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Why (FM, Not XM) Radio Sucks 616

wemmick writes "The Washington Post has an article "Can XM Put Radio Back Together Again?" which discusses the history of marketing FM radio, how XM could be different, and about Lee Abrams -- "the man who shackled FM radio to the tyranny of mass market research" and is now program director for XM."
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Why (FM, Not XM) Radio Sucks

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  • Re:It's too late.... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by llamaluvr ( 575102 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @10:46PM (#5116294) Journal
    Here in Cleveland, Clearchannel owns just about every prominient station on the FM dial.
  • by green pizza ( 159161 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @10:48PM (#5116306) Homepage
    ClearChannel killed the radio fan.

    In my neck of the woods (northern Texas) it's almost impossible to find an FM station that isn't part of clearchannel's network. Lots of ads, nation-wide contests, clearchannel-approved news/propaganda. Et cetra.

    Yuck.
  • by Slurpee ( 4012 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @10:52PM (#5116328) Homepage Journal
    Is a question that is raised in the article.

    At first glance I thought "no way!". But then again, I thought the same way about pay-TV.

    What do others think?
  • by goatasaur ( 604450 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @10:52PM (#5116333) Journal
    Don't be so pessimistic. There are still a lot of stations that play quality music. The problem is a dearth of good (and diverse) bands/groups.

    Here in St. Louis, there's a great alternative station, KPNT 105.7. They regularly play good music I haven't heard before. On my drive home from work, a program called "The Pit" is on, that reminds me of Headbanger's Ball on MTV. True catharsis is blasting Static-X after dealing with ignorant jerks all day.

    Like the state of popular music, radio is just starting to wake up after being knocked out by a blow to the head in the late 90s.
  • i used to be a radio DJ in Sri Lanka (TNL Radio [tnlradio.com]) and i think that XM MAY be a good idea IF they can please people.. by offering 100 channels (like on cable) they are trying to hit the niche markets.. and i think that the niche markets may buy into it.. if only for a while.. people started to buy cable so that they could get stuff they couldn't get in the "regular" channels and now cable has a niche channel for everyone.. but radio is a little different.. like they say in the article "the commercial FM dial has been essentially reduced to six musical formats: Pop/rock, hip-hop, country, classical, Spanish-language and variations on the theme of "adult contemporary," "... lets face it the channels have been split into that because that is what's popular.. sure XM may allow people to listen to Inuit whaling songs or Apache chants.. but will there be a market for them? or will they just all deteriorate into variations on the 6 standard themes?.. with the RIAA not giving publicity to "non standard" artists and also will they actually have a chance to show up on these channels? i am not sure how good this guy panero is.. but i have had to geal with his fallout.. even here in Sri Lanka we had TNL, a station with a great reputation as a rock station, go downhill into britney spears-esque pop.. the owner decided there was more of a market for it.. (what could we do.. his car, his petrol)... but we lost a lot of fans.. and a lot of us (me included) walked off.. now i listen to stuff i download off the net..

    i guess the point i am trying to make is this.. human nature being what it is.. XM will start off with a bang.. but soon deteriorate into yet another generic music station.. sure they won't have any advertising.. and maybe the choice will be marginally better.. but do you REALLY want to pay $150 + $9.99 per month to hear the Butts Treat Boys?.. remember MTV? and how they had to launch M2 so that people would play them for what they WERE supposed to deliver.. namely music?
  • by sporty ( 27564 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:00PM (#5116372) Homepage
    Let me represent a small bit of NYC. We have a handful of stations. This is all we have on the FM band off the top of my head.

    107.5 - r&b
    103.5 - "dance"
    101.something - jazz
    100.3 - "current pop" music, what kids like
    98.1 - new skool r&b
    97.1 - old skool r&b
    96.3 - classical music
    95.5 - adult contemprary
    92.3 - "current rock"

    There are also about 3 or 4 latin stations. 0 competition. It really sucks. Hopefully, XM will be able to kill off FM completely and switch to a cheaper than cheap brand of "good" music stations. Or at least plentiful ones. Our statiosn don't even compete against each other. *puke*
  • Moses (Score:5, Interesting)

    by limekiller4 ( 451497 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:04PM (#5116385) Homepage
    The first line of the article [washingtonpost.com] reads:
    "Heard avril [sic] Lavigne's 'Complicated' just a wee bit too often?"

    No. No, in fact I've never heard it. I have also never heard Who Let the Dogs Out.

    Ever.

    My friends still can't believe that one. Anyway, I digress...

    The article continues:
    "Who needs radio anymore?"

    Good question. Radio is nothing more than mental babysitting. It has no interest in your tastes, whatsoever; you conform to it (or as close as you can get) and not the other way around. Which are you, small, medium or large now get the fsck in, thanks.

    I'm not a purist and I'm not a music snob. I like pop-ish stuff. I've got Bjork, Oakenfold, BNL, Alanis, U2 and Sublime on my playlist. But I listen to this stuff because I want to and because I got sick of this so-called "prepped, packaged and served up in easy-to-digest bites, like tiny bits of Spam stuck on toothpicks" back around 1997. My tools, of course, was Napster and internet radio, but those are far from the only choices. They're just the ones I chose when I finally got fed up with it all.

