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MPAA, Microsoft Testify Piracy Funds Terrorism 858

GuyMannDude writes "[Yesterday's] Oversight Hearing on "International Copyright Piracy: Links to Organized Crime and Terrorism" featured the MPAA and Microsoft testifying that software and movie DVD counterfeiting is an acute problem, with criminal gangs operating factories in Russia, Malaysia and other countries that have weak copyright laws. They further claim that intellectual property piracy is a vehicle for financing or supporting acts of terror." There's another article about the hearing at Infoworld.
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MPAA, Microsoft Testify Piracy Funds Terrorism

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  • Okay... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 14, 2003 @10:16AM (#5510923)
    This was out of hand before, but now it's getting really out of hand.

    When most people say "what, do you want to support the terrorists?" they're joking.

    I think these two monopolists have just showed their true selves as far as I'm concerned.

    Anyone who can say something so ridiculous is a joke themselves.
  • RTFA (Score:3, Informative)

    by Christopher_G_Lewis ( 260977 ) on Friday March 14, 2003 @10:35AM (#5511104) Homepage
    I wish people would read the articles before summarizing them *incorrectly*.

    Yes, Microsoft & MPAA stated that pirating is rampant and bad.

    They did *NOT* state that pirating=terrorism. That statement was made only by the Justice Department (which is not necessarily better, IMHO, but significantly different to the slant that the article lends).

    From the article:
    John Malcolm, a Justice Department official who oversees the computer crime division, warned the panel about the connections between copyright piracy and terrorism.

    "Organized crime syndicates are frequently engaged in many types of illicit enterprises, including supporting terrorist activities," Malcolm said. "All components of the Justice Department...will do everything within their power to make sure that intellectual property piracy does not become a vehicle for financing or supporting acts of terror."
  • by Pxtl ( 151020 ) on Friday March 14, 2003 @11:03AM (#5511379) Homepage
    Actually, the Opium production in Afghanistan went _up_ after the americans saved it. Yes, there was a drug trade in Afghanistan at the time, but the Taliban was not responsible for it. Not that I'm defending them, I just think you should hate people for what they did, not what they didn't.
  • by Sam Lowry ( 254040 ) on Friday March 14, 2003 @11:06AM (#5511402)
    Here [pravda.ru] is an english version of a recent article in Pravda (influential russian newspaper) that uncovers where Microsoft donations were going for years.
  • by WNight ( 23683 ) on Friday March 14, 2003 @11:39AM (#5511647) Homepage
    Actually, that seems like a valid interpretation. It talks about killing infidels, infidels are non-believers or those who try to destroy islam. He sees the Americans as fitting this, so they're infidels, and thus need to be killed.
  • by Shabbs ( 11692 ) on Friday March 14, 2003 @11:41AM (#5511667)
    ...And occasionally British Columbia... And of course, you know you should fear those canucks.

    Apparently, it's more than just occasionally:

    From this [alternet.org] article:
    Here's what they are up against, according to the OCA: The province boasts 15,000 to 25,000 marijuana grow operations employing (at six persons per grow) between 90,000 and 150,000 people. The agency estimated the annual wholesale value of the pot crop at $4 billion. At $2,000 per pound, that is about two million pounds of BC bud each year, much of it headed south. The agency estimated that as much as 95 percent of the crop is exported to the ravenous U.S. market.

    BC sends more Bud to the US than it does Wood. Wow.

    Perhaps Marijuana is the answer to terrorism? Allowing everyone to see "clearly", thus allowing us to all get along. It's worth a shot eh?

    Cheers.
  • To be fair... (Score:5, Informative)

    by gilroy ( 155262 ) on Friday March 14, 2003 @11:46AM (#5511706) Homepage Journal
    ... it isn't clear that Microsoft or the MPAA made the terrorism charge. From the article,

    John Malcolm, a Justice Department official who oversees the computer crime division, warned the panel about the connections between copyright piracy and terrorism.

    For now, at least, the corporations are not exactly synonymous with the government.... even if they do pull the strings.
  • by bheerssen ( 534014 ) <bheerssen@gmail.com> on Friday March 14, 2003 @11:47AM (#5511711)
    Well, the Taliban made a lot of the money that kept them in power in Afghanistan by growing and selling opium ...

    Uh.. The Taliban had very strict laws against opium production. In fact, poppy cultivation has increased by 95% [bbc.co.uk] in Afganistan since the Taliban were removed. While I have no sympathy for the Taliban (certainly a brutally repressive regime), U.S. claims that they used opium production to finance terrorism seem specious to say the least. If there were terrorist groups making money by growing opium in Afganistan, they were most probably doing so without Taliban approval.

  • Re:We can laugh... (Score:5, Informative)

    by scenic ( 4226 ) <sujal@s u j a l .net> on Friday March 14, 2003 @02:02PM (#5513005) Homepage Journal
    While I want to agree with your point, be careful with your facts. 299 people have been put to death in Texas since 1982 when capital punishment was reinstated [state.tx.us]. Your statment
    Where, in the month of March, nearly 300 men have been put to death in Texas alone.
    is misleading no matter how I read it. Also, you're omitting certain facts about the three men who were arrested... for example facts about the charitable group they were donating to and the specific donations they had.

