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Superbowl XXXVII 927

So, if you're a good, patriotic American, you're certainly watching the Superbowl right about now. The dot-com ads should be pretty much absent this year, but perhaps there will be something more interesting than ads for recycled movies. Maybe even the game will be worth watching. :) Update: 01/27 17:02 GMT by T : Chardish writes "If you didn't catch the trailer for The Matrix: Reloaded on the Superbowl last night, it's now available for download."
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Superbowl XXXVII

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  • by aerojad ( 594561 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:03PM (#5164153) Homepage Journal
    ...since when does watching the Super Bowl count as a patriotic activity? I thought it was just a game, a football game. I didn't hear Bush tell me to watch the game, I didn't see the U.N. pass a resolution, and I didn't hear an "Axis of Evil" tag attached to it.

    Tone down the crazyness, things that have been a part of American culture do not necessarily mean they are thru-and-thru patriotic.

    ...just a game, folks.
  • by Faust7 ( 314817 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:05PM (#5164168) Homepage
    But what in the world is this doing on Slashdot? This is "News for Nerds," folks. I see more than enough Super Bowl coverage on CNN, MSNBC, and all the other commercial news sites.
  • by horse ( 70241 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:07PM (#5164174)
    Commercials featuring scantily-clad women and lots of violence. That's America...

    Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and TV
    And you think you're so clever and classless and free
    But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
    - John Lennon
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:11PM (#5164203)
    Another Superbowl... great. Has anybody else heard that more American women are beaten by their husbands and boyfriends on Superbowl Sunday than any other day of the year?

    Just think. The NFL's refusal to switch to a series format for the final like the NHL, NBA and MLB leads to domestic abuse. I wonder if the NFL's commissioner's wife was smacked around today...
  • It's very simple! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by vlad_petric ( 94134 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:22PM (#5164276) Homepage
    By watching superbowl you automatically get tons of commercials down your throat, thus contributing to the well-being of the economy.

    If you don't believe me, check how much 10 seconds of superbowl publicity cost.

  • by dpt ( 165990 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:27PM (#5164308) Journal
    Remember when this was "news for nerds, stuff that matters"? When we had an interesting and even compelling mix of science and technology news that we might not see elsewhere?

    Recently we've had "SOHO", "Crop circles", and now this. All "posted by Michael", BTW. What next? "What happened on the last episode of 'Friends'"? "Crossing over, with Michael"? "Psychic hotlines - how they've helped me"? "Methods for selecting lottery numbers"? "Best use for that old washing machine in the back yard and the car up on blocks"? "Naming my 6th child - Lerleen, Billy-bob, Sue-anne or Scout"?

    Anyway, it's lucky Michael told me about the Superbowl, I might not have heard about it otherwise. Sigh.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:28PM (#5164314)
    Who the hell said it's Un-American not to watch the superbowl? Does the poster have something against America, the superbowl (or football in general) or both? This should never have been accedpted as a post!
  • Re:Thank God... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Hairy Dude ( 561867 ) <pytr_behri@@@hotmail...com> on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:37PM (#5164365)
    You could say pretty much the same thing about the FA Cup Final. Fortunately it's broadcast on BBC1 so there are no ads, and the actual game is uninterrupted (except by half-time which is about 30 mins).

    Anyway, nobody's forcing you to watch it all. Just work out when it starts and do something else the rest of the time.

    BTW, Eric Idle is on Channel Five's coverage for some reason.

  • by Yorrike ( 322502 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:40PM (#5164379) Journal
    Speak for yourself. There's nothing better than sitting down with a few of your mates for the day, parking a large supply of beer next to you and watching a good international Cricket match.

    And the Formula 1! Man, talk about technology. It's a geek's dream sport. Fast cars, cutting edge technology, stuff blowing up now and then, things being measured in thousandths of a second.

    Not all geeks hate sport. Not all countires have the same jock/geek class seperation at school that US movie makers love screaming and dancing about, either.