    My apologies for the rant but I guess I'm sick of people lamenting the demise of radio as if it is, someplace, written in stone that good music must be carved up and delivered to you on the aforementioned toothpick. Andbody with a tape deck and a little bit of get-off-their-ass can find music that they like, record it, play it back and never have to listen to another advertisement ...if not hearing advert-saturated-sh*t-in-heavy-rotation is what you care for.
  • Re:Easy! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:05PM (#5116388)
    CBC probably offers the best radio out there. As you said sometimes it's bad (which of course is all a matter of taste) but other times it is the best music going. The only other stations that can match the quality programming are College/Univ. stations and they aren't commercial either.

    In conclusion: Commercial radio sucks.
  • the answer is (Score:5, Interesting)

    by beaverfever ( 584714 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:11PM (#5116416) Homepage
    in a word... no.

    unfortunately, U.S. radio is dead, and XM is essentially U.S. Radio. Even if it doesn't suck now, it will soon enough. Program lists are chosen by consumer data, fed into computers and printed on 20lb white. Actually, they probably don't have to bother printing anything - feed the data and the machines will play it - humans just have to drop in the scripted patter from the cloned DJs every station manages to find. Anyways, record companies lean on the broadcasters for support, the broadcasters lean on the record companies for support, and they both end up not moving anywhere worthwhile, and besides they both like to play it safe. The result is playlists that have the same songs played day after day, month after month, from one city to the next. With very few exceptions there is nobody out there willing to take a leadership role, to break new ground, or *gasp* take any chances (chances are bad for business, after all) and not just take what the labels hand-feed them.

    If you're interested, you can listen in online at CBC Radio [www.cbc.ca] (Radio One or Radio Two) or BBC [bbc.co.uk] (1,2,3,4, etc., etc.) and find out what radio that isn't tied by umbilical cord to Big Business can be.

  • by SirDaShadow ( 603846 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:19PM (#5116448)
    XM uses 96kbit and a propiertary codec to send programming to the XM receivers...why can't they or someone else use something like ogg vorbis (very acceptable stereo sound at ~45kbps) and peercast combined with 802.11x(b,g,whatever)/CDMA/WISPs?
  • CD Player (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:20PM (#5116455)
    FM is the reason I got a CD Player. I was tired of hearing the same crap on area radio stations, with their seemingly-synchronized commercial breaks.

    As for the spontaneity factor the article talks about, that really doesn't effect me as much. I've had that same "feeling" burning some new tracks from artists I'd discovered through Audiogalaxy (when it was alive).
  • Re:It's too late.... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:21PM (#5116460)
    Here in Cleveland, Clearchannel owns just about every prominient station on the FM dial.

    Well, either them or Infinity. WXTM, WNCX, etc. are all very popular Infinity stations in Cleveland too. So hey, a couple dozen radio stations basically owned by two companies. In Cleveland we like all kinds of music... country AND western. ;-)

  • Luckily here in central Indiana we have a few radio stations left like that. Unfortunately, Clear Channel got the biggest fish in the water, and doesn't seem to worry about the others much.

    Q95 used to be the best rock radio station in the country. They have all kinds of awards from back in the glory days because of a great format, funny morning show hosts (Bob and Tom, who were funny back then), a local focus, and a dedication not to screw over their listeners. Well, they started slipping once Bob and Tom got syndicated. "It's ok, though, they still are pretty funny, even if they aren't really local anymore, and there are the 20 hours of the day when they aren't on nationwide."

    Clear Channel killed those other 20 hours. No one really listens to them anymore, because it's a waste of time. No longer are they the best radio station in the country, they're as bad as most of the other Clear Channel stations.

    Just wanted to share my local tragedy.
  • by modecx ( 130548 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:25PM (#5116486)
    The situation is the same in Colorado. What's worse than ClearChannel owning everything is the apparent commercial synchronization they pull off. More often than not, all of ClearChannel's stations seem* to play commercials at the same time. You go looking for some decent radio, and get an earful of TacoBell and car dealership commercials no matter where you turn the dial.

    *Just an observation of my own. I might be a paranoid freak, though.
  • by Triv ( 181010 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:34PM (#5116528) Journal
    I DO pay for radio, specifically I pay for NPR. They provide conent I'm willing to throw down a couple of bucks for and I'd o insane if they weren't around to remind me that not all media sucks. :)

    Triv
  • Wait. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PaddyM ( 45763 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:51PM (#5116584) Homepage
    Didn't video kill the radio star a long time ago?

    Seriously, what's the big disappointment in radio disappearing. I should listen to what IIII want to hear. Content on demand is the future. I don't need all these RADIO WAVES sending UNSOLICITED INFORMATION. If you think about it, the Radio Stations have been spamming our radios for years. And yet despite all this general dissatisfaction with spam, we don't see the disadvantage in that.

