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Fast CD-R Drives Make For Twice the Piracy 524

Bowie J. Poag notes this Register story about an RIAA copyright infringement bust in New York. The RIAA claims the operation had the equivalent of 421 CD-burners, which, translated from RIAA-speak, means "156 CD-burners but some of them were fast". How they expect anyone to take their statistics seriously is beyond me.
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Fast CD-R Drives Make For Twice the Piracy

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  • by roseblood ( 631824 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @04:27PM (#4893268)
    So, a 40x cd-r is far faster than average? What the hell are they using as a baseline? I can write at 40x myself. To me that is avreage. I went to the store, I saw 50something, 40, and 32 available. That makes 40x about average (average really would be something between 40x and 42x...seeing that the 50somethings were probably 52x)

    Funny math. Next thing you'll see is that your PC is a few thousand times faster than the average computer! (ENIAC as basline? Maybe a 8mhz 286?)

  • counterfeit money (Score:5, Interesting)

    by recursiv ( 324497 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @04:34PM (#4893328) Homepage Journal
    From your linked page:
    The other crimes investigated by the USSS include counterfeiting of US currency; the forgery or theft of US Treasury cheques, bonds or other securities; telecommunications fraud; identity fraud; credit card fraud; and other crimes against federal financial organisations and infrastructure.


    As you should now be able to see, none of this applies to any of the CDs which were being burned at higher than average speed.
  • by jdhutchins ( 559010 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @04:36PM (#4893344)
    I know this sounds redundant, but how did they get 421? If one CD-R drive is 40x, does it count as 40 CD-R drives? If they did it that way, then it would seem like most of the drives being used were fairly slow, because otherwise the number would have been higher. It was a professional pirating business, so I'm guessing many of the drives would have been at least 24x. If each drive is at least 24x, then 156*24 = 3744. With the numbers they gave (and the speed of a CD player counts as many times), the average CD-R speed is just over 2. But that seems hard to believe, because these are (were) professionals, and they would have had the money to get faster CD-R drives.

    The only reason the RIAA published this number is to make the media grab it more. This is the same thing they did with "Everyone using Napster is pirating music", which wasn't exactly true (many were, but not all). The media ate up the RIAA's headline, and ignored the real truth behind it.
  • Re:Does this mean... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by smittyoneeach ( 243267 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @04:42PM (#4893385) Homepage Journal
    Worse still, if you have a script that generates an arbitrary number of 4:33 .mp3s of nothing, you can violate John Cages [mindspring.com] copyright in truly efficient fashion.
    Now, if the product is a copyright violation, is the script itself a violation as well? What does the I-ANAL crowd think?
  • by Kiwi ( 5214 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @04:43PM (#4893386) Homepage Journal
    These kinds of busts of people who willfully infringe on copyright is the kind of activity that the RIAA should be using, instead of attempting to encumber everyone's computers, regardless of the guilt of the computer user.

    When the HRAA (home recording rights act) was passed, it set a dangerous precedent of being presumed guilty. No matter how one wished to use home stereo equipment which can copy audio digitally, one was treated like a media pirate.

    For example, when I was burning a CD of my own music (which I own the copyright on) two years ago, I was not allowed to make a digital copy of one of my songs to the new CD. What happened was that a flag saying the song was a copy was set; my CD recorder does not allow me to make digital copies of copies. It assumes that all such activity is piracy, even though I use this equipment to make copies of my own songs.

    In addition, the CD player forces me to pay extra for CD blanks because it assumes that my activities are copyright infringment activities. In other words, I have to pay the media companies royalties for the privledge of copying my own music. Fortunatly , there is a bug in the firmware which allows me to work around this issue and use far more inexpensive "computer" CDR blanks.

    The RIAA and MPAA are trying to cripple computers in a similar manner, which such abominations as the SSSCA. They should stop treating honest computer users like criminials and start persecuting people who willfully engage in piracy.

    People who do not think piracy is a problem are mainly in the US, where it is not the kind of problem it is in other countries. In México, for example, one can hardly walk down a street in a shopping district without noticing stands where people sell burned copies of music CDs, complete with inkjet printouts of the cover art for the CD. These kinds of sales do hurt the profits of the RIAA. Obviously not to the extent that every person who buys a burned copy is someone who would have bought a legitimate copy otherwise, but certaintly to a lesser extent.

    The people who willfully pirate music and movies need to be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law; I will go so far as to say that the law needs to be set up to make persecuting these people easier. But only the guilty should be punsished; methods for duplicating and distributing music and movies, which are very helpful for promoting independent artists, should not be crippled by the media companies.