  • A True American (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26, 2003 @08:58PM (#5164462)
    A True American would either be reading, constructing something useful, or enlightening others some way. Instead of sitting in front of the propaganda tube, do something constructive. I mean if we are actually getting jollies from commercials something has to be wrong with the state of the Joe 6 pack society. I mean have some psychedelics, and create, rather than absorb. The world would be better off.
  • by dollargonzo ( 519030 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @09:04PM (#5164483) Homepage
    ...and in ever other country, playing the nation's sports IS patriotic, and stands to uphold the nation's solidarity. only in america have sports become 100% about money and 0% about the country. country stop wars when their football team reaches round of 8, they make national holidays out of the finals, etc. america, however, has devolved into consumerist bullshit, where the polititians are aiming to be SO patriotic there is no room for patriotism among its citizens.

  • by Atzanteol ( 99067 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @09:05PM (#5164491) Homepage
    and now i've been turned into a troll...
    Yes, you have. Because you, and thousands of other whiney slashdot posters, can't take anything with a grain of salt. The Superbowl is a big American event. Watch it or don't. Either way, deal with it. I don't think Michael was really implying that you are Un-American for not watching.
    I happen to like (American)football. I'm not a jock per se, but I do play sports.

    Christ, can we get a clue in here?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26, 2003 @09:15PM (#5164532)
    Link. [topcities.com]

    You really don't get it do you? You, by invoking a defense of the term "patriotic", and then saying

    I didn't hear Bush tell me to watch the game, I didn't see the U.N. pass a resolution, and I didn't hear an "Axis of Evil" tag attached to it.

    imply you believe that if Bush told you the superbowl were patriotic you'd agree. What about Bush's dictum would make it patriotic? Can't you, as a free thinking individual, determine what's patriotic yourself? Is it possible that Bush could do something that's un-patriotic or are presidents the ultimate arbiter of patriotism?

    Patriotic things are "feeling, expressing, or inspired by love for one's country. A patriot would, as Bush -swore- to do when inaugurated:

    "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    Bush, however he has been spending his time on his -perceived- number one duty "to protect the homeland from the enemy." link [felsef.org]

    In doing his "duty" he and his legislature have assaulted the Constitution more savagely than at any time since the great depression.

    Don't try to defend patriotism and pimp the current president's policies, true patriots won't be fooled.

  • by rjamestaylor ( 117847 ) <rjamestaylor@gmail.com> on Sunday January 26, 2003 @09:28PM (#5164591) Journal
    The fact that it's posted on /. during the Super Bowl AND that it has posts is PROOF that this IS NEWS for Nerds. Think of it as a polite gesture to keep the director of marketing at bay tomorrow when you, otherwise, would have said, "Super Bowl? Was that this weekend?" They're just looking out for us, man.
  • Yeah I'm sure... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TobyWong ( 168498 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @09:31PM (#5164603)
    God forbid someone like football AND computers. Oh wait, I use linux therefore I must comply to all of the geek stereotypes. I guess I had better apologize for showering, knowing how to dress myself, not giggling like a retard if a female looks in my direction, and not eating a constant stream of pizza and doritos.

    Geeks like to think they are so open minded and forward thinking. The reality is you will be hard pressed to find a more closed-minded group of people if you tried.
  • by simetra ( 155655 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @09:39PM (#5164634) Homepage Journal
    Anyone else get that impression?

    I only watched the half-time stuff, then turned back to Fear Factor.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 26, 2003 @09:42PM (#5164646)
    Don't you know this yet? It's the obligatory "we're going to ignore sports" or "anti-sports" talk that occurs from time to time on /. Basically, badmouthing of an event simply because it's popular, the vocal party is not interested or doesn't see it's value, or it isn't geekish (enough).

    They chalk up "deep coding" as an attributal and worthwhile skill to earn a living, but feel it is okay to demean an event displaying fellas that are athletic instead. Meanwhile, there are more geeks and thinkers being employed by the NFL and related activities than athletes.

