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Recording Industry Extinction Predicted RSN 493

nautical9 writes "There's an interesting commentary from Wired's Charles Mann, speaking of the imminent death of the recording industry as we know it. Nothing really ground-breaking here, but it is a good summary and somewhat fair treatment of the RIAA's current state-of-affairs, and offers a little insight into what the world of music may be like without them (hint: perhaps better off)."
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  • by abcxyz ( 142455 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @01:09PM (#5143915) Homepage
    Hillary Rosen announced her resignation from the group today to spend more time with her family.

    Washington Post Story [washingtonpost.com]
  • An Economic Analysis (Score:3, Informative)

    by swm ( 171547 ) <swmcd@world.std.com> on Thursday January 23, 2003 @01:18PM (#5143976) Homepage
  • by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @01:22PM (#5144003) Homepage

    Interesting idea. How about a DVD and a (Red Book) CD sold together? The DVD has all the audio tracks, plus the bouncing titties videos, plus the "making of" the bouncing titties videos. The CD just has the music so that you can play it in your car, or if (gasp) you haven't got a DVD player (yet).

    Seems to me that you've got a good point there. Much of the cost of selling an audio CD is in making the singles videos to promote it. It's strange that the music business hasn't thought about trying to sell them as content.

  • by rot26 ( 240034 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @01:30PM (#5144066) Homepage Journal
    It's eerie how spot on that article is. I mean, when I was growing up, I would buy a copy of every single album I could find of certain artists, like ZZ Top or Queen. But nowadays, there just aren't any artists who can seem to pull that kind of longevity off, because the labels don't seem to be inclined to let them.

    First-record deals are notoriously BAD for the artist. If the first turns out to be successful, they then try to renegotiate the contract for more money. The record companies are neatly sidestepping this process by simply abandoning the band after one (or maybe two) successes and finding a soundalike clone and publishing THEIR music under another bad-first-record deal.
  • by autopr0n ( 534291 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @01:57PM (#5144290) Homepage Journal
    What they plan to do is, flood Kazaa with tons of bogus files and data and try to make it worthless, then people will have to use their pay services if they want music. Lots of people pirate music, but even more people are willing to pay for music.

    I actually got a CD this summer when I couldn't find it on the depleted campus LAN.
  • Re:Quote... (Score:5, Informative)

    by autopr0n ( 534291 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @02:02PM (#5144340) Homepage Journal
    I don't see what's wrong with Rip/Mix/Burn. The record companies have weasled the gubmint into levies on CDR/DVD-R media, MP3 Players etc.; so I pay for the right to R/M/B even if I don't often excursive that right.

    Do you live in Canada? If you are in the united states, only "Music" CD-Rs are taxed. "Data" CD-Rs are not, even though you can record music to a data CD-R and play it back on anything. The only difference between the two is that the Music CD-R costs more and it can be burned by special, expensive stereo components, which in turn cost more then whole computers with burners.

    In other words, for all practical purposes there are not levies on data storage systems in the US (CDs, memory sticks, DVDs, etc) only on audio systems (audio tape, DAT, crippled CDs for component recording).
  • Re:Paying customers? (Score:2, Informative)

    by kenl999 ( 166189 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @02:13PM (#5144459)
    You mean like this [musiccdsettlement.com]?

    Granted, it wasn't the cartel-busting move that many hoped for, and indeed the actual $ amount is trivial, but still it's nice to see them lose.
  • Re: Quote... (Score:3, Informative)

    by pjrc ( 134994 ) <paul@pjrc.com> on Thursday January 23, 2003 @02:13PM (#5144463) Homepage Journal
    At least in the US, you have that right to rip/mix/burn as long as you paid for the CDs legitimately. It's called "fair use". No additional levy on blank media or recording devices is necessary to obtain the "fair use" right to rip/mix/burn.
  • Re:What do they do? (Score:2, Informative)

    by MamasGun ( 602953 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @02:26PM (#5144573) Journal
    Let's see:

    24-track digital multi-track recorder($3,500) ; 40-channel mixer/sound board($6,000) ; studio musicians ($???/hour) ; booth construction (ca. $10,000) ; sundries such as cables, media, beer, etc. ($1,000)

    Ok, here's a solution to that which lists for less than $2K and which Sam Ash is selling for less than $1K [samash.com].