    - Sam
  • From the other side (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kmahan ( 80459 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @04:49PM (#4893440)
    Since the RIAA is cracking down on piracy and scaring people into not making personal copies of their own CDs it stands to reason that this is cutting into the profits of CD Burner and Media producers. It seems to me (using the RIAA's own logic) that the RIAA should be charged a certain amount per CD/DVD they sell to give back to the Burner/Media producers to make up for the losses in revenue. But then again, I could be wrong.
  • Re:You see... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MsGeek ( 162936 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @04:49PM (#4893448) Homepage Journal
    No shit...it's also mathematics like this that allow record companies to cook their books and deny their slaves...I mean artists...royalties they deserve. Check this [negativland.com] out.
  • by uncoveror ( 570620 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @04:58PM (#4893509) Homepage
    156=421? Is this the new math? Even when they are busting real pirates, [dontbuycds.org] the RIAA fudges the numbers. Their dishonesty demonstrates that they are a criminal syndicate themselves. Read more about why no consumer should buy their products at dontbuycds.org [dontbuycds.org]
  • Various Quotes (Score:2, Interesting)

    by sameb ( 532621 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @05:13PM (#4893606) Homepage
    A small collection of rather interesting quotes, taken from the RIAA's press release & the Register article...

    --- .. the U.S. Secret Service, assisted by a team of investigators from the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), on Monday morning raided a major music piracy operation in New York City, leading to the capture [...] of 421 CD-R burners [...].

    "There were only 156 actual burners, but some run at very high speeds: some as high as 40x. This is well above the average speed," was the official line yesterday.

    The Secret Service, we naively presumed, was employed to protect high-ranking elected officials.

    "Perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?" asked Amy Weiss, the RIAA's Senior VP of Communications.
  • by Steve Franklin ( 142698 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @05:22PM (#4893656) Homepage Journal
    These are the same "statisticians" who think that the continual seizing of multimillions of dollars worth of drugs ("street value" of course) equates somehow to "winning the war on drugs." The RIAA's logic assumes that there is an infinite demand for pirated CDs and that, therefore, any increase in speed of reproduction equates to an increase in sales. No wonder, is it not, that they can't wrap their brains around the idea of increased sales through increased exposure? These characters cannot grasp the very simplest concepts of economics. Would anyone wish to speculate on whether this results from a perspective hatched in the very nest of monopoly conditions?
  • Piracy for Profit... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sterno ( 16320 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @05:25PM (#4893671) Homepage
    The important difference with these guys is that they are pirating music to make money off of it. Consumers who make copies and distribute them are doing it for free. Actually, more acurately, consumers are PAYING to pirate the music since they have to have a broadband connection to be able to do it, a decent CD ripper/burner, etc.
  • by CakerX ( 149266 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @07:36PM (#4894595)
    too bad everyone here agrees with you already, and if they don't, their a %90 likely to be a troll. Good words, but put 'em somewhere were normal people will read them. Post that somewhere were people still undecided will see that downloading a few songs of win MX or KazaA won't cause the end of the world. Because, right now, public opinion on filesharing is starting to change on the non-tech sector of the public. The techies will never give in, but they don't need to. half of america doesn't know two things about computers, ever downloaded mp3's and generaly believes what the voice on the TV says, opinions and all. Popular opinion, like fads in music, can easily be manipulated, especially by a company that already OWNS the media industry.

    EXAMPLE:

    Surgio from system of a down was on k-rock(92.3 NYC), about 2 weeks ago. One of the DJs asked him what he though about their new album being leaked to the internet early. Surgio promply responded, "Well, there is nothing wrong with downloading mp3s from the internet..." This and comming on the heals of many other artists ralying to save napster last year( or was it two years, cannot remeber). This shows just how much the artists are hurting by this. Remeber for every album you buy at $18, the artist makes an average of 7 cents($0.07).

    (PLEASE HOLD ALL COMMENTS ABOUT SOAD, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE)
  • by Kashif Shaikh ( 575991 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @07:41PM (#4894635)
    There are a lot of wisdom in those words.

    Big guys wanna take out the small guys, but big guys need to spin doctor it enough so that small guys look bad, so no one really notices the big guys' work in the noise. Big guys get to keep high prices and big guys make big government very happy. Small guys not very good as they undercut prices of the 'goods'. Big government keeps 'save the children' people happy because they are getting rid of the small guys. Also big goverment labelled small guys as 'Terrorists or Funding Terrorists', so that big guys are even more happy.

    All in all more drug trade profit == more money and "donations".

    'nuff said.
  • by ealar dlanvuli ( 523604 ) <froggie6@mchsi.com> on Sunday December 15, 2002 @08:48PM (#4895088) Homepage
    a=b
    aa=ba
    aa-bb=ba-bb
    (a+b)(a-b)=b(a-b)
    a=b therefore a-b = 0
    (a+b)*0=b*0
    0=0
    a=b for all reals.

    Mines better (and requires more effort to spot the flaw =p)
  • by Nasheer ( 179086 ) on Sunday December 15, 2002 @08:54PM (#4895129) Journal
    Impossible.
    421 is prime.
  • by nihilogos ( 87025 ) on Monday December 16, 2002 @01:43AM (#4896744)
    Not infinite, there has to be some upper bound proportional to the population.

    Well, if someone has a pirated copy then all their descendents, and their descendents' descendents and so on have access to that pirated material as well, thus robbing the RIAA of income for an infinite succession of generations.

    What's more, it's uncountably infinite.

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