Superhero Smackdown 602
Paul writes "Fox News is running a story that asks one of the best geek questions of our generation: who win if Superman and Batman fought one another?. The last this topic was big was during the Spider-Man/AOTC rush in May. I distinctly remember a particular essay that compared Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, any Jedi (particularly Yoda), and James Bond." Obviously the author didn't read DK2 ;) And I put my money on Deadpool, if only because his quips are better.
Doesn't anyone know Frank Miller? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Dumbest question ever (Score:5, Informative)
Re:It's already been settled... (Score:4, Informative)
Grudge Match (Score:5, Informative)
The best part is you can vote on the current grudge match and decide the winner and then check the history for the winners of all the previous matches.
(warning, you will waste the whole work day reading the site)
-hero.
The King.... (Score:3, Informative)
Far back in the mists of time, or sixteen years ago if you're being less poetic, I was a DM'ing my first set of D&D games. I created the Eruvia continent for the setting, and populated it with various goodies, nasties and a chief baddy - The King.
The King was a stunningly powerful lych, and it soon became clear that if this guy drifted in to the game, the balance of power was ended. Put simply - the King was too strong, and ruined all the games because players went up against him and just instanteneously died.
I'm not deeply into comics, but Superman seems to be that character to me. In Superman they've created a superhero who is just too strong to be beaten.
I fixed my game world by arranging for the King to die courtesy of some unspecified magic tool. The games became interesting again. Similarly, I was encouraged a while ago that Superman was to be killed off, but apparently they've wimped out of that and brought him back to life.
I suppose then my pick would be Superman. But it's not a pick I make with any great enthusiasm. It's an unbalanced character.
Cheers,
Ian
Re:It's already been settled... (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, this sort of thing is always subjective to the moods of the storywriter. Which is why you never, ever want to bring up this topic on the rec.arts.comics [idyllmtn.com] newsgroups.
Re:It's already been settled... (Score:3, Informative)
Well, he had his hand at Supes throat and could have killed him, but didn't...so whatever happens after that point is moot.
Super Smash Bros. Melee (Score:3, Informative)
This desire to see bloodshed between our heroes is obviously human nature, take the popularity of MTV's Celebrity Deathmatch.
Or of Nintendo's Super Smash Bros. Melee.
I'm just waiting for Super Smash Bros. 3: Nintendo vs Sega, or Nintendo vs Capcom, or (better yet) Nintendo vs Disney. Mario could tear apart Mickey Mouse, but I'm not all too sure Kinopio could beat Pinocchio.
This isn't even original! (Score:3, Informative)
It's being directed by Wolfgang Petersen.
It's being made by Warner Brothers so it's a mystery why Fox is asking the question and not Warner Brothers. Maybe Fox is asking FOR Warner Brothers and the top moderated scenarios that you folks are giving will be used.
Taco, you in on this?
Re:It's already been settled... (Score:5, Informative)
1) Batman also had the help of others: a new Robin in the original DKR, and The Flash, Green Arrow, and Plastic Man in DKR2.
2) Superman was working for evil villains oppressing the world's populace. His heart clearly wasn't in the fight.
3) Most importantly, both of these stories take place in an alternate universe, set in years after the end of the traditional "Silver Age" DC universe was closed. It is hard to extrapolate these results to the present-day Modern Age Superheroes.
Another thing to point out, in the current universe, Superman once gave Batman a kryptonite ring, with instructions to use it if he were ever to become evil (a-la Red Kryptonite Superman in the third movie [imdb.com]). If there was such a battle, it would likely be because one of the two "switched sides". If so, Batman would likely use the ring to his advantage.
Good reading material for the superheros. (Score:4, Informative)
Superman: For All Seasons (Jeph Loeb)
Batman: Year One (Miller), Dark Knight Returns (Miller), The Killing Joke (Moore), Officer Down (Rucka), Bruce Wayne Fugitive:Murderer (Rucka).
Spider-Man: A Day in the Life (Jenkins), anything by J.Michael Strazinski (from Babylon5. yes, he writes spiderman).
Deadpool: The current Agent X storyline, The Circle Chase or any trade paperback you can find. This guy is harder to find.
Re:It's already been settled... (Score:4, Informative)
Anyway, this is a great comic to own, afew other are >A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail
All by Miller, of course.
