Soundless Music? 377
Julez writes "Hi, Found this on icLiverpool's site, thought you might find this interesting.... A bizarre experiment in soundless music has revealed how people's emotions are affected by noises they cannot hear..."
Experimental Noise Has Been Here Already (Score:5, Informative)
John Zorn experimented with high pitched frequencies outside of listeners' auditory range on Krystallnacht [amazon.com]. Track 2 has high pitched frequencies that coexist with the sound of breaking glass that cause feelings of anger, pain and nausea. The liner notes discourage repeated listening (I kid you not).
The Flaming Lips Did this on Zaireeka [amazon.com], their 4-CD (played simultaneously) experiment--wherein they used frequencies lower than the normal auditory range to create feelings of disorientation (funny since the Flaming Lips most pop-oriented songs can do this too).
I'm sure more examples can be found within the annals of experimental noise rock.
Sonny Bono strikes again (Score:3, Informative)
Cage's estate actually won a lawsuit [about.com] over the copyright on this work. Apparently, the estate now has a legal precedent on owning all musical works composed entirely of rests.
Sonny Bono is the personification of counter-productive copyright law.
Parallel walls? (Score:2, Informative)
Gakk... site is now
Re:Sonny Bono strikes again (Score:3, Informative)
If Mr. Bat had not explicitly given partial author's credit to Mr. Cage on the album the whole thing would likely never have come up in the first place.
What seems to have ticked off Cage's heirs is the implication that Mr. Bat and Mr. Cage had collaborated on the piece and was thus trading on his reputation without authority.
*Not* that he had simply recorded a silent piece.
KFG
Re:mp3 question (Score:4, Informative)
All mp3 encoders have a high and low pass filter to cut off frequencies outside the range of normal human ears. Even if you disabled this, you'd still need special 'low loudspeakers' that are capable of generating tones that low anyway. (most consumer subwoofers will do down to about 30hz)
So in other words, this won't be a new addition to your home theatre any time soon. (Although an 'emotion' woofer would be really cool on some movies ;) )
No, John Cage does (Score:3, Informative)
The Project's Website (Score:5, Informative)
Cathedrals and Nazi's use infrasound (Score:5, Informative)
dont beleive me? just do a google search for "cathedral infrasonic organ". Or check out this [borderlands.com] page which mentions the use by nazi's
the fact that the articel mentions none of this prior work sugests this is crap science.
Re:Overkill rulez (Score:1, Informative)
Long answer: It would take many different kinds of sensors and something to combine all of them together at the end to record something on that order. And lets not even talk about playing it back... sub, woofer, mid, and tweeter aren't going to cut it at all. Although... i wonder if you could take some sort of huge membrane with known resonances, (or several of them) and use incredibly accurate, high speed laser distancers to detect the vibrations going through it at millions of hertz. Even then, you would have problems sampling because you have to sample at twice the rate you want to reproduce at (That's old man Nyquest for you) and there simply aren't electronics that can process that in real time, digitally. But if you have to, it could be done. Your microphone would just be the size of a semi.
Re:Less sensational title:-Bend me,shape me. (Score:3, Informative)
George Washington University's National Security Archive [gwu.edu] has a playlist of what the psyops guys used to subdue Noriega here [gwu.edu]. See Pages 4 [gwu.edu], 5 [gwu.edu], and 6 [gwu.edu] specifically.
Re:Standing waves.. (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Cathedrals and Nazi's use infrasound (Score:4, Informative)
No, the fact that a highly summarized article on a news website doesn't mention prior work suggests it's crap reporting. If you read any scientific papers from these researchers and there's no prior recognition or control groups mentioned...THEN it's crap science. What you've done is like reading the Science News article on the human genome mapping project and crying foul.
(and they did mention prior work in church organs anyways, as I quote:
Infrasound has been used by organists in churches and cathedrals for at least 250 years to create grand, high-octane music.
Some scientists also claim it is the cause of the uneasy feelings and changes of emotion experienced in places believed to be haunted.)
Re:Sixth Column (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Binaural beats? (Score:2, Informative)
> the different ears (ie 300 hz into one ear, 304 into the
> other: your brain then entrains to a 4hz frequency)
Proximate, but no panatella.
It's not your brain that does that, it's an actual physical effect. The technical term is heterodyning and it takes place with things like radio waves as well as sound waves, so it can't be a "brain" thing.
If you mix a 100KHz radio signal with a 110KHz radio signal you will generate "beat" signals at plus-and-minus the difference, i.e. 90KHz and 120KHz. In fact that is the basis for many (all?) analog radio/tv/etc. receivers. The tuner uses an oscillator to generate an RF signal of a certain frequency, which beats with the off-air signal to produce a new signal at a specific frequency. The tuner then decodes the signal at the "intermediate frequency". Change the freqency of the RF oscillator and you change the off-air frequency which beats with it to produce the intermediate frequency. That way the tuner can be optimized to receive a single frequency, thereby simplifying the design.
Re:bingo details (Score:2, Informative)
The label on the disc is blue, and the imprint is "RCA Victor Bluebird". On the label, it says "sandy becker's bingo" and "this is a Secret Spiral Record (K1CP-5272). Engraved in the vinyl is "KICP-5272-25"