    It reminds me much of the attitude when I was in college. Graduated with honors in the College and concentration, yet folks in my dorm considered me a "jock" because I was on the swim team. Some people just need something to heckle because they feel left out. The editors feel they have an upper hand on this forum, which they certainly and deservingly do, but it's the same adolescent psychology as when the bullied becoming the bully. Meanwhile, they have no problem using this as an opportunity to post 2 stories on the same event which, heavily implied, they look down on.

    Note when the same tactics are done to the Linux or nerd community in general, they cry about how they've been screwed and how the little guy is getting stepped on.

    Don't like the Super Bowl? DON'T WATCH IT. Want to watch the ads but not the game? You're a piss poor excuse of a geek if you haven't figure out to set up your PVR at this point and don't have a simple backup known as a VCR.

    (Funny, I recall /. thinking it was so cool how the Super Bowl ads from 2 years ago were .com related, and lamented the fact the dropoff last year of the sock puppet.)
  • by sielwolf ( 246764 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @09:53PM (#5164685) Homepage Journal
    The dumbification of /.

    Yeah... great... what are you, fourteen? What do you suggest? That we concoct some crazy scheme to get back at the principal and the jocks?

    I'm sorry but US football is a thrilling and complex game that is both viceral and intellectual.

    But instead you decided to relegate it to some stupid stereotype of Big Dumb Hicks. Grow up.
  • by claygate ( 531826 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @10:51PM (#5164867)
    As a huge fan of soccer, i can understand why the majority of americans don't grasp it as a spectacular sport. In 90 minutes it is possible to not have a team score a single point and still be one of the best games in history. If this is the case there are no clear winners and this is not acceptable in america. You must WIN and you must SCORE in america. It is reflected in society.

    This is why formula 1 is even less prominent in the US. When something as small as .009 put JP Montoya on pole once this season it isn't enough to discern a clear cut winner. When Schumacher won 11 of 17 races, and ferrari won 15 out of 17 it is seen as uncompetitive. There is so much going on behind the scenes and so many other battles then the one for the lead that it doesn't interest the US audience. In NASCAR or IRL you see 10 different leaders in one race and multiple passes. But this is through stiffling the abilityto one up competitors. Standard wings that allow cars to pass more easily and restricted power engines makes for closer, yet more predictable racing. Americans are raised with 100 topics aminute thrown pass their heads, they consume more than anyone else, and this is reflected in their choices later in life. Like someone said about watching 9 hours of football games and post/pre game shows or 9 hours of about LOTR. Football, F1, American Football, NASCAR et al cater to different audiences. Depends what your preference is.
  • by yomegaman ( 516565 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @10:54PM (#5164870)
    Yeah, those black athletes who grew up poor and busted their asses getting to the top of their profession should shut up and let the white billionaire team owners born with silver spoons in their mouths keep all of the ungodly cash raked in by pro sports. Is that what you're trying to say?
  • by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @11:41PM (#5165033) Homepage Journal
    Didn't you guys see the NFL ad informing its 'licensees' (viewers) that the Superbowl is licensed for their own private use, and any descriptions, analysis, excerpts, pictures, etc. are stictly prohibited?

    Seriously though, isn't there a law against providing inaccurate legal advice? I mean, they can't wish away Fair Use (in analog anyhow, but I digress) but they sure represent that it's illegal.
  • by Indy1 ( 99447 ) on Sunday January 26, 2003 @11:52PM (#5165082)
    forgive the gloating and the flaming here (Thank god its only karma)......but al davis and the raiders can bite my shiny metal ass. I am sick of the scum bag raider fans (i live in LA) and al davis's never ending lawsuits against the NFL. 48-21 just makes my day : )
  • War Sucks (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Skjellifetti ( 561341 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @12:21AM (#5165188) Journal
    I had the same feeling a few years earlier watching the Brits go after Argentina when the military junta took the Falklands. Seemed kinda like a harmless game of capture the flag. Gooooo UK!

