Please create an account to participate in the Slashdot moderation system

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
News

Microsoft Introduces Its Own CD Copy-Inhibition Scheme 342

M.C. Hampster writes "MSNBC is carrying a Reuters story about Microsoft's new CD protection technology. At the heart of the technology is the laying of songs "onto a copy-controlled CD in multiple layers, one that would permit normal playback on a stereo and a PC.""
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Microsoft Introduces Its Own CD Copy-Inhibition Scheme

Comments Filter:
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 18, 2003 @03:08PM (#5108644)
    I'm also tired of hearing that PC == Windows running PC.

    Dear MSNBC, the software is called the "Windows Media Data Session Toolkit", so it won't play on a PC, it will play on a Windows running PC.

    And each time news source talk about a new virus, they say things like "infects other computers through e-mail". It's "infects other Windows running computers through Microsoft Outlook", dammit.
  • No it wasn't (Score:4, Informative)

    by LO0G ( 606364 ) on Saturday January 18, 2003 @03:11PM (#5108664)
    Ummm...

    XP's anti piracy wasn't cracked. There were a half a dozen volume activation keys that were leaked, those got shut down with XP SP1. And someone reverse engineered the code in setup that validates the CD key - which is NOT the same thing as cracking the anti piracy. All that does is allow someone who already has a stolen CD to come up with a CD key of their own, after about 4 hours of crunching on their computer. Once they activate the computer with that key, the key is worthless to anyone else, since it won't work on another computer.

    The ONLY keys that have any worth to pirates are the volume activation keys (since the work on multiple computers), and (as I said above) those keys haven't been cracked. Until someone cracks the algorithm to generate the volume activation keys, it hasn't been really cracked.

    And M$ has NEVER EVER EVER said that the anti piracy stuff in XP was uncrackable. They've just said that it was harder than was worth the effort for most people.
  • by handsomepete ( 561396 ) on Saturday January 18, 2003 @03:14PM (#5108679) Journal
    This sounds like some of the things Microsoft has been kicking [microsoft.com] around [com.com] for [microsoft.com] a while [microsoft.com]...

    Wonder if they're somehow making it WMA based on top of the whole layering thing... crazy old Microsoft.
  • Re:ailing, eh? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 18, 2003 @03:37PM (#5108797)
    Sorry, but copyright applies whether or not you agree to any licence agreements, or even in the absence of a notice. In fact, even free software is most definitely non-free to all licence objectors; anyone who copies software released under the GNU GPL (for example) without accepting the licence (or any other allowing such copying) will be liable to damages, injunction and (in some cases) fine and imprisonment.

    What is true is that restrictions on use other than those imposed by copyright law do require the acceptance of an agreement (for example, if a web standard required a patented technique licenced only for web use, and the software accordingly had such a licence restriction, presumably a person could either use the software without accepting the licence (and therefore not be able to copy, distribute, perform or modify it) or could accept the licence (and, on pain of prison, not use it for non-web purposes).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 18, 2003 @03:38PM (#5108800)
    While my better instincts counsel me to follow a policy of laissez-faire, there are a couple of Microsoft's statements I feel I cannot let pass. First things first: Microsoft is willing to promote truth and justice when it's convenient. But when it threatens its creature comforts, Microsoft throws principle to the wind. Microsoft can fool some of the people all of the time. It can fool all of the people some of the time. But it can't fool all of the people all of the time. The long and short of it is that corrupt Neanderthals are unable to see that one could argue that unconscionable litterbugs have traditionally tried to piggyback on substantive issues to gain legitimacy for themselves. That's self-evident, and even Microsoft would probably agree with me on that. Even so, I do not have the time, in one sitting, to go into the long answer as to why behind its mask of benevolence stands a complete plan for world government, world power, world conquest, and the promotion of nefarious negativism. But the short answer is that it is doing everything in its power to make me fall into the trap of thinking that all major world powers are controlled by a covert group of "insiders". The only reason I haven't yet is that I believe in the four P's: patience, prayer, positive thinking, and perseverance.

    It is hard to decide what is stronger in Microsoft: its incredible stupidity as far as any real knowledge or ability is concerned, or the gormless insolence of its behavior. Microsoft will defy the rules of logic long before it can convert me into one of its assistants. As I mentioned before, fatuous clericalism is one of the most effective tools of tyranny. But let me add that I cannot promise not to be angry at it. I do promise, however, to try to keep my anger under control, to keep it from leading me -- as it leads Microsoft -- to borrow money and spend it on programs that turn us into easy prey for clumsy Microsoft clones.

