Superhero Smackdown 602
Paul writes "Fox News is running a story that asks one of the best geek questions of our generation: who win if Superman and Batman fought one another?. The last this topic was big was during the Spider-Man/AOTC rush in May. I distinctly remember a particular essay that compared Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, any Jedi (particularly Yoda), and James Bond." Obviously the author didn't read DK2 ;) And I put my money on Deadpool, if only because his quips are better.
No Contest (Score:1, Interesting)
Duh... (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, Superman vs the Flash, who would win that race?
It's already been settled... (Score:5, Interesting)
Batman kicked Supermnan's ass with the help of a biomech suit and some kryptonite. Doesn't matter how he did it, the result was still the same.
Batman... (Score:3, Interesting)
SealBeater
Like Hollywood doesn't have enough problems (Score:5, Interesting)
predator versus aliens, however is an idea that people are actually looking forward to. I think ever since predator 2, where there was an alien skull on display, people have been dying to watch the two races go at it.
and I just don't know about the freddy v. jason thing. I know it's been being kicked around for 10 years or so, unless someone hatches a good plot for it, there's going to be no point in it. it'd just be a race to see who can find people having sex first and then wax them.
AvP (Score:3, Interesting)
Comic Books.
Aliens versus Predator was originally (IIRC) a short in Dark Horse Presents, that was spun off into its own comic. The first series was great - it was about a group of humans who colonized a Predator 'Hunt' planet unbeknownst to the Predators, so when the Predators seeded the planet with Alien eggs they got more than they bargained for (of course, it's more complex than that). There have been a number of other comics (and books) in the same vein, all of them with their good points and bad points.
But one can't speak of comic crossovers without speaking of Batman v. Predator, Aliens v. Predator v. Terminator, Superman v. Aliens - not to mention the various Marvel and DC comics that are about pitting one superhero against another (X-Men and Batman are just versus of the week). The list is virtually endless. It's a lot cheaper to make a comic than a movie, but I think most of these ideas have real merit.
I really, really hope AvP is made into a movie - it's already had two great and successful video games. Of course, we'd have to wait until it came out on DVD to see it
-lw
Re:Rollins VS Danzig (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:That's easy (Score:5, Interesting)
Thus, Batman would win hands down.
Re:No Contest (Score:5, Interesting)
Beyond that, Superman's powers would have to be exceptionally weak for Batman to win in any modern comic adaptation. The situation would have to be engineered so that Superman's powers were reduced--perhaps through a weakening of the sun's rays, and the two heroes would have to have some reason for fighting, perhaps thinking the other had gone crazy through a series of elaborate framings by one of the criminal organizations.
It could be a really interesting story, but it would have to be done extremely carefully.
As an aside, I recall a long time ago when the Freddy vs. Jason movies were all the talk of the BBSs when the idea of multiple endings was thrown around. The idea was that each theater would be given one of two possible endings to the conflict, where each of the villains was the victor. Of course, a third
Don't let the leotard fool you. (Score:5, Interesting)
Batman's weakness is clearly physical and his boundaries seem to be imposed upon him by nature. However he will do whatever is necessary to break and bend these shortcomings. Can't fly? Get a batwing. No heat-ray eyes? Use lasers. As such Batman's real limit is his ingenuity.
So who would win? Unstoppable but self-restraining force vs. struggling, but limitless potential.
It really seems to be a foregone conclusion.
From the comics... (Score:5, Interesting)
Batman is unique that he does not have super powers, but is a razer honed human in terms of his abilities, and has many very cool gadgets for any situation that may arise. He might not be able to fly at will, shoot lasers out of his eyes, move like lightening, or be able to manipulate the physics forces around him, but he's one clever, *determined* bastard. When I think of revenge in the justice sense, Batman is the image that comes to mind. He is a dark, human superhero that fights for very human reasons.
Re:Real vs. imaginary superheroes (Score:5, Interesting)
Blockquoth the poster:
Celebrity Deathmatch is popular not because they're heroes but because they're NOT heroes. They are the spoiled, obnoxious, inbred children of our grotesque pop culture, and watching them beat the crap out of each other fulfills that secret fantasy we all have of doing it ourselves in real life.
Real fighting between real heroes... nope, that just wouldn't be very enjoyable.
Batman has done this before!! (Score:2, Interesting)
In Dark Knight, by Frank Miller, Batman kicked Superman's ass big time. Then, in JLA, R'as Al'Ghul (correct sp?) stole batman's profiles of the JLA with the ways of neutralizing each of them, and proceeded to swiftly remove them from the picture (for Batman he stole his parent's bodies, and he went nuts). In short: Batman will beat anyone you care to throw at him (well, he may have some trouble with Lobo, if only because he is more Bugs Bunny like in that he takes a lickin' and keeps a' kickin)
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An Interesting Alternate Universe Idea (Score:5, Interesting)
In the U.S., Bruce Wayne is a major contributor the war effort, and does his Batman thing. When he hears of the this "superman" laying waste to many of his finest weapons supplied to the Allied effort, he does a little research and takes on this new menace, personally.
Now THAT would be an interesting Batman/Superman story, hero and antihero, and without Superman's current morality limitations. Nazi Supes would crush Batman without a second thought unless Batman was very, very careful.
Re:Like Hollywood doesn't have enough problems (Score:3, Interesting)
But Batman has defeated Superman several times. You can say all you want about him using kryptonite or getting help, or whatever, but he still won.