    And then Argentina scored big against a British destroyer and people died who probably didn't need to, good cause or not.

    If you are that gung-ho about another Iraqi war, then get your ass down to a recruiting station right the fuck now. With 8 weeks Basic + 8 weeks 11B training you might just finish in time to see this war up close and personal.

    As for me, I've done time in Uncle Sam's Army. I've got friends in theater. Trust me, it ain't no national football game.
  • by Trolling4Dollars ( 627073 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @12:45AM (#5165268) Journal
    How does seeing a bunch of commercials help the economy? As it is, I ignore most commercials since they annoy the hell out of me. And... if someone has a commercial that REALLY annoys me, I will either forget what the commercial was for or will be likely to NOT buy their product or service. My wife is the same way. American economy be damned, I'm not just going to buy crap I don't need or want just to help the economy. What kind of retard would buy useless crap? The push to make you buy crap is tremendous and the super bowl just amplifies that. Sorry, but I think the best thing that most people could be doing for our country to be patriotic is protesting the war for oil. Maybe it will wake people up that they've been living in a fantasy with their eyes half closed.
  • by helix400 ( 558178 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @01:03AM (#5165341) Journal
    Bush focuses on blowing up a bunch of people he doesn't like.

    Ya, those Al-Qaeda members in Afghanistan didn't deserve it. Bush was just bullying them. Neither did the Taliban, Bush was just being too arrogant there.

    You'd think Bush would've learned by now...but nope. He wants to bomb an insane murderous dictator. The guy only tortures anyone he doesn't like, gasses his own people, and attacks neighboring countries the first chance he gets.

    What'll he do next? Go after North Korea's Kim Jong Il? I mean, what has that guy ever done? Starving to death millions of his people, and brutually torture, imprison, and execute hundreds of thousands more. [msnbc.com] How dare Bush call that guy "evil". It ruins dialouge between our nations.

    Its rantings like yours ruin integrity for any peace movements. Trying to paint Bush as a terrible person while completely ignoring these evil governments who torture and murder millions is simply ignorant and ridiculous.

  • Re:No. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @02:14AM (#5165660)
    "I do not need to fight nor to die to "do" what I believe in."

    Only because you live someplace where somebody did all the dirty work for you.

    Using the example of Iraq you brought up earlier, the mere act of pissing and moaning about the actions of the local government (which you seem fond of) would get you thrown into a special prison built just for people like you. They may eventually let you out if it becomes politically expedient, but not until after they've had a chance to use you to discover new and interesting ways of causing pain (a favorite hobby of Uday's, I hear).

    But, no, here you're perfectly allowed to wish death on people you don't even know while attempting to put on airs of intellectual superiority. You have the constitutionally gauranteed right to make a total fool of yourself.

    "Think about that one..."

    If you don't want to do anything at all, most communist regimes have ways of convincing you to put away your selfish attitudes and get to work on the collectivized farms. A worker's paradise has no room for non-workers.
  • Re:Matrix Trailer (Score:3, Insightful)

    by fenix down ( 206580 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @03:05AM (#5165776)
    I don't know what he meant, but it looks to me like they're doing stuff for the hell of it now, kinda like the prequels.

    The first movie had creative shots that looked cool, and they came up with a brilliant, cheap way to get them. Now they're doing fucked-up shit for the sole reason of making the effects so overblown and expensive that nobody can reproduce them. Crazy-flips with guns: good. Agent Smith buckling the front-end of a speeding car into the ground as if he weighed about 6 tons: bad. I liked the first movie because they kept the CGI unobtrusive. Now they've got Neo with this pole thing flipping around like a rubber doll tied to a power drill. I'm hoping that's just going to be an effect of the TV, or an unfinished shot they spit out for the ad, but I was hoping that with Spiderman too. (the rest was pretty good though, I'll admit, that and the flying thing were the only two that looked generated, and I don't know how you make flying look realistic anyway.)

