interest in TNT had been declining ever since they fired Joe Bob [joebobbriggs.com], but those new ads were the last straw -- I changed the channel, and I haven't look back since.

    Anyway, although I was surprised that TNT would make such a concerted effort to drive away viewers, I was even more suprised that the filmmakers would let them. A movie with those graphics superimposed clearly constitutes a derivative work, not just a performance of the original. Even a relatively flexible director wouldn't stand for that.

    Of course, it's up to the copyright holder, which, in TNT's case, is almost always AOL. (In fact, AOL seems to hold most copyrights, period.) The more TV stations are able to run content that they own, the more freedom they have to do this sort of thing. It's just another consequence of the media oligopoly.
  • by wolfgang_spangler ( 40539 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @05:06PM (#4491213)
    wow, I must be the only person in /.land who isn't annoyed to DEATH by those things. Granted, working second shift wed-sun and having 2 kids + wife I actually only see about 10 minutes of TV a week (there is NOTHING good on before 2PM during the week).

    I noticed when the "new TNN" started using them, and they annoyed me for all of 5 minutes. Then I just phased it out...either that or I am being secretly controlled by them by opening some sort of subconcious tunnel thingy.

  • Short reply (Score:3, Interesting)

    by CrystalFalcon ( 233559 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @06:08PM (#4491510) Homepage
    Do you think the screenplay writer(s) of say - friends or survivors designed their scripts with commercials in mind?

    Yes.

    End of story.

    (Actually, it's even more obvious when you watch American TV shows here in Europe. You can see _so_ _clearly_ where advertising is meant to go in those shows, only it doesn't over here.)
  • by Kikaid. ( 587623 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @06:20PM (#4491557)
    Turns out none of the in stadium adds are broadcast, just ones from the networks.

    This has been going on for a while now. The service of super-imposing ads on live broadcasts is provided by the same company that creates the yellow "first down" line on the field of NFL games. Watch the backstop of the World Series this week, the ads are constantly different.

    As far as doing it within a movie, the studio that owns the movie has to give the ok for it to be altered in anyway, including censored/dubbed dialog. If the director doesn't like the alterations he/she usually takes his/her name off the picture. (It used to be common practice to replace the director's name with "Alan Smithy")

  • Re:hmm (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mpe ( 36238 ) on Monday October 21, 2002 @09:23AM (#4494691)
    One of the interesting effects of the DVD zone system is that it means that to get the un-cut version of a film you have to get a region 1 player or a region free player.

    Only if the film was originally produced in North America is the uncut version likely to be region 1. It's perfectly possible for a film, produced elsewhere in the rest of the world, to be cut for release in the USA or Canada, in which case the region 1 DVD would be the cut version.

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