Batman has a distinct advantage over everyone in JLA. 1) He's the world's best fighter, hands down. 2) He's the world's smartest detective, hands down. And he has a third advantage, he's not a superhero, he's a normal human. People, especially superheroes, always underestimate him.
predator versus aliens, however is an idea that people are actually looking forward to. I think ever since predator 2, where there was an alien skull on display, people have been dying to watch the two races go at it.
Well, I think we know who won that fight, then
Re:An Interesting Alternate Universe Idea (Score:3, Interesting)
I actually like your Nazi idea better though.
Re:Like Hollywood doesn't have enough problems (Score:2, Interesting)
Who would win.... (Score:1, Interesting)
It's so clear (Score:1, Interesting)
If Batman has kryptonite, it's either a stalemate or he wins (if he gets close enough).
If Batman does not have kryptonite, he is dead. I don't care what technology he has... superman is invulnerable to everything except kryptonite.
Re:Dumbest question ever (Score:3, Interesting)
Have the
Does it hurt to be this ignorant?
Batman has already won, it was in comic books. You seem to be underestimating the fact he's a few orders of magnitude smarter than Superman and has unlimited funding. Let me reiterate this for you, Batman has already beat Supes. DKR, DKR, Frank Miller; they are your friends.
Re:Real vs. imaginary superheroes (Score:2, Interesting)
"I have practiced Moo Do, an eclectic martial art based on Tae Kwon Do. In November 1997 I attained the rank of Black Belt (1st Dan). I am now studying aikido at Turk's Head Aikikai." -- ESR (from http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/personal.html)
Re:The King.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Thats why Smallville is worth watching(though I don't, no TV in my room grr..). His powers are still manifesting, and as a teenager, he still struggles with moral dillemas rather than seeing it all in black and white. What gets me most about Superman, is there is little moral struggle. It may have developed more though, been a while since I read comics of any sort regularly.
Batman anyday. (Score:2, Interesting)
Resolution? All the other JLA heroes show up dragging their subdued martians, everybody looking all beat up and bedraggled, and bitching about how there's still three more martians to take care of. Then someone notices Batman's not around. As they look around for him, he shows up, dragging *three* unconscious martians, and not a scratch on him, and a smile from ear to ear.
Score: Superman- One martian (and just barely at that). Batman- Three martians, without even breaking a sweat. Everyone else - maybe half a martian.
My money's on the guy in the bat suit.
This has already been decided. (Score:3, Interesting)
The motivation for Batman challenging Superman is a bit more complex, but in a nutshell: the Man of Steel is working for the guvmint, and has been used to to stamp out vigilantism of the sort practiced by Wayne and the Green Arrow--in fact, the latter loses one of his arms after Superman rips it off. (Thus his motivation for helping Batman.) So Superman represents an oppressive, Reagan-era government, and Batman of course is the freedom fighter struggling to reclaim the streets. That oversimplifies it a lot, but it does nicely set up the climactic showdown.
how would that be a contest? (Score:3, Interesting)
That's a good idea, but considering that in the DBZ world, Goku has god-like abilities (i.e. can destroy planets and such) how would this be even remotely fair? It'd be over before it began. TMNT versus Power Rangers might be good for a laugh though. But what would those turtles do when the rangers call their robots? Steal the Terror Drome?
Sorry, your all wrong (Score:3, Interesting)
Sherm
Re:An Interesting Alternate Universe Idea (Score:3, Interesting)
Ah, the most All American of our costumed heroes (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:An Interesting Alternate Universe Idea (Score:4, Interesting)
http://blaklion.best.vwh.net/ubermensch.html [vwh.net]
(According to that link, a (secretly Jewish) German 'Batman' has also been done).
Ubermensch doesn't seem to be available online, but another of Kim Newman's short stories with an interesting take on the superhero genre is:
http://www.johnnyalucard.com/coastal.html [johnnyalucard.com]
Re:Dumbest question ever (Score:3, Interesting)
It's a well known facet of the entire DC world. Superman gave Batman kryptonite because Batman is the only person who could possibly defeat Supes. With kryptonite Batman would whoop ass. Bruce Wayne is a genius. Superman is not. Brains win, anything Superman can do with his strength Batman can counter with strategy.
Oh damnit.. I feel like I'm 12 again.
Re:Dumbest question ever (Score:2, Interesting)
Since I'm arguing about a fictional flying man, I'd better not respond to that one.
Re:Wasn't this settled? (Score:3, Interesting)
Superman v. Batman (Score:2, Interesting)
Superman: respects authority without questioning, champion of the state and it's laws, easily manipulated by his ethics, somewhat simple-minded, suckered by authoritarian propaganda. Hard-working middle-class background. Firmly believes in democracy.
Batman: definitely questions authority, champion of individual rights, breaks laws as needed, more interested in justice than doing the right thing. Aristocratic background. Firmly believes that some people are better than others.
These two are really on different sides of the political spectrum. Batman would be a hard core Libritarian or an anarchist, and Supes would likely be a puppet for the GOP.
It's already been done, fools! (Score:3, Interesting)
On a side note, superman is just too unbelieveable. He's a bygone artifact of another era of America's history, sadly enough.
As far as deadpool is concerned... I'm thinking he and batman would get along well, what little I know of deadpool.
I wonder if Wolverine could beat up Superman, personally. Superman is the Man of Steel, and Wolverine has adamantium (sp?) claws - which can cut through steel. (I'm thinking of the earlier Superman, not the pre-Doomsday Superman that was practically invincible and nothing could touch him - which is why they killed him, to bring him down a bit) Not only that, but Wolvie can heal really quickly. Considering Wolverine has caught a blast from sentinals before, and undergone hell, I think he could do it.
What ever happened to taht crossover universe, anyway? I've not been seeing any comics from it.