Re:Depends... (Score:5, Informative)
Why Superman will lose. (Score:2, Informative)
The classic confrontation between Superman and Batman was IMHO when in the Man of Steel miniseries where Battman puts up a force field around himself and tells Superman that if he penetrates the forcefield, a bomb that Batman has planted on some person in the city will detonate. Superman leaves Batman alone. There really was a bomb, and it was planted on Batman. Batman figured Superman could tell if he were lying, so he created the scenario where he wouldn't have to lie, or put someone else at risk, but he could still thwart Superman.
My money's on Martian Manhunter if the battle's underwater.
The Dark Knight Returns (Score:5, Informative)
Batman plans ahead and is prepared while big dopey Superman comes blundering in to take B into custody because the powers that be say he's a "bad boy".
Batman gives S a dose of the K, smacks him around with some missles while he's weakened, and generally beats him until he cries like a little girl. They point that out in the story that Batman wants Superman to know that he got his ass kicked, and by whom.
Then, having already thought through the scenario, B knows that even if he wins, that the world has changed, and he can't operate openly anymore. So he has a chemical concotion, that he thought up with his big brain, that puts him in a coma.
Superman thinks he's killed B, and cries again. Batman sculks off to continue to use his big brain to fight evil from the shadows.
Basicly, Batman wins because he's a big smarty-man, but then throws the fight. In the bigger picture, they're both victims of circumstance, and have to comprimise to survive in the world.
Re:No Contest (Score:5, Informative)
This scenario has already been done.
Batman: Dark Knight Returns
Yes, Superman is the man of steel, but with planning, resources and a little help from an old friend (who happens to have a bit of a grudge against Superman) Batman kicks his little blue schoolboy ass. Not to mention that Batman happens to be 70 years old at the time.
It's a great read!
Amazon link [amazon.com]
Re:That's easy (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Marvel vs.Capcom (Score:4, Informative)
Batman would win (Score:2, Informative)
Superman is not a good fighter, he just flies in and smashes, relying on his powers to defeat anything in his way.
Batman, who has no real powers except for being really tough has to use his brains and skills that he has learned in his life time. Batman has WayneTech to give him all his little toys such as little green rocks that Superman can't stand.
Comics Geek Nitpick Time! (Score:4, Informative)
I'm bored. Sue me.
Batman/Bruce Wayne doesn't drink. He's a billionare, and Dick Greyson was not adopted in the comic book until about 3 months ago, and he's in no way a "boy" anymore, being a grown man in his early 20's.
Really guys... (Score:2, Informative)
It's the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles / Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers Drunken Wedding Reception Brawl Super Special #1 that *I'm* looking forward to...
Actually Batman defeated the entire JLA! (Score:2, Informative)
The best part of the comic was when Batman had to face up to the JLA after the attacks and got his ass kicked out of the group. Batman explained he made the files in case the group was taken over mentally like had happened before. Showed that knowledge, planning and a lot of cunning could take down or neutralize any superpower.
Re:The Dark Knight Returns (Score:2, Informative)
If you can get them read The Dark Knight Returns and the Dark Knight Strikes Again by Frank Miller.
TDKR is what basically put comics back on the map and into the Movies.
Re:No Contest ... actually (Score:2, Informative)
I believe you're actually referring to "The Dark Knight Returns" by Frank Miller. It's a really interesting view of Batman, and as far as I know is the comic book (er, graphic novel) that influenced the modern portrayals of a dark and brooding Batman (as opposed to the Adam West Batman TV series).
Also see this comment [slashdot.org] for a link to this book at Amazon, or use this link [barnesandnoble.com] to check it out at Barnes & Noble.
Not to point out the obvious but.... (Score:2, Informative)
Of course as long as either one had cryptonite they could win - but if they didn't theres just no chance.
Anyway a better fight would be between Rogue and Superman since both are strong/flexible and can fly - the true test would be if rogue could suck up all his power vs. getting her face jabbed in.
God this is so pathetic I can't believe I actually just wrote all this.
Who win if Superman and Batman fought one another? (Score:1, Informative)
Batman won, but then had a heart attack.
For those who want to know the story line... (Score:3, Informative)
This link [darkknight.ca] tells about the battle between an aging Batman, and a superman weakened by a nuclear winter.
In a way, Batman has gone crazy; crazy with doubt and violence.
Anyhow, you can read it for yourself.
Re:An Interesting Alternate Universe Idea (Score:2, Informative)
Re:An Interesting Alternate Universe Idea (Score:2, Informative)