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Cable TV A La Carte? 461

Anonymous Coward writes "According to this BusinessWeek article you can now get your MTV a la carte. I having been waiting for years to buy my cable by the channel, and this article indicates that my cable company is now legally required to let me. I am going to call Time Warner tomorrow with my list just to see what they say. Anyone out there doing this now?"
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Cable TV A La Carte?

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  • woohoo! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by theWrkncacnter ( 562232 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @11:59AM (#4616920)
    Glad to hear it, now I can get TLC, Discovery, MTV2 and all the other good channels without BET and Lifetime.
  • by airrage ( 514164 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:05PM (#4616982) Homepage Journal
    If the cable companies start losing money on the pay-per-channel, they'll simply rebundle the premium channels (the ones that most people are willing to pay for per channel) and bundle those into basic service making you pay more in the end. Rule #1: In the end, the customer always loses.

    As long as I can keep Women's Entertainment (WE) I'm fine.

  • by MrSkunk ( 544767 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:05PM (#4616985)
    I know that cable companies try to screw you, but I didn't know they were so open about it. This is a quote from one of showtime's spokesmen.
    "It's our hope that our affiliates would use whatever tactics are available to increase their premium penetration."
  • by LordOfYourPants ( 145342 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:06PM (#4616998)
    For places with digital cable, we have the following setup. I'm not speaking for all of Canada, but at least with this cable provider (Rogers).

    1) Analog channels. Channels 2-~78 are analog. We can choose between 3 "tiers" which determine what type of filter is installed at the cable box itself. 2-28 is "basic" cable. 29-~42(?) is another tier, ~43-78 is another. They are grouped this way as to make filtering easier. Changing the programming is a PITA as someone has to physically drive down from the cable company and change things. Usually being wishy-washy as to what you want will net you a $50 charge each time someone has to drive over.

    2) Digital channels. Channels 80-999 are digital. You can order most any of the "basic" ones for $2.50 / each / month. Bundling them in bigger sets gets you bigger discounts. ie: 5 channels for $10, 10 channels for $15, etc. You can mix and match as you please, and they are activated usually before your call to the cable company is finished.

    It's been this way for a year and a quarter now.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:09PM (#4617018)
    Does it? Or is it just cable with a cable?
  • Re:Price limits? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:11PM (#4617032)
    Usually since Cable TV is a government granted monoploy in a locality, any type of pricing must go before some government body. I'm not saying that they couldn't be per$uaded to allow higher rates, but it would be hard to hide the idea of having 1 channel the same price as that channel + the regular package.

    Myself, I'm just happy that my local cable company is too cheap to afford filters for their lines. I get my cable modem + regular cable for $50/month. I just told them that I didn't want the cable TV channels, but they said that the minimum plan has just the local stations they are required to carry. Low and behold when I come home after the hookup, I have full cable. The official reason why I have the regular lineup is that they are too cheap to buy the correct filters to block the stations. Oh well. :)
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:11PM (#4617033)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Jobe_br ( 27348 ) <bdruth.gmail@com> on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:15PM (#4617071)
    I don't see anything that says that the Time Warners, Charter Communications, and Cox Cable networks out there have to charge any *less* for saying "I want HBO-East only!" v. what they charge for having 6 HBO channels (comedy, family, etc.) From what I can recall, adding a premium channel has always been $10-$15 extra a month - just now you get multiple premium channels for the price of one.

    Am I missing something here? Seems to me that being able to select which regular channels you want (so you don't have to get QVC, for example) would be more useful.
  • by cdrudge ( 68377 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:16PM (#4617077) Homepage
    I showed my wife an article about the behind the sceens of one of those episodes and how much damage/money it costs to repair the "renovation". I believe it was either the one where the lady cried on camera or the hay on the walls. She now hates the show even more then I do. :)

    Her best friend recently had a neighbor do an episode. The weekend after they left they undid everything that they had done to their room.
  • by joe52 ( 74496 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:17PM (#4617092) Homepage
    What are the cable deals like for Slashdot readers outside of the US?

    I spent four months living in France this year and my cable provider had a point system. Each channel cost a certain number of points (ranging from about 2 for something boring up to 15-25 for a premium channel) and you paid for packages with varying amounts of points. Then you could pick the channels you wanted and not waste points on something you would never watch. It seemed like a better deal (perhaps not cheaper, but much more flexible) than what we have in the US. I don't even have cable here since I'm not a huge fan of television and cable TV packages cost more than I am willing to pay.

    -Joe
  • by Zathrus ( 232140 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:26PM (#4617160) Homepage
    This is how most cable companies are running things now -- a lot of them actually restructured channel numbers when they went "digital" to do it too.