    But NPR is still important. That station can stay. Sending the NEWS over the radio is still important.
  • I have XM (Score:2, Interesting)

    by md27 ( 463785 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:53PM (#5116591) Homepage
    And I use it all the time. No commercials is really, really nice, anyone who's ever had to commute can attest to this. (All the stations I listen to don't have commercials) The other nice feature is a display of what's currently playing, which is much better than listening to a station for another hour trying to figure out what the song was. The reception is fine (NYC Metro Area, sat. not repeater) and it's definitely worth the 10 bucks a month for service. Just NEVER having to channel surf makes it worth it.
  • by Newer Guy ( 520108 ) on Sunday January 19, 2003 @11:54PM (#5116596)
    The irony is that KGB is now owned by Clear Channel. When I was there one summer day in 2001, the station was on autopilot, with an empty studio and the Prophet (aka: "Profit") system playing the generic classic rock tha station now plays (over and over and over). ~sigh~ Ron Jacobs is now retired and lives in Honolulu where he quite vocally trashes 2000 era radio every chance he gets!
  • Re:It's too late.... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by rosie_bhjp ( 40538 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @12:03AM (#5116639) Homepage
    In Cincinnati its no different. Its either Clearchannel or Infinity. Although we do get WOXY [woxy.com] which is independantly owned and operated and quite good.
    Offtopic, but, just went to Cleveland a few months back and I have to say I am quite impressed with what has been done to the downtown area, the flats, rock and roll hall of fame, science museum, etc.. very nice. Cheers
  • by ReaperOfSouls ( 523060 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @12:10AM (#5116678) Homepage
    Well in general XM would never be poised to kill radio. The basic fact of the matter is that radio is the way radio is, because most of the general public are lemmings. As the article states, the genres have gone to the crucible and spewing forth came 6-7 distinct flavors. These are there because the market for the programimg is.

    For those that actually, fall in to those 6-7 categories of listeners, FM is just fine. They would have no need or desire to pay $10 a month for 100 stations of which 90%-95% fall out of their listening tastes.

    XM really will find a niche in listeners who are disenfranchised by FM. I am sorry I cannot take another Creed song, less I go postal and slay all that I work with. My tastes sway a great deal and hardly ever fall in to a marketable segment. For me listening to FM is an utter waste of time. Just more time for the corporate masters to try and feed me marketing and lemming food.

    The point of XM is to do something that could never be done on a local level, putting together niche entertainment for a small segment of consumers. The idea is that you reap in all the small segment audiences an in theory they will add up to a profitable number total listeners. This will in no way affect the general public's radio consumption, since they can get their fill on FM. It is a direct analogy to cable television. Cable was in no way a threat to free television. If all you wanted was CBS, NBC or ABC and you could already receive it; there would be no reason to get cable. Though if you wanted say an all science fiction channel, tough luck, because it would be impossible for a local television station, to produce a niche channel for such a small audience. With the advent of cable, you could have your cake and eat it too. You could get your CBS, NBC, and your all science fiction channel. Cable's succes is due to not its ablity to reach people that you could via the free method on a local level, it is about creating a large enough audience pool that you can support creating programming to reach the other people that are removed from the 6-7 most marketable genres. All in all, Cable has augmented television, even more so in the age of digital cable. XM has an equal capacity to augment and improve radio in general.

    Local FM radio will always have its place. It most likely will change and adjust, but will never go away. What XM does have to compete with though is DMX and internet radio. Essentially FM is completely unphased by niche genre content provided for the reasons above, but XM is already competing with these other mediums.

    The only, yet marketable component of XM when compared with the other two, is that it is portable (only in cars and hefty "boom boxes"). If they really want to have any chance at winning the niche genre market they need to produce a "walkman" sized receiver.

    DMX is now provided by most digital cable providers as part of their basic service, so they may have a tough time dislodging them. Their best bet in the home market is to strike deals with cable providers to replace DMX with XM. With a deal such as that they could easily become a true household name and have a chance at getting the subscribership that they need to stay in business. All in all, FM is in no danger from XM, simply because they are pointing at completely different market segments.
  • by Peeing Calvin ( 580935 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @12:30AM (#5116759)
    Wisconsin radio markets (I'm most familiar with Madison and the Green Bay/Fox Valley markets) have a different sort of FM arrangement, I think mostly because everyone around here is white:

    -Two or three "Classic Rock" stations.
    -An "Alternative/Grunge Rock" station.
    -A "Top 40" station.
    -An oldies station.
    -A country station.
    -An NPR news+classical station.
    -An NPR talk+BBC station.

    R&B? What's that?
    Latin? Isn't that a dead language?

    If you like Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and Lynard Skynard, you have no need for XM in the Badger State. Otherwise...
  • by NeMon'ess ( 160583 ) <flinxmid&yahoo,com> on Monday January 20, 2003 @12:39AM (#5116807) Homepage Journal
    You don't understand because you didn't read the article or grep what it said. Very few people listened to FM before Abrams came along. He got people to listen to FM, but now FM exists primarily to make money for the station owners. FM is no longer about making the listeners happy, but getting enough targeted groups to listen to advertizing.