    I'm getting pissed off about CGI these days. I watch Jurassic Park and the CG effects are better than Spiderman. They're better than SW2, they're better than the fucking Hulk by about a century. How the hell did they get dinosaurs to work fabulously, but Titanic can manage to make a frikkin' flat piece of metal look computerized for about 4 times the budget? I'm thinking that a lot of the stuff recently is just about trying to computer-generate people, and that I'm a lot less forgiving about wierdness in familiar objects, but if that's the case then they shouldn't be doing it when it's unecessary.

    Maybe, no, definately I'm a little too critical here, but I'm sure there's other people out there who are irritated when they can tell it's CGI. CG lets directors do basically anything, and it only looks a little off, but I'm still waiting for either myself to get used to it, the technology to get better, or the directors to get over the coolness and use it a little less liberally.

    Alright, I'm done, feel free to point out the errors of my angst.
  • by Dunkirk ( 238653 ) <david&davidkrider,com> on Monday January 27, 2003 @05:14AM (#5166181) Homepage
    Shouldn't there be something like a Godwin's Law for comments of this type? It just gets old.
  • by axxackall ( 579006 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @08:41AM (#5166672) Homepage Journal
    Since Sept/11 Bush administration repeats: "If you are not with us then you are against us!".

    So, if your country is not bombed yet - it's a matter of time and it will be. Just stay in the line and wait for your turn patiently.

    I wonder, will USA recycle already bombed countries to the far end of the evil axis or there is another rule how to treat them?

  • I am an American (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Zapdos ( 70654 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @09:22AM (#5166806)
    I have served in the armed forces. I fly a flag for July 4th. I love Mom's apple pie. My children are scouts.

    I do not enjoy football. I think your statement about patriotism is misplaced.

    Patriotism is voting not only on big election days, but on primarys as well.
    Patriotism is not littering.
    Patriotism is volunteering for Habitat for Humanity.

    Lots of things are patriotic, football is just a professional sport, like many other professional sports, It does not show Love of country; devotion to the welfare of one's country; the virtues and actions of a patriot; the passion which inspires one to serve one's country.

  • Re:Matrix Trailer (Score:2, Insightful)

    by infinitey ( 263683 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @02:00PM (#5168269)
    Thanks fenix down, that's exactly how I feel too. If a movie is an anime or cartoon, then I accept that it's gonna be all animation. If a movie is based in reality, I expect to be able to escape into it. With all this CGI, you can't escape into it because you know the scenes could never have happened in the first place. But today's generation just doesn't seem to give a fuck.

    Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks this. Hollywood has gone too fucking far. Less is more, dumbasses. Jurassic Park got it right, so did Forrest Gump and of course Blade Runner and Aliens. CGI complemented their stories. Now I'm looking at The Hulk teaser and it's been too fucked up by computers to enjoy. Bill Bixby is already rolling in his grave. George Lucas is the ultimate lazy filmmaker. Noone cares if you use state-of-the-art visual effects to make those shots! In five years, CGI may be advanced enough to convince an audience without a doubt that a generated object looks real. Then everyone will be laughing at your retarded Yoda fight.

    In a documentary on the making of Gangs of New York, Lucas said to Martin Scorcese on the set, "You know, you can generate all this with CG now." Thankfully Scorcese didn't agree with him.

    The Matrix teaser was great; the one they released in Japan was fantastic. This commercial killed my expectations by 3/4. The scene with an Agent crushing a car on a highway, that looked stupid and unbelievable even if the storyboard called for it. I can live with it as long as it's only one of a few.

    </rant>

    My hopes are down but I'll still see it anyway. :)
  • by dekraved ( 60562 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @05:42PM (#5169650) Homepage
    At least there is a growing sentiment against these things [kushaldave.com]. Most recently, FOX News [foxnews.com], AdAge [adage.com], and college papers [ucsdguardian.org] came to the rescue. What a waste of $4 million. One of the people in AdAge points out the irony of this running at the same time as so many pro-drinking ads.

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