    The wonderful thing about "digital" cable is that it isn't. Only some of the channels are digital - generally everything below 80-100 is still analog. You can tell which are which by looking at the packages - the basic cable and extended basic are all analog. But any channels that get added by upgrading to a digital cable package are digital. Heck, if you're on digital cable you can still plug in a TV/VCR to the cable feed without a box and tune to any of the analog channels.
  • What I want (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sakusha ( 441986 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:28PM (#4617174)
    is JapanTV, a 24/7 NHK feed. I'd have to upgrade my DirecTV decoder and get a new oval dish with dual receivers. Then I can get JTV a la carte for only $30/month. But I'd have to invest about $300 before I can even start spending the $30/mo. At least it would all work with my TiVo, they even have program listings. They have a bunch of ultrapremium channels in this price range or higher. Ouch, those prices are too damn high!
  • by Surak ( 18578 ) <surak&mailblocks,com> on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:31PM (#4617196) Homepage Journal
    It says you can get HBO without having to pay for a premium level of service. They can still require you to get basic service and even make you rent a digital box.

    Actually, in the case of AOL/TW, you are required to have digital cable in order to have HBO, because they simply don't offer HBO on their analog cable.

    'Sides, one thing they can do (and are doing) to control this is with cable modems. I have AOL/TW's cable modem service. They charge $44.95/mo unless you have at least what they call their 'extended basic' package, which costs $39.95/mo. Otherwise, the price is $89.95/mo for the cable modem by itself.

  • Dish (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:33PM (#4617215)
    We have 3 tuners in our house. I recently called Dish to see about getting an upgrade on one of the tuners to more channels. The support person told that I would have to upgrade the smart cards in all 3 tuners. I asked why and he began to babble some stupidity about how they all "worked together". I informed I was a computer tech and was completely sure that my tuners weren't networking in any form and worked independently of eachother. Eventually he got around to admitting that Dish requires this on all when you upgrade one. Of course that means I would have to pay times 3 for the 3 tuners.
    I declined their "generous" terms.
    I wish the FCC would look into this obvious deception by Dish.
  • by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:51PM (#4617362)
    What are the cable deals like for Slashdot readers outside of the US?

    Well, in the UK, you've got Cable (NTL or Telewest generally) or if you want Digital, you have Sky [sky.co.uk] and Freeview [freeview.co.uk] (used to be called OnDigital then ITV Digital then bust).

    Freeview is in its unfancy and is basically free stuff. I also know very little about it.

    Sky on the other hand has tonnes of packages [sky.com]. In short, all the decent channels (IMO) are spread about several packages. Which means that if you want all of them you have to pay the premium rate and get 55 other really rubbish ones.

    AFAIK there is no way to pick and chose your cable products too. You just have to pick a bundle and put up with the rubbish ones that come with it.

  • by ncc74656 ( 45571 ) <scott@alfter.us> on Thursday November 07, 2002 @12:59PM (#4617452) Homepage Journal
    The wonderful thing about "digital" cable is that it isn't. Only some of the channels are digital - generally everything below 80-100 is still analog. You can tell which are which by looking at the packages - the basic cable and extended basic are all analog. But any channels that get added by upgrading to a digital cable package are digital. Heck, if you're on digital cable you can still plug in a TV/VCR to the cable feed without a box and tune to any of the analog channels.

    That's just a pass-through connection...if you plug a TV directly into the cable outlet, it'll pick up analog. Here in Las Vegas at least (maybe in other Cox markets as well), I'm fairly sure that if you subscribe to digital cable, all channels are delivered as digital channels. I saw some decoding glitches last night while watching Enterprise, which would indicate that even the local channels are converted to digital before they're sent out. (It's either that, or the hard drive in my TiVo is acting up...but I doubt that's the case.)

  • We can here... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by wiswaud ( 22478 ) <esj@wwd.PERIODca minus punct> on Thursday November 07, 2002 @01:29PM (#4617722) Homepage
    In Quebec with Videotron at least, digital tv has packages, but can be bought a-la-carte. You do need to get a base package which includes a few channels (like all on-air stations), but that's about CAN$10. You then have to choice to buy any channels you want. Most cost, if i remember correctly, CAN$1.50, but things like Playboy will cost you more.
    I found i still preferred to get a big package, though, just because i like to have lots of channels around. But someone who only wants the essential plus HBO wouldn't have to buy a package.
  • UK (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Martin S. ( 98249 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @03:16PM (#4618621) Journal
    What are the cable deals like for Slashdot readers outside of the US?

    Perhaps the biggest difference is that the dominant pay-tv supplier is satellite, not cable. The satellite system has practically completed the switch to digital, the cable systems are much more recent than the US <10 yo) and pretty much entirely digital. You usually get a free STB, but are committed to a min contract of 1 year and pay for services.

