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DVD: Degradable Versatile... 246

jomaree writes "The SMH online reports that some DVDs are starting to corrode or "rot". Although somewhere between 1 and 10 per cent of DVDs are affected, it seems the distributors don't want to know. One list of affected movie titles reveals what might be a sinister pattern emerging: "One DVD website lists 18 titles known to have at least one bad batch, among them Planet of the Apes (1968), Men in Black: Collectors Edition, Independence Day and the Alien Legacy box set." Or maybe the person compiling the list only buys sci-fi movies."
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  • Familiar? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Adolatra ( 557735 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @05:42AM (#5202702) Homepage
    Not to rain on the MPAA Conpiracy parade I'm sure we'll see from the usual suspects in a bit, but wasn't there a similar problem with early CDs?

    Or could this be "planned obsolescence," i.e., Sony's PlayStation2 hardware problems? (The PS2 breaks more often than the GC and XB combined, and usually Sony wants $100 just to look at it)

  • by Amsterdam Vallon ( 639622 ) <amsterdamvallon2003@yahoo.com> on Saturday February 01, 2003 @05:50AM (#5202721) Homepage
    Christ, you've posted every single story that's on the front page right now. You've been incessantly surfing through the queue submissions since 1pm yesterday.

    Take a break man -- you deserve it! ;-)

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  • by C_To ( 628122 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @05:57AM (#5202738)
    After 10 months of owning the Collectors Edition of this movie, I was annoyed to find that it, in fact was unplayable at all. After closer inspection, it looked like the center of the first disc had been cracked in several places, while other DVD discs that I have played (for longer periods too) have stayed in perfect shape. I never noticed this because, until they are being viewed, my movies stay in their respective containers. This is the primary reason why I often resort to DivX and shifting formats of video. Other movies, I find, are very sensitive to layer changes, and once again, when I play back a DivX copy off a CD, I don't experience such problems (except the lack of extra features I probably won't use).
  • dvd rot (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 01, 2003 @06:18AM (#5202777)
    Yes I saw this with CD's back in 1998. I saw cd's rot away from the inside. And I have always said dvds would suffer the same fate.
  • by The Tyro ( 247333 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @06:21AM (#5202782)
    Yeah, it's supposedly illegal, but why not archive your DVD's as DivX movies? Potential DVD damage seems like a pretty stinkin' good reason to me.

    DivX quality is pretty good, it's playable under linux (I like Mplayer, myself), and you don't have to worry about your DVDs getting scratched/broken/lost/stolen when they get handled.

    Nothing like having your entire DVD collection available on every computer in the house, served straight from your file server.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 01, 2003 @06:41AM (#5202809)
    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_328113.html?m enu=news.quirkies

    CD-eating fungus discovered

    A Spanish scientist has discovered a fungus which eats CDs.

    Geologist Victor Cardenes says he stumbled across the microscopic creature while visiting Belize.

    The discovery came after friends complained that one of their CDs had developed an odd discoloration that left parts of it virtually transparent.

    Using an electron microscope, Cardenes and colleagues at the Madrid-based Superior Council for Scientific Research later observed that fungi had burrowed into the CD from the outer edge.

    It had then devoured the thin aluminium reflecting layer and some of the data-storing polycarbonate resin.

    Cardenes said: "If you look at the CD from the shiny side, in the places where the fungus has been you can see all the way through to the painted surface on the other side.

    "It completely destroys the aluminium. It leaves nothing behind."

    Biologists at the council concluded that the fungus belonged to a common genus called Geotrichum but had never seen this particular species before.

    They add that, fortunately for Europeans, the fungus only survives in the sultry weather conditions that prevail in Belize.

    Story filed: 16:53 Friday 15th June 2001

  • by anubi ( 640541 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @07:03AM (#5202858) Journal
    sn0wcrash - you must have some experience to see this.

    I guess I was in my mid 30's when I started really noticing how much work it was to have to re-do things that I had done poorly the first time. I think the catch phrase went something like " If you can't find the time to do it right, you will make the time to do it over.".

    I have lived through galvanized pipe - I will never have it again. Do you know how much work it is to have to strip the plumbing infrastructure from a house to re-do it? I do. Copper went back in. I soldered it personally. Never again will I have anything to do with galvanized pipe where I can't get to it.

    I moved from another house because I discovered it had aluminum wiring.

    There are some things I have learned to very highly value, and thats the elegance of things made right. I have a toaster, made by Sunbeam Electric Company, that was given to my parents as a wedding gift. I am no spring chicken either, but I still use that toaster every morning. ( Well, maybe that's why Sunbeam is out of business, they never sold me another one? ), but I really like that toaster. I have one of the very first microwave ovens ever built. It was a prototype, or at least that was what was stamped on its innards. It still works.

    When I took my first job in a major oil refinery, I participated in, a huge effort to put all our plant drawings into a CAD system, then powered with DEC computers. I watched as the company then abandoned the computers, going to another system - but the data files were incompatible, so they had to do it all over. What a waste!!! I learned by observation how much effort could have been saved if there had been such a thing as a standard data file. I learned the value of things like simple ascii files and comma-delimited-format database files.