    What Abrams is trying to do with XM is make the listeners happy so they won't mind paying for XM. Imagine driving and never wanting to change the station because you're sick to death of an overplayed song.

    I wouldn't mind if XM killed the commercialization of FM and brought it back to what it used to be, deejays playing what they think listeners would like to hear. Not bloody likely though.

    You go take your ten bucks and while you're at it, make copies of all your CD's or rip them all to .ogg or .mp3 and buy a mp3-HD unit for your car. Not everyone in America knows how to do this, or has the inclination though.
  • by linefeed0 ( 550967 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @12:46AM (#5116832)
    Clear Channel is called Cheap Channel [cheapchannelradio.com] for a reason -- they like to cut costs everywhere. No live DJ's at many times, supposedly "local" information piped in as sound bites from out of town -- not to mention that artists need lots of payola [salon.com] to get their stuff on the air. Oh, lots of ads, too, just to make sure there's lots of money coming in to balance out the trickle going out. Great way for a company to make big profits; not a great way to have good radio.

    Why? In one word: monopoly. Not that they control everything, just enough to reduce the competition that federal laws about airwave allocation were supposed to provide. Their competitors are now desperate, not inventive. Used to be, not only could you not own 8 radio stations in a city, or 1000 across the country, you couldn't own any if the FCC determined your station was not fulfilling its public service obligation. You actually had to get your license renewed.

    Now Clear Channel themselves have claimed that owning more radio stations can allow them to diversify the genres more -- but this hasn't produced any interesting results in FM radio. In fact, almost everyone agrees FM radio has gotten worse over the last 5 years or so. So how is XM going to help things? It's great as another option, for those times there isn't anything good on FM. But forgive me if I don't see this duopoly being so hugely advantageous over a monopoly. They'll give you the music you "want" -- and not a note more. A triumph of marketing, a long-term serious loss for the listener.

    XM will never be able to make up for another potential casualty of Clear Channel (and fundi religious broadcasters, who are eligible for bottom-of-the-band licenses and silently eat away at the reception of struggling college stations) - regionalism in radio is good. Part of why travelling is fun in this country is local culture, even in this age of mcdonald's everywhere. XM can't give me the beach-blues station I heard in coastal South Carolina, the bluegrass segment on a (commercial!) country station in rural Virginia, or the variety of ethnic folk music and avant-garde rock on hundreds of college stations across the country. It's worth noting that of XM's 100 channels, the Post writer picked one with good, but very familiar music -- and that may be what XM is good for. The beauty of independent, college, and regional radio is discovery of new music. Not that this means XM is bad -- just that it won't save us from Clear Channel.

  • by ljfrench ( 110495 ) <ljfrench&torrentdefense,com> on Monday January 20, 2003 @12:50AM (#5116839) Homepage
    I don't want to sound all 'against the flow' here, but I've been turning to public radio more and more to get away from the constant commercial bombardment of ClearChannel.

    I actually became a member of my local public radio station, which plays music by independent and classical artists most of the time, and in the morning and evening rush hours, plays news content from the local area as well as great Nation Public Radio (NPR) broadcasts.

    All of us here on Slashdot say we want to get rid of the RIAA's stranglehold on music. Here's one way to help!

    Check out http://www.npr.org [npr.org]! ljfrench

  • by Moofie ( 22272 ) <lee@ringofsat u r n.com> on Monday January 20, 2003 @12:50AM (#5116840) Homepage
    The article derided early FM early adopters as "stoners and hippies". What happens when XM early adopters get the same treatment?

    More to the point, why should I give him the chance to charge me lots of money for the privilege?

    Sure, maybe XM will enable people to be broken up into smaller niches. Maybe it'll even have broader playlists. Maybe I can get through 24 hours without hearing the same song twice.

    But I, for one, am not going to be paying anybody to find out.

    One guy's opinion, that's all. Fortunately, my opinion about how radio should be is going to be far less damaging than this Abrams guy's is.
  • by NeMon'ess ( 160583 ) <flinxmid&yahoo,com> on Monday January 20, 2003 @12:55AM (#5116869) Homepage Journal
    Radio has never done a thing for me, XM is gonna flop.

    Aren't you insightful? The world must revolve around you because you think it does. Please, you don't like XM because you don't pay attention to what you're hearing, well plenty of other people do. I listen to what I like on the radio and turn it off when there's nothing I want to hear.
  • Re:It's too late.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by RailGunner ( 554645 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @01:08AM (#5116919) Journal
    92.5 KZPS is a ClearChannel station as well. So is Mix 102.9, and 102.1 The Edge.

    Fortunately, the one *good* station isn't - 93.3 The Bone.

  • by Wyatt Earp ( 1029 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @01:11AM (#5116935)
    You get out in Idaho on Highway 12 between Walla Walla and Missoula, and theres NOTHING day or night on FM/AM for 95% of the 200 mile trip.

    I suppose if you went crazy with whips on the truck/car you could pull something down, but most mortals will hear nothing.