    The packages are similar to the older US system as described in the article, but are sorted by content type rather than supplier. i.e. Entertainment, Sport or Movie packages rather than Disney, Vista, etc. These tend to be priced at £10-£20 (15-30 $/) per package per month for ~10 channels. The exception is the premium movie channels with cost about £8-£16 (12-20 $/) each pcm, expensive but good. They do seem to take most new-release movies within a few weeks of DVD release.

    Aside from the Premium Movie Channels, the best content is available from the free-to-air BBC which is mainly distributed though both analog and digital terrestrial (UHF) transmission. They are usually also bundled with the other transmission mediums. This medium also support some national and regional advert funded, free-to-air channels of good quality.

    The new kid on the block is broadband IP-DTV, this is delivered via broadband xDSL line to a STB. It differs from cable because the network topology is star and not a ring. It supports a real return channel, dedicated bandwidth to each installation. And therfore allows true content on demand (VOD), server side PVR, and real interactive content. I guess you can call it programme level al-a-carte. Each movie is about £1.50-2.50 UKP (2-3.50 $/) for 24hours, this is about the same as a movie rental.

    I work on this (www.kitv.co.uk) IP-DTV project. There are a couple of others, Yes, and Homechoice.

  • Why No One knows (Score:3, Interesting)

    by goon america ( 536413 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @03:24PM (#4618694) Homepage Journal
    A spokeswoman for the Federal Communications Commission says the agency can't require cable operators to advertise the new option because that would violate the constitutional right to free speech.

    Tell that to the cigarette companies. They are being forced to advertise the cancer-causing properties of their products -- against their right to free speech!

    For-profit companies do not have the same right to the freedom of speech as do individuals. The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are addressed to human beings, not commercial entities. The Constitution begins with the famous phrase "We the people" and the Bill of Rights amendements all specifically designate people as the recipients of those important freedoms.

    This law will be totally ineffective unless the corporations are forced to inform their own customers about their legal rights and options when purchasing services from them. It's not such a radical idea -- there are plently of examples of this already. The FCC should stop its laissez faire approach to regulation and actually try to enforce the law for a change.

  • by Tranvisor ( 250175 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @03:44PM (#4618886) Homepage
    I called Time Warner in my area and gave them my list of channels. Here's my list.

    ESPN2
    MTV2
    CNN
    Comedy Central
    Cartoon Network
    TNT
    USA
    FX
    History Channel
    The Learning Channel
    Discovery
    Animal Planet
    Sci-Fi
    National Geographic Channel

    The representative told me that I was 'wrong' and that I would have to pay $50 a month to get these, "along with over 120 additional channels". I told about the Cable Act, and she told me I was mistaken.

    So there's non-compliance with the law right there. Should I press charges ;)?

    Bastard cable companies.
  • by _ph1ux_ ( 216706 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @03:59PM (#4619001)
    I jsut got off the phone with AT&T digital cable.

    These people are criminals.

    I signed up for HBO in september - I told them that i didnt want anything but to add HBO to my existing service. I was told that there was now way that I could get HBO unless I signed up for their Silver package - at 62 per month.

    I asked what it came with and she listed all this other crap - i said that I didnt want any of that - that i just wanted HBO.

    Then I called today about this law - and the fact that I just wanted HBO - and they quoted a range of other packages that are cheaper that had HBO. The girl said that they didnt have these packages in September which is why I wasnt offered. I told her to find out. Low and behold - these packages were available in september, they dont knwo why i was told otherwise - and that no they could not change the package and give me credit back retro-active.

    the said that if you want HBo its 13.95/month + plus 12.55 for basic + 5.00 for the digital cable box rental.

    this is all bullshit. I wanted to hit them in the face with a shovel.

    In the end all i got was 10 off my bill for the next year.

    but I think Ill just cancel all together.
  • Taking the next step (Score:3, Interesting)

    by TrevorB ( 57780 ) on Thursday November 07, 2002 @07:06PM (#4621009) Homepage
    We already have this in Canada. Out on the west coast, 31 channels were introduced on digital cable (yes, more if you're on sattelite). You can get one channel a la carte for $2/mo, 5 for $6/mo, 10 for $10/mo, and all of them for $20/mo. No, I can't yet choose to keep the older (still analog) TLC and drop Home and Garden TV, but it's a start.

    There's also a lot of selection in PPV. Movies for $5 (a bit pricey I think).

    What I'd like to see next is the ability to order specific shows on stations you don't subscribe to, for, say, $0.25 a show. All the TV listings are already there in the Digital cable box. I'd be more interested paying for shows than for channels. Take that marketing data to see if a show should stay on the air or not.

    And for the record, I've only ordered one channel from the 31.

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