    Your most cogent point is the last one you made... a war will simply continue the cycle of hate that has prospered in these times. In fact, my main concern is that no comprehensive plan and, more importantly in today's world, no long-term money has been committed to the rebuilding of Iraq and Afghanistan. If we drop that ball, so to speak, we're going to just create more hate and more terrorists.

    Sujal

  • Re:We can laugh... (Score:3, Informative)

    by bel_slashdot ( 659185 ) on Friday March 14, 2003 @05:11PM (#5514731)
    How is this any different from America? Where, in the month of March, nearly 300 men have been put to death in Texas alone.
    In point of fact, only 300 people have been executed in TOTAL since the death penalty was reinstated in Texas, not just in the month of March.

    Here [abolition.org] is a story from back in January predicting the 300th execution in Texas. I recently saw on the local news in Houston that they just now executed the 300th inmate.

    Belgarion
  • Re:We can laugh... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Yet Another Smith ( 42377 ) on Friday March 14, 2003 @06:11PM (#5515285)
    which stated that, the US tricked Iraq into attacking Kuwait in 1990, claiming "There are no defences in Kuwait".

    Wow, that really is a stretch. Iraq, despite having a great deal of national income from oil revenue, ran up massive debts during the Iran-Iraq war. Their greatest source of extra funding during that time was loans from the other rich Arab countries (remember that Iran is not an Arab country, but instead a Persian country, so it was easy for the other Arabs to take Iraq's side). Chief among these creditors was Kuwait. Upon the end of the Iran-Iraq war, Kuwait began agitating for Iraq to begin repaying those debts. This pretty much soured relations between Iraq and Kuwait, and Saddam, being the model of restraint that he is, decided that it was simpler to take Kuwait and make it an Iraqi province than to pay back the loans. The fact that he could then control the single larges oil supply in the world (Iraqi reserves + Kuwaiti reserves > Saudi reserves) was just icing on that cake.

    Its pretty easy to keep following a train of responsibility until you get to a villain that suits you. The US gets a lot of crap that way, although most of our current entanglements we could easily blame on France and Great Britain and their respective colonial influences (almost all of the Middle East, Pakistan/India, and Vietnam are all directly attributable to either France or Great Britain, and what wasn't associated with those two was touched by Russia and China during the Cold War).

    This is the same tactic being used by the MPAA/RIAA/BSA and the drug-war/abolition movements to blame all terrorism on counterfeiters and casual pot smokers. Its all bogus. I want to blame all terrorism on people who drive SUVs, and there are good arguments to support that theory. But to discount all the other myriad funding methods they have is just political opportunism. As of course, is asserting that 'All instability in the word is the US.'
  • by bmajik ( 96670 ) <matt@mattevans.org> on Friday March 14, 2003 @07:26PM (#5515853) Homepage Journal
    because i had normal mod points when i saw this, but unfortuneately the story submitter is an IDIOT, and michael is also an IDIOT, and many of the people posting responses haven't read ANYTHING related to the article except the posted blurb by the first IDIOT, and thus look like IDIOTS themselves.

    The slashdot submissions clearly says that microsoft and the MPAA are both testifying that piracy supports terrorism.

    "[Yesterday's] Oversight Hearing on "International Copyright Piracy: Links to Organized Crime and Terrorism" featured the MPAA and Microsoft testifying that software and movie DVD counterfeiting is an acute problem, with criminal gangs operating factories in Russia, Malaysia and other countries that have weak copyright laws. They further claim that intellectual property piracy is a vehicle for financing or supporting acts of terror."

    BULLSHIT

    http://www.house.gov/judiciary/lamagna031303.pdf

    Here is the exact testimony of the microsoft lawyer. Terrorism is not mentioned a single time.

    Microsoft's only contention here is that the majority of large scale piracy is done by very well funded operations with links to organized crime, primarily backed by and operating in countries with less strict or non-existant IP laws. It then goes on to say that much of the profit (and its nearly ALL profit) of these operations goes to funding other activity within those crime organizations, some of which is violent crime. There is PROOF of this cited in the comments. The only part of it that is conjecture is the estimated revenue and job losses due to piracy, the arguments against which are well known and do not need to be repeated here.

    Nowhere in the microsoft testimony, nor in the ZDNET article is there any link between MS testimony and terrorism _at all_. Nowhere is MS claiming that piracy causes terrorism. Nowhere is there anything to indicate that MS and the MPAA are best friends in crushing your inner child.

    This website might as well change its name to "microsoft_enquierer" or "microsoftdailysun" or some similar such tabloid name.

    Oh wait! we already have theregister (which nearly every MS related article on slashdot invariably links to as an authoritative or credible source of "journalism")

    If slashdot is going to try and act as a political or any other kind of entity, stick to the facts, clearly differentiate conjecture from reality, and at least make a half hearted attempt at being accurate.

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