    You get out in in Crow/Cheynne country between Hardin MT and Belle Fourche SD and you'll hear nothing on FM, and might if the atmo is right pick up KSL on AM an hour after dark, and might catch a skip from Oklahoma or Mexico for a few miles.

    North out of Pierre on Highway 63 in SD and you might get lucky and hear some skips from Dallas or SLC.

    Get out in Montana/Wyoming, eastern Oregon, south Utah, north Nevada and you'll be out of luck for much of anything.

    One time I was driving I-90 from South Dakota west and in Montana I set the radio on AM to seek. It went for 2 hours without finding a signal to lock on.
  • by Caraig ( 186934 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @01:13AM (#5116944)
    It relays a few ClearChannel networks, but not too many (in the neighborhood of 3-5). In addition, CC doesnt own enough stock in XMSR to affect any major business decisions.

    For now, at least. If it's one thing we've been forced to learn, time and time again, is that the media conglomerates will never leave any stone unturned in trying to get a line into the consumer's head. They will subvert, suborn, and steal any medium that they need to in order to ram through their popularized tripe that is a type of media DNSO, carrying with it advertising designed to make us feel utterly empty and not-whole without their products.

    ClearChannel is only one of the investors in XM. There are others, including some of the biggest names in the media industry. There may be niche channels, but make no mistake: every last channel will be used for one purpose in the conglomerates' eyes: to sell you onto products that you don't really need. That is the ONLY service these companies provide.

    Maybe I'm a bit cynical about it, but when you get right down to it, these are corporations whose goals are to make money for their stockholders, and nothing else. Mind you, this is neither a particularly dubious nor especially 'evil' goal, it's just what corporations DO. Just don't let anyone tell you that a corporation is trying to do an altruistic service.

  • by Nemus ( 639101 ) <astarchman@hotmail.com> on Monday January 20, 2003 @02:07AM (#5117136) Journal
    I live in the Nashville, TN area. For those of you who don't know what that means, let me explain:

    countrycountrycountrycountry-pop/country-countryco untrycountrycountrycountrycountry-pop/countrycount rycountrycountrycountrycountrycountry-pop/country- countrycountry

    We have three stations that play a different style of music:

    102.9 the Buzz-Basically, pop-rock, emo, and eminem; like the article says, what all the teeny-boppers are listening to

    105.9 the Rock: A pretty cool station. They play classic rock, and by that I mean ACDC, Guns n Roses, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, that kinda stuff. The kinda stuff that you and your parents can listen to together without embarrassment.

    101.1 the Beat: They say they're a rap station, but mostly R & B or piss poor Djs trying to spin R & B.

    All three of these are owned by ClearChannel btw

    All in all, not a lot of selection. So most of my time is spent on webradio, like digitally imported, or the local Vandy station, which occasionally plays electronica. I play CDs in the car, but sometimes you really do wanna be surprised by whats played, so I like radio, but, sadly, there is no such thing a electronica radio.

    Thats why the first thing I'm doing when I get a new job is getting an XM receiver. I wanna be doing 100 Mph down the interstate and hear techno I've never heard before. I wanna hear ICP and other psychopathic records artists, and I wanna hear badass, shoot ya just to watch you die old country and classic rock. Hell yeah people will pay. I will.

  • by stinky wizzleteats ( 552063 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @02:09AM (#5117141) Homepage Journal

    I'm guessing that satellite radio receivers would be a big hit in Ryder/UHaul trucks.

    Professional truckers are talking about it, and I have seen receivers for sale in truck stops. There's a little technophobia related to the technology, but the price doesn't really seem to be a problem for them. I guess anything beats hearing "$10 trip to Mexico" spam on channel 19 broadcasted via 10 gillion watt CB transmitters just on the other side of the border.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 20, 2003 @02:13AM (#5117150)
    i am a student dj at the university of michigan - ann arbor's radio station, WCBN [wcbn.org]. we are one of the few freeform stations left in the country, and i would like to think that we are an important part of radio. we play music of all styles, genres, and themes - at any time, any dj can play anything s/he wants (as long as it doesn't swear during the daytime). we strive to expose our audience to new music. i am also one of the music directors of our station, and i make our playlists to report to cmj. but they are playlists in a loose sense - no one is required to play anything on our list.

    more importantly, we provide locally produced news, public affairs, and sports programming, something that is completely lost with XM radio and national/worldwide broadcasts. i think XM is almost as bad as starbucks - it could show up everywhere, putting the few good stations left (WFMU in new york/jersey, for example) in a tight spot.

    on the bright side, if XM is "the wave of the future," perhaps more schools and local organizations can take over the FM airwaves and return them to the people.
  • Re:Payola (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Stitchley ( 57917 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @02:22AM (#5117169)
    If payola was a crime, then Dick Clark would have gotten arrested long ago.
    The crime was not sucking up properly. Maybe that's not what's on the books, but that's the way it is. That's why Dick Clark is the legend he is today, and why Alan Freed got blacklisted. they did the same damn thing, but Clark turned in Freed, to rid himself of some pesky competition. He's like the Pat Boone of programming. You wanna read about the death of Rock 'n Roll radio? Look up Alan Freed.
  • by saihung ( 19097 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @02:26AM (#5117181)
    Interesting post, and I agree with almost all of it, but just one point: if you think that NPR is "extreme liberal", then you haven't been paying very close attention.

