Superhero Smackdown 602
Paul writes "Fox News is running a story that asks one of the best geek questions of our generation: who win if Superman and Batman fought one another?. The last this topic was big was during the Spider-Man/AOTC rush in May. I distinctly remember a particular essay that compared Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, any Jedi (particularly Yoda), and James Bond." Obviously the author didn't read DK2 ;) And I put my money on Deadpool, if only because his quips are better.
Dumbest question ever (Score:2, Insightful)
Have the
Duh.
depends (Score:5, Insightful)
Planned event: Batman, hands down.
(unless theyre limited to their bare hands)
Always bet on the sneaky pragmatic bastard.
That's easy (Score:4, Insightful)
One question does come to mind, since they both always "fought evil", which one is going to turn to make this possible.
Even more fun would be Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles vs. Power Rangers, or Pokemon vs. Dragon Ball Z. Why does everything have to be a boxing match, I want to see an all out brawl!
the tick (Score:1, Insightful)
OverLord
Re:No Contest (Score:5, Insightful)
Plus, Superman draws his powers from the yellow rays of the sun - and is useless at night. At least thats how it used to be in the comic. He also originally couldn't fly - just jump really high (tall buildings in a single bound).
Superman's a clod. He just brute forces everything, he has no technique or skill or intelligence.
Just watch Justice League. Batman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern and the Flash will be ducking and dodging attacks left and right, then coming up with some innovative method to take out the enemy.
Superman and Wonder Woman just take it head on and get plowed through a concrete wall, then get up and get smashed again, until they finally prevail.
Supes threw the fight already (plus, the stats) (Score:4, Insightful)
Now, we all know Batman would win. He's got a big ol' kryptonite medallion, that Superman gave him himself, to use in case he was ever controlled by sume supervillain. Along with a speech about how Batman was the only person he would trust with it. I read that comic, but can't find the reference for the life of me
Re:Batman vs. Superman: By A Religious Fundamental (Score:1, Insightful)
Yes, lets. Let's notice that Moses would have been a non-white middle-eastern Jew, for example. Perhaps it's not quite the same analogy...?
Re:Duh... (Score:5, Insightful)
In the Superman world, I would always root for Lex Luthor. Superman is nearly indestructible, has literally superhuman strength and speed, can see through walls, can fly, can cause solid objects to burst into flame just by looking at them. Superman doesn't have to be brave, or subtle, or creative; all he has is overwhelming brute force.
But Lex Luthor is just an ordinary human like you or I. Superman has all the advantages, but Lex still almost wins. Lex Luthor is a modern-day Prometheus, and Superman is a capricious god.
So I'm backing Batman, or any other human. As a race, we've destroyed gods in the past by outgrowing them, and we're the better for it.
What's the point? (Score:3, Insightful)
F-bacher
Superpower vs. Street smarts. (Score:3, Insightful)
Superman: Clean-cut country boy in the big city, small town values, all round good guy, always fight's fair.
Batman: Traumatic child hood, watch his parents get killed, grew up in a corporate world where it is dog eat dog to survive, does what ever is needed to win, thinks out of the box.
Superman see Batman as another super hero good guy, thinks he could use a hug.
Batman on the other hand looks at Superman as competition, and would look for weak spots to exploit for his own personal gain. Of course he would know all about Kryptonite and the means to get it.
Batman would have a natural upper hand on Superman, based on his background.
Re:That's easy (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:No Contest (Score:2, Insightful)
Lex Luthor? Batman would buy him out and put him to work in the mailroom.
Solomon Grundy, Bizarro Superman, Apocolypse
vs
Dr Friese, Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Bain, Clayface, Croc
That'd probably be more interesting than Superman vs Batman
Re:No Contest (Score:2, Insightful)
But, let's look at the Batman thing again: he could just save Bruce's parents (it's a good deed, right?), and prevent Batman from ever being created. Hell, he'd win by defusing the fight -- it just would never take place and Superman would prevail.
The movie was ridiculous, and as silly as reversing the Earth's rotation in order to turn back the clock of time is, it still doesn't bother me as much as the paradoxes involved in time travel (which were never dealt with). I'm willing to call the Earth/spin/reverse-time thing "artistic freedom" (how do you convey to kids the idea of what's going on? There's better ways, sure, but I'll let 'em slide!). The real problem is that it forever ruined Superman as an entity that actually has to fight for anything (there's some real power in time travel!)
To be fair, maybe I should disregard the movies and only look at what's happened in the world of comics (I haven't followed any stories closely in many moons, though I was a huge fan of Batman and Spiderman comics). Hopefully, no time travel in those!
Thanks for the link, I will check it out (I am personally rooting for Batman, don't get me wrong!)
I just hope the movie, if it gets made, is a little better thought out than the Superman movies of yesteryear!
Re:No Contest (Score:1, Insightful)
Actually, the original superman was just a man. He was tough, but not invulnerable. He couldn't fly -- but could jump 1/8th of a mile. His powers weren't special -- he was just as strong as any kryptonian -- and didn't come from our sun. That came much later
Superman's powers were toned down considerably for Justice League. (and since when can Wonder Woman fly?)
Wait a sec...which Batman? Which Superman? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:No Contest (Score:3, Insightful)
That, coupled with X-ray vision, heat (laser)vision, super strength, invulernability, flight, well, he's kinda misbalanced.
If you want to go back to the original, "Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound," fine, he's got super speed, invulernability, super jump, X-ray vision, and super strength. Still would put my money on him, as that "faster than a speeding bullet" means he can break the sound barrier, which probably would be enough to be able to take out batman.
Batman is a wuss - he's like Velma and Fred rolled into a single character, with Johnny Quest's foolhardy bravado, then given lots of money and stature within the city. He romps around the city in tights and rubber armor with a boy wonder... If you've ever read Mark Leigh and Mike Lepine's "How to be a Superhero" (NBM Books: 1992) (some excerpts here [topix.com] - probably among the funniest books I've ever read... but out of print) you'll have heard this before, but "People talk..."
About your dodging thing - what a wussy way out. Superman takes it like a man. He's probably faster than the Flash, as well as more powerful, he just doesn't flaunt his super-speed like that piss ant hero. Don't even get me going on Aquaman...
Enough knocking Wonder Woman - Wonder Woman has magic bracers that deflect bullets. Batman has... a utility belt. Wonder woman has an invisible plane to get around (at least in superfriends). Batman has... a nice car (but hey, it is jet powered...). Wonder Woman has a magic lasso that makes Batman passive and tell only the truth... Batman has... Robin!
Re:Like Hollywood doesn't have enough problems (Score:2, Insightful)
P.S. The biggest difference between Batman and The Shadow is that Batman is a brooding billionnaire who fights crime on a quest for vengeance, whereas The Shadow is a former military aviator and spy who has appropriated the fortune of another man (Lamont Cranston, who allows The Shadow to assume his identity while he is off running around the globe), and basically fights crime for the thrill of it (he got bored after WWI ended).