    Technology will change. Most of the time, its been for the better, but many of the "improvements" to me are of dubious real value. Is a 1GHz Pentium laptop, which goes through batteries at an astronomical pace really any better than that old Radio Shach model 100 computer which used to get hundreds of hours on a set of penlight cells, albeit it only had a simple text LCD screen? I have a little 386SX laptop I like because it gets around 40 hours on its battery if I use the backlight sparingly. The screen is a little crude for graphics, and admittedly its a bit slow if its a graphics intensive program, such as font mapping under Win 3.1.. but if I am doing text stuff, I drop to DOS anyway because the machine is hundreds of times faster than I am when its using its hardware mapped character generator. But I can have the machine on from the time I leave the house, through the airport, on the plane, through the taxi trip, onto the hotel, and still have the battery running. Maybe Ashton-Tate 1-2-3 is a little dated, but it works. Same with MathCad. And the Futurenet electronic schematic editor. And the Spice analyzer. And the PCB Layout program. And my Borland C++ compiler. And the file sizes are small. And the files were simpler then. Most of the time, even if something does happen, I can usually open the files with a hexadecimal editor and see what the problem is.

    I have really learned the value of trying to do things right the first time so you do not *have* to do it over ( usually at the most inconvient of times ). I like having the option of replacing something when *I* feel its warranted, not when someone else gets it into their head they want to commandeer me to do so.

    I have worked with enough businesses now that I can see the smart ones do this too. You will see the smart ones configuring things so they get their system in place, then start using that system to make money... not so smart businesses never get their system working, as parts of it are constantly failing and needing to be replaced... kinda like that guy who never figured out what kind of plumbing would run till the proverbial cows come home, and which one would necessitate a constant stream of work to keep it running. Yes, I know one has to know how to solder to install copper, but in the long term, doing it right the first time leaves you free to spend your remaining time doing what was really important, now that your infrastructure is stable.

    The best example I can think of for GOOD ENGINEERING is the old Romans. They built roads and water aqueducts which are even in use today. Its not like *everything* needs to last an eternity, but I consider it a really good investment if one designs the Important Stuff to last the proverbial eternity. That way its there until *you* decide to change it.

  • Get used to it... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Rxke ( 644923 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @07:10AM (#5202871) Homepage
    Studying for a masters degree in conservation and restauration of visual media, we've just hit the subject of digital conservation. guess what... 'It is recommended to make backups of DVD's every FIVE years, since the format cannot be considered stable for more than 10 years, even in ideal storage conditions' the cracking of the plastic layer is inherent to the prodduction proces, figure that! Seems that the alu/plastic bonds cause excessive strans because they have different expansion characteristics, so everytime they get a bit hotter/colder, the risk of cracking occurs. furthermore, some plants use 'glues' that affect the alu layer, so it starts corroding. kinda depressing all that...
  • by Esion Modnar ( 632431 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @07:31AM (#5202905)
    Is there anything in the works for use as a true archival media? I'm talking something with a shelf life of hundreds of years, or is that just sci-fi right now?

    On a kinda related notion, I remember reading an article in Analog sci-fi (maybe) about how you would leave a message for people 20-30,000 years from now. Such as to mark a storage site for nuclear waste. Not easy...

    Safe to say your DVD collection would be dust.
  • by Rxke ( 644923 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @07:51AM (#5202931) Homepage
    Hope you love spy movies... The best system for longer-lived archivation (and excuse me my Engrish, i'm from Belgium...) is actually something we all know from those russian mumbling, raincoat-wearing types: MICROFILM! Yeah, iknow...sounds funny, but seriously: a lot of musea et;c. are switching back to this old and trusted archival system. It's tried and tested, the information density is not that bad (compared to parchment, anyway,) storage, copying and retrieval is kinda straightforward, and thus relatively cheap, in comparison to digital storage, where you have not only to update your disks, tapes, what have you, but also your computers, readers,... at a very high pace (say ten years) Microfilms are guaranteed reliable for over 100 years, and can be combined with ocr (if you want to swap computers every ten years (sigh) Ok, it's far from ideal, and admittedly super-bulky, compared with DVD's and the like, but for valuable data, convenience has to make way for reliability.
  • by sawilson ( 317999 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @08:22AM (#5202974) Homepage
    R4

    10 Things I Hate About You
    101 Dalmations
    Abyss SE
    Alien Boxset
    Bad Boys - repressed
    Contact - repressed
    Gremlins
    Notorious
    Independence Day SE
    Hercules
    L.A Confidential - repressed
    Little Mermaid
    Men in Black CE
    Moonraker
    Planet of the Apes 1968
    Pinnochio
    Stuart Little
    Tarzan

    R1

    Antz
    Boogie Nights - first release
    Bone Collector
    Chicken Run
    Contact
    Dances With Wolves
    Galaxy Quest
    Devil's Advocate
    L.A Confidential
    The Negotiator
    Stuart Little
    T2:UE (Dual Sided Disc)
    War Games
  • by djupedal ( 584558 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @08:49AM (#5203016)
    You, like many others, have a dirty lens (laser). In most cases, a swipe with a lens cleaning disc will do the trick...in some cases, the unit will need to be opened, and the lens area dusted with compressed air..that stuff in the can. If your player lives in a dusty or smoke typical area, you might want to think about opening it twice a year and cleaning things out.

    I'd give this a shot before I started returning DVD's.
  • by NineNine ( 235196 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @09:23AM (#5203081)
    IF you think that life span of DVD's is short, what about hard drives? Hard drives are only *designed* to work for a year. I don't store anything critical on a hard drive without a CD backup.
  • by NineNine ( 235196 ) on Saturday February 01, 2003 @09:28AM (#5203088)
    No, Disney does it to jack up demand thus the price and sales of their movies. They've done it for many, many years with VHS tapes.

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