    This is a big, big world with a huge spectrum of political thought, but it doesn't take much effort to be "left" of whatever the most popular view in the US is. Americans talked about how "liberal" Al Gore was, while the rest of the world shook their heads in disbelief. Heads up people: there are no nationally known politicians in the US who are on the "extreme left".

    If you think NPR is "extreme left" then I advise that you never leave your home state or visit your local communist bookstore because, honestly, NPR ain't shit.
  • I'd consider it (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 20, 2003 @02:31AM (#5117203)
    If they had decent recievers. But as far as I can tell, 98% of them are for cars. I would want:

    a) A PCI digital radio tuner card

    or

    b) A nice set-top receiver, ideally with a cheap
    USB or serial interface for computer control,
    and SPDIF to go to the rest of my high-fi setup.

    I realize (a) might not be worth the cost of design, but (b) certainly is. My dad gets satellite TV mostly for the music stations. I'd get satellite radio myself, if I could listen to it painlessly out of the comfort of my home, and if I didn't have to shell out $250 for a piece of hardware that my last 1 year until the company goes out of business.
  • by bigberk ( 547360 ) <bigberk@users.pc9.org> on Monday January 20, 2003 @02:45AM (#5117247)
    I'm usually quite rude to telemarketers, but this time I thought I'd grab my opportunity to skew the "scientific survey" results.

    This lady phoning from Texas or something was really interested in my radio listening habits. She kept asking me about these annoying, obnoxious stations (the ones with the r&b music the 16 year old girls seem to love so much).

    I kept talking about stations that weren't one of her options on her on-screen list and I think she was getting irritated. But the whole experience made me realize how shitty commercial FM radio is, and how grateful I am for Campus radio stations, Volunteer and Community run stations and especially for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

    All of which, luckily, I have access to here.
  • by Sleeper ( 7713 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @02:58AM (#5117295)
    Ok, may be their DJ's are not professionals. But they have huge variety of music. Which lets you broaden your horizons so to speak. You can have jam rock followed by rap followed by dance followed by punk etc.

    I used to listen commercial radio but I really got sick of it. And I love radio per se. I own couple of scanners couple of shortwave receivers plus the usual FM enabled appliances.

    The nice thing about college station that people that play music for you are as excited about it as you are. You might hate their guts sometimes for badmouthing the band you like but that's OK.

    Here in Bay Area we are fortunate. There are at least three college stations FM 90.1, 90.5, 103.3 plus some highschool station playing the Big Band stuff. Plus two or three community supported stations. This is what I listen now this and NPR (news).

    In one year I discovered more new music I like then in 7 years living in LA and listenning commercial stations.

    It all comes down to this. Commercial stations should have money (or they'll stop to exist) be it FM or XM or whatever. That is why they will always stay middle of the road (in any music style you choose). And they will probably make some money and may be XM will be successfull And that is why they are not going to get my money.

    Personally I despise people that treat me as "consumer". That is they are going to try to fit me in some kind "dumbass" models based on my race age etc. And I don't want this. I want to deal with people who help me to discover new things.

    On the contrary in case of college stations and community supported stations "it's all about sharing" new information new music forgotten old music (but still good). That is why I support them when they have regular fund raising drives.
  • Yes (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @03:22AM (#5117361)
    I drive around with the radio off a lot of the time for just this reason... or I start playing a CD when the ads come on and forget to turn it off for a day or two. Somehow even a single looping CD offers more variety than most local radio stations...

    That said, there actually is a very good local public station in Denver (KUVO) that has all kinds of good jazz. I listen to them pretty often (though I am not always in the mood for what they are playing) and try to support them with a donation every year, so at least there is an island of eclectic music in the sea of drek that is FM.
  • by phoenix123 ( 547397 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @07:41AM (#5117872) Journal
    The incredibly sophisticated mp3-technology fits 15h of music onto a single cd-r. Pretty neat, isn't it? :) - And these players are truly affordable right now (at least here in Europe) and still going down in price, I cannot imagine why anyone with a pc/mac at home would want anything else to have in his car. Sound quality is not an issue here, since a) the car engine is way too loud for real hi-fi sound or b) you could pump up the bitrate if you got an hybrid/electro car :)

    15h of music with album or disc-wide random play and instant song change. Any old 6 or 10 cd disc changer looks medieval compared to this. Heck, and they even got new MP3-CD Changers!, so you can have 10x 15h of music. On CD-RW if you like, so crappy always-skip songs can be replaced by something better.