    We must expose Microsoft's machinations for what they really are. Only then can a society free of its salacious hatchet jobs blossom forth from the roots of the past. And only then will people come to understand that it uses the word "flocinauinihilipilification" without ever having taken the time to look it up in the dictionary. Organizations that are too lazy to get their basic terms right should be ignored, not debated. At first, Microsoft just wanted to con us into believing that it is the one who will lead us to our great shining future. Then, it tried to corrupt our youth. Who knows what it'll do next? It's an interesting question, and its examination will help us understand how Microsoft's policies work. Let me start by providing evidence that when Microsoft tells us that the most foolish louts I've ever seen are all inherently good, sensitive, creative, and inoffensive, it somehow fails to mention that anger is contagious. It fails to mention that all it wants is to demonstrate an outright hostility to law enforcement. And it fails to mention that it is reluctant to resolve problems. It always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that I'm willing to accept that its worshippers are in league with unbridled kooks who portray meretricious wackos as spoilsports. I'm even willing to accept that it contributes nothing to society. But its hypocrisy is transparent. Even the least discerning among us can see right through it.

    It is imperative that all of us in this community provide people the wherewithal to stand up and fight for our heritage, traditions, and values. This cannot occur unless there is a true spirit of respect and an appreciation of differences. Throughout history, there has been a clash between those who wish to announce that we may need to picket, demonstrate, march, or strike to stop Microsoft before it can stretch credulity beyond the breaking point and those who wish to seize control of the power structure. Naturally, Microsoft belongs to the latter category.

    I don't want to overstate this point, but if Microsoft gets its way, I might very well lose my temper. Microsoft is too vulgar to read the writing on the wall. This writing warns that I've heard of unambitious things like diabolism and racism. But I've also heard of things like nonviolence, higher moralities, and treating all beings as ends in and of themselves -- ideas which its ignorant, unthinking, pea-brained brain is too small to understand. In closing, all that I ask is that you join me to stop Microsoft and turn Microsoft's sinister drug-induced ravings to our advantage.
  • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Saturday January 18, 2003 @04:19PM (#5109029) Homepage
    No, I think the intent is that an audio CD player sees one "layer" of bits, and a CD-ROM drive sees an entirely different "layer" of bits.

    As they both only have one laser, operating at the same wavelength. If you want different layers, it'll have to be something like SACD, which has one SACD layer, and one normal CD layer. But SACD players require another laser for this. So unless you want to ban conventional CD-ROMs in favor of only CD-ROM+"DRM laser" players, that's not possible.

    Kjella
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 18, 2003 @04:54PM (#5109203)
    actually, microsoft never intended for the XP protection to stop the "crackers" from installing XP. They probably never will be able to, to be honest.

    The XP protection is designed to prevent companies from installing 50 copies of XP with the same cd key on the network. Also to prevent Joe Doe letting Susie borrow his copy of XP so she can have the newest OS too.

    Making an uncrackable protection scheme is no easy task, you know.
  • Re:I don't get it... (Score:5, Informative)

    by blibbleblobble ( 526872 ) on Saturday January 18, 2003 @04:56PM (#5109211)
    "Where is the protection if the cd can still be played on a stereo, or PC?"

    I have to say, MP3.com's CDs have the best copy-protection scheme I've yet seen. They include the MP3 files on the CD, and all the tracks are available for download on the internet. Treating your customers well is the best copy protection

    If someone likes the music I'm listening to, I can point them to a website where they can get a few of the bands' songs, listen to them on streaming-media radio and buy a $6 CD.

    Oh, and part two of the reccommendations: The second best copy-protection mechanism is selling reasonably-priced CDs
  • by aggieben ( 620937 ) <aggieben AT gmail DOT com> on Saturday January 18, 2003 @05:57PM (#5109548) Homepage Journal
    When are they going to finally understand that anything you can play can be copied, and anything you can't play won't make money??? Instead of every industry learning the hard way, they should all learn from Hollywood's example: initially, they fought VHS technology, but when they *finally* figured out that they could make money through rentals, they rolled with it and now make far more than they ever would have without VHS.
  • by Tim C ( 15259 ) on Saturday January 18, 2003 @09:10PM (#5110521)
    Windows can only run on x86-based machines (so far)

    You do realise that there was a version of Windows NT for (at least) Alpha-based machines, don't you?

    Also, I'm fairly certain that MS's handheld and mobile/cell phone OSes are based on WinCE, and neither of those platforms will be x86-based. No, they're not what most people would mean by "PC", either, but we're talking about what architectures Windows runs on.

"Plastic gun. Ingenious. More coffee, please." -- The Phantom comics

Working...