    This is just to record. Now each artist has to remaster their own music (a very technically difficult job for which people study years).

    The same device I linked to will create a legal Red Book Audio master you can take to a pressing plant to get pressed CDs made for it.

    Then they have to shop around for a place to stamp CDs for them.

    I'm in Los Angeles, this is child's play [rainborecords.com]. This is only one example of places which will produce industry-quality CDs for $1,100 per thousand, with quantity discounts and repeat order discounts likely. And these places will do business with you over the Internet even if you live in West Bumblefsck, RFD.

    They ask for CMYK artwork already transferred to film masters. This means finding some guy with Photoshop and a Service Bureau. Again, child's play in LA and most big cities.

    All you add is talent...something which is not trivial, true, but if you have it, you have it.

    The fact is that artists as renowned as Prince have been able to make far more money selling their music online than they have working on the Record Industry Plantation. The Do It Yourself spirit is alive and well, you just have to dig [kxlu.com] a little [kexp.org].

    You don't have to be Kreskin to predict that the Music Industry's dying. It's not a bad thing, though. I look forward to dancing on its grave.

  • by da_Den_man ( 466270 ) <dcruise@nosPam.hotcoffee.org> on Thursday January 23, 2003 @03:12PM (#5144957) Homepage
    "The Greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing mankind that he did not exist"

    or that he had died

    Pure & simple...the lion goes too quietly and too soon. They will be back with their lawsuits and their outdated methods. Only this time they will have the Industry behind them with machines built encoded with DRM tech. Inherent to the machine at the lowest levels, there will be no way to run your own system without authorization from all of the MFR's and in turn the RIAA, MPAA, and the KMAAYLC (Kiss my ass association you lousy consumer!).

    Time to pick up a guitar and make my own...
  • Re:Hmm... (Score:3, Informative)

    by budgenator ( 254554 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @03:31PM (#5145115) Journal
    Would they still make music, just getting money off of concerts and stuff?

    I don't think that most bands realy make money from sales anyways, the lables make sure that overhead expenses eat up most of the profits. What we hear now is the stuff that's almost guarenteed to be popular or the cookie-cutter crap that we hear. I heard about a band that sold a quarter of a million albums and ended up oweing the record company $28,000.00 in promotional expenses.
  • emusic not mentioned (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23, 2003 @03:45PM (#5145189)
    I hope the music future looks like

    www.emusic.com

    For a reasonable monthly fee, you can download all the mp3s you want.

    No weird player required, no limited plays, just mp3s.

    The catalogue is surprisingly good.

    It's a shame this service is almost never mentioned in any articles on file sharing.

    I subscribe to them for the tunes, and also to sooth my guilty conscience.

    Although I'm an anonymous coward, I don't work for them. Honest!
  • Re:Why is this news (Score:2, Informative)

    by jcast ( 461910 ) <.jonathanccast. .at. .fastmail.fm.> on Thursday January 23, 2003 @04:01PM (#5145293) Journal
    It's news because the American market isn't free, so inefficient industries usually just get laws shoring them up, rather than going out of buisiness.
  • giving RIAA the bird (Score:3, Informative)

    by commodoresloat ( 172735 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @05:35PM (#5146206)
    You know what? If Rip/Mix/Burn is the equivalent of "Fuck you, record companies," then I'm all for it. A couple weeks ago I sat in front of my computer with the lead singer of Dandy Warhols, whom I had just met. I didn't know much about their music, but he wanted me to hear their popular song. So we went to his band's website. Then we went to the record company's website. Then we went to mp3.com. Then we tried altavista's mp3 search. Finally we found a crappy copy on gnutella but only got 3/4 of the song. If RIAA had its way we wouldn't have even found that. Now, this is a band with a hit song and a major label contract. Their stuff is played on KROQ and MTV (at no cost to listeners, I might add). There seems to be something supremely ironic - and patently absurd - about the lead singer not even being able to download his own music to play for a friend. It was pretty clear that he didn't think that I was ripping him off, or that if it were easier to find his music on the web he would be less popular. It was also clear that as the artist he had little control over (and perhaps little interest in controlling) the way his music is distributed.

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