    I'm aware of the possibility to build tiny notebook HDs into car stereos. But I strongly dislike the notion of having an oh so delicate component in my car that is very sensible to sudden shocks, in fact instantly and totally ruined if something goes wrong - we got potholes the size of texas here on our streets in Germany and it's going worse every winter. Besides, they got a hefty price tag and I don't have any ideas about how to transfer x GB of mp3's to my car other than carrying home the whole unit and hook it on the network. So it has no acceptable price / damageability or usability-ratio (if my friends are driving with me and got their favorite cd, it couldn't be played) - so I recommend MP3-CD players. Ok, they are not quite techy, don't run on linux and don't (yet?) play .ogg-files. But they are certainly more sturdy than a brittle harddisk and with a price starting from as low as 110euros / ~110 usd at our favority discounter (no-name, but incl. id3-tag support, antiskip and "hibernate"-mode to start the exact second where you left) nothing can beat it as yet.

    Megalomaniac as I am, I can't wait to see MP3-DVD players emerging. They are already building car stereos with cd-rom components, hence the problem with some copy protection schemes with them, so a DVD-version could be feasible. ~50h of mp3-music on one disc, not even counting the possible savings thanks to more advanced audio codecs. Holy shit, just dare to think of 10x MP3-DVD changers... (again, mostly traditional technology put together with already available extras) - Ok, now you can go on complaining about crappy FM radio. With even my simple 15h 1-cd setup I got more variety than most of the "contemporary pop"-stations - with an 10x mp3-DVD-changer I'd beat any radio station variety anytime.
  • by NeuroManson ( 214835 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @08:03AM (#5117908) Homepage
    I remember watching as FM radio evolved over the last 25-30 years. When FM started out, nobody used it except for a few odd college stations or classical music stations. Most AM stations were mainstream in those days, and were reluctant to switch over, due to AM's wider broadcast area, and most stations already had the hardware, no need to upgrade in the eyes of the suits.

    Also, AM radios were considerably cheaper than an FM stereo Hi-Fi (not to mention there being no portable FM recievers that were truly compact until 1979-1980, when the first walkman came out).

    At around the same time, some NYC stations were managing to broadcast in stereo on the AM band, but by then it was too late, FM was starting to infiltrate the market. More stations began buying into FM broadcasting.

    The college stations, depending on the city, were often running the most original and unique music out there (such as WLIR in NY, running old school punk, synthesized and otherwise non mainstream music in a Debbie Gibson world- The only local station to play Dead Kennedys' "MTV Get Off The Air!"). In fact, between the times I listened to WLIR as a teenager, and "discovered" file sharing, over 10 years had passed where I had no idea what kind of new music was out there.

    The openness of FM radio has become a thing of the past, however, thanks to payola and media corporations. In fact, it's the only reason I hope XM satellite radio catches on, because once they take their focus off of FM, maybe more college/amateur/independant broadcasters will have a chance once again to bring in music that appeals to the rest of us.

    On a sidenote, however, another benefit to making music available that isn't on mainstream radio, is that punk and alternative music of the 80s made people THINK. Has anyone noticed that as more FM stations hav gotten to the point they are at today, that the public is more apathetic and uninspired? Look at previous peace rallies, and you'll note that it's been dwindling down considerably, starting 1988 and reaching an all time low of approximately a million total attending today.

    Music used to be one of the great motivators of activism, so what happens when the corporations control your motivation?
  • Re:XM Sux, Siriusly (Score:2, Interesting)

    by olddoc ( 152678 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @08:36AM (#5117975)
    For an extra $1 a month the choice is clear: Sirius and NO commercials.
    With satelite radio there are 4 killer apps:
    1- Display of artist and title
    2- Variety and availability of niche channels
    3- You can listen to your favorite station in Montana
    4- No commercials!

    I love my Sirius radio. I learn a lot from the display and I never have to hear a commercial during my commute.
  • KEXP SEATTLE! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by shiftoner ( 158775 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @09:09AM (#5118074)
    www.kexp.org

    publicly funded radio playing underground and loval music for over 20 years. I have been listening every morning for a while now. Nothing else on earth comes even close. This is the last radio station worth listening to anywhere. Check it out and if you like it, support it. It is our only hope!!
  • I travel a lot... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wowbagger ( 69688 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @09:16AM (#5118095) Homepage Journal
    I travel a lot - my preferred mode of vacationing is to drive somewhere - usually about 2Kmiles/trip.

    As a result, I keep my car in top trip-ready shape at all times - tire tread a bit thin? Replace it. Keep the glass clean, keep the cooler chest ready, have a set of toothbrush/hair brush/deodorant/etc. ready to save on packing. Have trips planned out so that if an opportunity presents, I roll.

    One of the TOP items on my list is maintaining my car's MP3 player - 30G of (legally owned and ripped from my own CD's/tapes) music, books on tape, stories, comedy routines, etc. There have been times when it's been down, and I've had to travel, or when I've had to travel without it (by train, plane, or rental truck).

    I forget just how bad broadcast radio is until I have to travel without my music. Then I am shocked back into reality.

    It's not just the fact that the DJ's seem to think the reason we listen to the radio is to hear them - if I wanted to hear self-important idiots blather, I'd listen to children's band (chicken band, or CB). If I wanted to hear a station claim "... KRAP, bringing you another 90% music hour...." (which they do by overlaping the songs enough to have 54 minutes of songs played in 30 minutes of wall-clock time), or if I wanted to hear commercials... well, a 9mm Hydroshock to the roof of the mouth would be a preferable "cure" to that brand of insanity.

    I have a saying - "Anytime the consumer and the customer are not one and the same, you are going to get crappy quality." Dogs don't buy dog food, so the actual flavor does not matter - can you convice the owner to buy the food? The consumer of broadcast radio is the listener, but the customer is the advertiser. Advertisers don't care about the quality of the music, only that the station in question has a listenership, which you can get by being a monopoly as readily as by being a quality station.

    My advice to anyone is:

    1) Get some form of portable, hard drive based MP3 player - a Neo, an iPod, roll-your-own, whatever.
    2) Load it up with your music, but even more importantly, with non-music stuff - buy the HHGTH series on CD, and rip that. Get your old Bill Cosby/George Carlin/* albums, and rip them (and for voice comedy, you can rip to a pretty low bitrate). Get books on tape/disk, and put them on. Hell, record the audio off old Star Trek (TOS, not TNG/DS9/Crapager) - ST-TOS was more like a radio show with pictures than TV.
    3) Get a weather band receiver for weather reports, a chicken band or amateur receiver for road conditions (for the latter, be licensed if you are planning on transmitting).
    4) Mentally present the "digitus impudus" to the radio stations you see advertised along the side of the road.
  • Re:It's too late.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SubtleNuance ( 184325 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @10:25AM (#5118346) Journal
    See this excellent article [salon.com] at Salon.com [htttp]

    the article is wrong when it says "tyranny of mass market research" caused radio to suck; two things happened A) as always, the soul has been sucked out of a vibrant social institute (Radio) by Profit-Motivated-Corporations. B) Payola facilitated this soul-sucking.

  • Why I won't pay (Score:2, Interesting)

    by t'mbert ( 301531 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @11:32AM (#5118636)
    I won't pay for XM radio. As soon as a critical mass of people move to XM, the FM/AM stations will go out of business, due to lack of revenue from commercials. As XM grows, Wall Street will continue to push it to make more and more profit, which will push XM to either raise rates, or air more commercials. As that happens, some of us will want to move back to free radio, but there will be no free radio to move back to.

    In the end, we'll lose our choices!

    Think cable all over again. Today we pay for our shows by watching commercials, like we did on free TV, AND we pay the cable company about $40 a month as well!

    Don't do it, don't buy XM! It's a waste of money and in the end, free radio will go the way of free TV.
  • by chorner ( 57886 ) <etchorner AT yahoo DOT com> on Monday January 20, 2003 @12:03PM (#5118803) Homepage
    I would agree that some NPR stations have a (slight, IMO) liberal bias, but they bring something to the table that no one else on the radio dial has: Long form journalism. In the day of 3-5 second sound bite journalism, Headline News Network, and news tickers on the bottom of everyone's screen, I'm thankful for a source of news that doesn't stop with the headline. Anecdotally, I would say their average piece is about 20 seconds long, with their reporting pieces seem to be several minutes long. BTW, not all NPR stations are government funded. KCLU here in Ventura County, CA, receives $0 from the government. I'm sure that they are not the only ones, but right now, I don't have any solid facts or links for you. Someone please explain to me how a (overwhelmingly republican) government funded radio station would have a liberal bias? It seems to me that a propaganda organ of the state, as cheezedawg seems to think of NPR, would reflect the views of the current administration. Personnally, I think that NPR news has significantly less bias than other radio and TV stations I've listened to, or watched. Regardeless of type or quantity of bias, one can engage their brain and filter out propaganda and FUD from any source. Don't worry about liberal (or conservative) bias in media. Having a bias in media benefits us all, by presenting differing viewpoints on subjects. This allows us to make our own decisions on these subjects. If one doesn't want any other view point than that which is "correct" for them , I pity them for their close-mindedness. None of us deserves to be spoon fed! Some other advantages I've found: 1. Smaller more responsive radio stations - They are not hampered by programming director puppets from big media companies. If you don't like the programming (or alleged bias) call them! 2. Better music - If you like jazz or classical, that is. Does anyone know if any NPR stations play other than jazz or classical? 3. Better locality - The NPR stations I listen to have a great concept of how to serve the local community. 4. Good staff - When I call to report a traffic accident, or call to complain/compliment about something, I get to talk to people other than a front office staff. I've spoken directly with the anchors and reporters at KCLU [kclu.org] when I've called in the past. Bottom line is that NPR stations have an important niche to fill, and they seem to be the last holdouts in the rolling tidal wave that is giant media companies. Treasure them, and if you don't like them, either change the channel, or work to change the station. -Chris Horner
  • KBOO (Score:2, Interesting)

    by song-of-the-pogo ( 631676 ) on Monday January 20, 2003 @07:53PM (#5122460) Homepage
    just in case no one's mentioned it yet, here's a station that doesn't suck ...

    KBOO [www.kboo.fm]

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